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(00:49) The content of this podcast [music] is forformational purposes only. The content is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. What if [music] that quick Botox touch-up you get before a vacation could leave you struggling to see, swallow, or even move normally? That sounds terrifying, but it actually happened to a 45-year-old California woman who simply wanted a [music] Botox touch-up before a trip.
(01:18) She later developed blurred vision, difficulty swallowing, dry mouth, extreme fatigue, [music] and muscle weakness, and ended up hospitalized for 7 days. And here's why we're [music] talking about this today. Botox and other neuromodulator injections are incredibly popular. In [music] 2025, nearly 10 million treatments were performed in the US.
(01:41) The global botulinum toxin market is projected to [music] grow to 10.6 6 billion by 2030 and the [music] value is expected to expand to 27.2 billion globally by 2034. But popular doesn't mean risk-free. The FDA approved Botox label carries a black box warning. The FDA's strongest safety warning because the effects of the toxin [music] can spread beyond where it was injected.
(02:09) Symptoms can include generalized muscle weakness, double vision, drooping eyelids, difficulty speaking or swallowing, and breathing problems. In severe cases, those [music] breathing and swallowing complications can be lifethreatening. So, today on Healthy Home Hacks, we're going beyond the beauty trend to talk about what Botox [music] actually does, the potential risks and side effects, what the FDA blackbox warning really means, and the questions you should ask [music] before putting a neurotoxin into your body.
(02:42) >> Because looking younger shouldn't come at the expense of harming your health. >> This is Healthy Home Hacks with Ron and Lisa. Let's get into it. Okay, our guest today is Sarah Daniel, and she's a curve model, a content creator, and a small business owner. >> Like many women, Sarah viewed Botox as [music] a routine cosmetic treatment and never imagined that an appointment intended to help her feel her best [music] would be followed by a frightening neurological symptoms and ultimately a 7 [music] hospitalization. Her experience changed
(03:15) the way she looks at cosmetic treatments, [music] informed consent, and the conversations we have around beauty and aging. Sarah is here to share her story in hopes of encouraging others to ask questions, [music] understand potential risks, and advocate for themselves when something doesn't feel right.
(03:33) Without further ado, welcome to the show, Sarah. Yes. >> Hi. Thank you guys for having me. >> Hello, Sarah. And thank you. Thank you for being with us today. This is incredibly important. Anyone listening, if you've ever had a Botox treatment or have considered it, do not hang up. Do not turn off. Stay till the end cuz we got a really juicy show for you today.
(03:55) And Sarah, we are thrilled to have you with us. So, to start, I want you to tell us what happened on that dreaded day as you were getting what you thought was a simple and safe glow up for your upcoming girls trip. >> Okay. Yeah. Well, so I went to a med spa and a nurse helped me out and I signed the forms of consent and everything and I'm kind of a nervous Nelly and so again I said, "This is safe, right?" And she's like, "Oh yeah, maybe you'll have a little headache after, but you know, nothing to worry about. It's perfectly
(04:27) safe. Nothing's ever happened to anyone." And I was like, "Okay, I just need a little peace of mind." So we discussed what I wanted done. I wanted some Botox in my forehead. I was going on a girls trip to Nashville. Tons of beautiful young women in Nashville. As you get into your 40s, you worry about staying youthful.
(04:45) So, I wanted to just get a little little make me awake Botox. And I had said I had gotten it done a couple of times before in my life and never really had any issues. I didn't really attribute any symptoms afterwards, but now that I know what I know now, I may have had symptoms before.
(05:04) But we talked about how many units. I said, "I never had gotten any more than 40. I just want my forehead done. I don't even really want my crows feet because I had had it done before and it made me puffy and I didn't want that look." She says, "Okay." So, we had discussed 40 units particularly. She started >> for all of your face though, right? 40 units for your entire face.
(05:23) >> No, for my forehead. And just for >> and I didn't realize at the time that's kind of a lot for just your forehead. >> Yeah. I actually was researching the show and that's what Botox people say that is standard actually. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So that's crazy, right? It's a lot. I agree with you. It's a lot.
(05:39) But that's what they consider the amount to do your forehead lines. So go ahead. Yeah. >> So we discussed 40. She gets going. It starts hurting like crazy. And I'm like, "God, this is really hurting this time. Why is it hurting me so bad?" And I kind of said something. She was like, "Oh, it's normal." And I said, "Okay.
(05:58) " So she hurt. What do you mean? Was it like in Did it feel inflamed or what was the pain? >> It felt very painful, very sensitive. And I just thought, "Oh, maybe I'm hormonal. Maybe it's my fault." Maybe >> cuz it wouldn't Yeah, it would normally cuz I've had it done. >> Feel good. >> It feels like a little prick.
(06:13) The needles are really small, so it would be like what you would expect normally, right? >> Exactly. And it hurt. It hurt more. She got done. She hands me the mirror. I look at my forehead, and I had bumps all over my forehead. And I had gotten it done before, like I had said, and I'd never had bumps before, but people also say that that can be normal.
(06:31) I asked her, she said, "Nope, that's normal. It'll go away." I said, "Okay, fine." And so I I'm getting up and I need to, you know, pay. And I said, "Okay, so how many units did you end up giving me?" And I'm thinking she's going to say 30 to 40. And she goes, "Oh, 65." >> 65. Yeah. And I I said 65. What? Why? And she said, [gasps] "Well, I did the gloella and then I forget all the muscle muscle names.
(06:57) " >> Gabella is the little line. They call them the 11s right between your eyes. >> Yes. And then up here and she I did a little back here and then I had five extra units and it was going to go bad so I just gave it to you. >> Wow. >> And I thought maybe I would have liked it elsewhere. That's a lot in my forehead. So I pay her.
(07:17) I I leave and I call my best friend and I said just out of the blue I said that's either going to be really great or it's going to be really bad. And she goes, "Why?" I said, "I don't know. I just have a weird feeling and like I have these bumps on my forehead that I've never had before. This just doesn't feel like it's ever felt.
(07:34) " >> Women's intuition knew, right? No, we do know. Our little gut whisper will tell us and sometimes we just ignore it. >> Yeah. Because we >> Yeah. Oh my gosh. So, was this the first time you went to this particular nurse or >> It is. It is. Yeah. It's actually >> kind of a sad story. It's somebody that I know personally actually that injected me and >> she's she's a certified nurse and I know her and she just started practicing and I wanted to support a womanowned business, >> someone I know.
(08:04) And yeah, >> I I'm really bothered about the whole thing obviously, but the I had extra stuff and it was going to go bad, which really turn translates to you're going to pay me more money. >> Well, it wasn't like I'm going to give it to you free. Oh, your bill is going to be higher, too. >> And then she ignored your your request to not do that area.
(08:25) The sides and the in between. So, so then what happened is harrowing. Okay. So, you had pain. I you know the bumps you discussed I have I've had those. I don't do Botox anymore. Listeners don't worry but when I did I had the bumps too and you're like >> that doesn't seem like a good sign if my body is obviously rejecting this cuz it is bachelinum toxin the active ingredient in Botox is considered one of the most poisonous substances known.
(08:49) But they tell you it's purified it's diluted and it is. But you're also injecting one of the most poisonous substances into your body and thinking that your body isn't going to react. Okay. So, what happens next? So, you get home. >> I get home. I'm kind of feeling all right. No, no major issues. And then about two days later, I just start having these really itchy itchy itchy eyes.
(09:14) My eyes are like the worst allergies I've ever had. I go to sleep. I wake up. My eyes are weeping. I'm like, "This is this is really strange." I start having this phantom like hair feeling on my forehead. Like a hair is gracing my forehead. My saliva glands stop working about about four days in. I start waking up in the middle of the night like >> So was that you can't taste anything or what? What do you mean? >> No, like dry mouth like severe dry mouth.
(09:41) So I would wake up every 45 minutes like having to drink water because my mouth just wasn't producing. And then around day like seven, I started noticing I can't really swallow all the way. I I started eating and I was like, if I don't have water next to me, I'm gonna severely choke. This something's not right. And then my forehead fell. My forehead.
(10:04) Oh. Oh, and initially Botox doesn't kick in for 7 to 10 days or 7 to two weeks. >> It's a great point because they always tell you, "Oh, you won't see results right away." And you don't. >> Two days, no movement. No, no, nothing. I was like frozen. >> Are you serious? >> Crazy. Yeah. So, >> and when you say when you say your forehead fell like atrophy, so it was like derpy droopy.
(10:25) >> Yeah. My eyes started falling and you can go back on some of my social media posts cuz I kind of started to log cuz I'm like this is scary. I don't like this. This is not right. And I'm going to talk about it. So, my eyes were heavy, bright red, and they're still weeping. It was like atrophy. My temporal loes eventually sunk and they still are sunk.
(10:44) It's just [laughter] it's a total mess and something that I never really thought would happen. And so I just progressively it it basically took a hold of my nervous system and slowed my entire nervous system down. So I I was hard for me to chew my food so I could barely eat. My heart would race race race.
(11:05) It would never rest even at resting. I have an aura ring that I wear that tracks my sleep and all that and my heart I could never get to the healing point because my body was just in fight or flight and freaking out. I had to call from my mom. She lives out of state. I said, "Mom, I can't function. I can't run my business. I'm a very independent person.
(11:24) I could not get off of my couch. I own a dog walking business. I walk every day >> on top of being a curve model. It's like I'm a busy lady and I just it was I was completely incapacitated. So from there I I started having so these symptoms that were coming were very much stroke like. So I called the injector and I was like I I'm not okay.
(11:46) And she immediately gaslit me and said well it you must be prone to migration. It must be your fault. >> That's what they do. >> And I was like well I've had it in the past a few times. It's not a ton of times, but enough to know that that's never happened to me before. And what is this migration you're telling me about now that you didn't tell me before? And then I started asking for the lot number and stuff cuz I started freaking out because I went to the emergency room. They gas lit me there.
(12:14) They told me that it didn't exist and they just told me Botox poisoning isn't a real thing. >> Whoa. >> And yet and yet bachelinism is. >> That is the That is the medical term. [laughter] >> It's like a very real thing. Yeah. and and they and they should know that. I also was not made aware that there's an antitoxin that the CDC can give you.
(12:33) I did not know that in the beginning. If I had known that, I would have advocated for myself. And what I've learned so much along the way is that you have to advocate for yourself if something is wrong because no one else is doing it for you. >> Yeah. Not to interrupt that there was another there's a there's a documentary on Botox.
(12:50) I forget the name of it, but I watched it. I don't know if you saw it and it's >> it's six girls that come and tell their story very similar to yours >> and none of them were given the toxin, the antitoxin or antitoxin and and one girl asked for it and they didn't give it to her. So, I don't know what that's all about.
(13:06) If it's available and you're willing to pay for it, >> why won't they give it to you? >> Maybe then they would have to report that this is actually happening. I don't know. >> Oh, they'd be liable, right? >> Oh, there you go. But I mean, the CDC does have it and it's available, but all of the people that I've connected with in this journey is basically like you have to be on your death deathbed in order for them to give it to you.
(13:24) >> Unbelievable. >> It's wild. [clears throat] >> That's wild. >> So, I'm still talking my symptoms. Sorry. [laughter] >> Oh, please. Please take your time. Take your time. >> Oh, my speech got my speech was slurred at the time. So, I finally made a call to my doctor. She said, "You have to go immediately to the emergency room.
(13:39) It sounds like you're having a stroke." And I I knew I'd had these symptoms for days. I had felt drugged. I was like lethargic, could barely speak, I couldn't swallow. But it had gone on for days and if it had been a stroke, I would have probably been dead by then. So, I knew that this was related because I had been doing my own research.
(13:53) I went to the doctors. I told them what had happened and they were just like, well, just lay off the Botox and and literally like it's a little too late. [laughter] >> Literally sent me home and I'm just like, what am I supposed to do? I have I'm sicker than I've ever been. So then it started to slow my digestive tract, slowed my intestines down and I was not able to produce the bowel movement for seven days and then I got this really weird sensation where my hands started itching. My palm started itching.
(14:22) I broke out in hives my entire body. I started vomiting just like having this horrible episode. My best friend took me to the emergency room again and I told them again, "Can I please speak to a neurologist? Can I talk to somebody else?" and they just put me off. They gave me a bag of IV fluids. They gave me some Zopran, which is the anti-nausea, sent me home. My mom arrived.
(14:45) My mom arrived that night. She came straight to the hospital. And so my mom was with me for about two about 17 days. And I just continued to have these digestive issues, but I was pretty okay. And then my mom left and went home. And then on June 26th, I had this major episode where it's called a schemic colitis, which is like a heart attack of your intestines.
(15:09) The blood stops flowing to your intestines. I passed out, fell on my floor. By the time the ambulance got to me, I had no pulse. They couldn't find my pulse. >> Wow. >> My If my best friend hadn't been there, I don't want to think about what would have happened to me. >> She was there when that happened. >> Yeah. Yeah, it was there.
(15:24) We had eaten dinner together. I couldn't I can't do anything. And so she's like, "I'll just come over and watch a movie together." We had dinner. Thank God. >> Yeah. And my body just wasn't working how it's supposed to cuz everything is slowed. Nothing's working properly. >> And it's paraly like when you think of it in the what it does.
(15:41) It paralyzes your muscles. >> So if it gets into your nervous system and spreads, it's going to paralyze I'm guessing anything that comes into it. Right. >> Exactly. And at that point, I think my body was just like, "Get this out of her system." So my body just freaked out. And then I spent seven nights [clears throat] in the hospital and they it was crazy even there the one of the doctors they couldn't figure out what was wrong and I had kept telling them they're like well it's a footnote this Botox thing is a footnote and I'm just
(16:08) like can somebody please take me seriously cuz I'm reading these other women's stories every day but they're like this happened to me like all of those things have happened to me like why >> wasn't it obvious because didn't your forehead drop down I mean can't >> that's a side effect they'll tell you oh your eyelid but droopy why weren't connecting those dots.
(16:26) I mean, there are some physical obvious, you know, connections to that as well. >> I don't know. Maybe because my doctor's office, the doctor that I forget the umbrella that it's under, they also give Botox. I don't know. >> Some people do need it for medical reasons, right? And it's risk versus reward.
(16:46) I just think more people need to know there's huge risk associated with it. >> Huge risk. Yeah. And I had never read the blackbox warning, which I mean, hindsight, >> nobody does. And the reason is because you're never shown the box. Okay? So, as a patient, when you go in, >> you you see a vial. You don't see the box.
(17:06) And so, that's intentional, I believe, because why isn't the box ever in the room? It's not. They don't show it to you. And when you sign the consent forms, I mean, they're like long and it's tiny print. You're signing it. And I don't know if the blackbox warning is in there in fine print. I've never seen it.
(17:21) And then the gaslighting, it'll be like, "Oh, you might get a headache for a day. You might have droopy lids. That'll correct itself or come back in and we'll correct it." So, the gaslighting is very, very, very real. >> It is. And it's very upsetting. And I spent seven nights in the hospital and they sent me home with some anti-anxiety medication and wow, >> Zopran again and just said, "Take it easy.
(17:46) " >> Oh my. I ended up going to a gastroenterologist and I have to see him again in 6 months. But it's like there's poison coursing through my body and I do feel fortunate because I am one of the luckier ones because the people that I've spoken to usually 7 8 months a year is when they start feeling better.
(18:07) And I'm about five. Yeah. >> I mean there's people that are like two and a half years that still have symptoms. And I still have fatigue. My energy level is still very low. So, I used to do an evening walk that would take me like 22 minutes. It takes me about 30 minutes now. So, my body is still the nerves are still connecting and trying to figure itself out, but I don't know what the my long-term results of this are going to look like, and I'm doing my best to stay positive.
(18:34) But it was at one point in the hospital, I I said to my best friends, I think I'm dying, you guys. >> I was going to say it's absolutely >> I mean, it was it was awful. >> I'm sure. >> And and my friends are like, you're not going to die, Sarah. you're so healthy. And I'm like, but look at me right now. I'm not this something like and they were so great and so supportive.
(18:52) But man, I mean, if I had heard a story like mine prior to I would have never I would have never done it. >> That's what made me stop actually cuz I used to do it. I mean, the pressure to be wrinkle-free and look your best is real. We all know it. There's nothing wrong with that. We all want to look our best. >> Mhm. But we aren't told.
(19:14) We It is so downplayed that we aren't told. And I think everybody would second guess their decision if they understood, hey, listen to these people's stories. This is real. This is what happened to these people. And yeah, it still might be rare, but it could happen. And if you knew that going in, you might go, "H, are my wrinkles really that bad?" >> Right? What am I doing? Why am I injecting the world's worst toxin into my forehead so I can have a brighter, you know, look to my [laughter] eyes for 3 months? That when you say it out loud,
(19:43) it kind of sounds insane. >> Oh, I know. And but we all fell prey to it because it's pushed like candy. And like you said, even your doctor's office gives it. >> It's given out at every med spa and doctor's office and and nurses. I I think you legally have to at least be a nurse, but we know there's people administering it that aren't even nurses.
(20:05) And that is something that I also want to mention is that >> if you think you're getting a deal on your Botox, you're probably not getting Botox. There's lots of black market stuff that is out there right now. >> And honestly, I went in and said Botox on the list, but I don't know that I believe that I received Botox. >> That was that was a big question I had for you because Okay, so I found you listeners.
(20:29) I found Sarah because a Newsweek article came out about her story and I have to say the article was great that they posted it and the the title is girl goes in for a glow up and has Botox poisoning or injury or whatever. But as you're going through it, your story that you just shared now is so much more crazy and in-depth than what that article said.
(20:49) I think it said you had swelling and nausea and it listed a couple things. It it did say you were in the hospital for 7 days, but it didn't get into the gastrointestinal issues and the so it did you feel like that article was a little light? >> I think so. But I was just happy that >> the Newsweek is a huge people read it and it's bringing attention to it.
(21:10) >> Yes, it did. >> And then people can look at my social media to to hear the chronological of what was going on to get more. But it is really interesting the comments people leave about what I went through and how I'm like, "This is not true. You're lying. What do I have to gain by telling my story about something terrible that happened to me?" >> People say that. Oh my god.
(21:30) [laughter] >> Oh, social media. Still, social media is a wild place. >> Oh my god. >> It probably was a bot anyway. Probably >> got to be aware of the bots. >> You got to have thick skin, I guess. But I have had a lot of people say, "Thank you so much for telling your story because I'm thinking twice about it." Or, "I haven't gotten injected.
(21:49) " I have a lot of clients that they all get it and they're like, "I just want you to know I haven't been injected since this happened to you." And that's amazing. I've always wanted to make a difference and I didn't think it'd be like this. >> Our pain can sometimes become our path, right? Yeah.
(22:03) Well, you're really really brave because social media can be mean like you said and you are helping people even if you helped one person to stop going through what you did. >> Whatever happened with the girls trip? Did the girls still go? Did they >> The girls still went and they're so sweet. I got a lot of FaceTimes of them having the time of their lives.
(22:19) >> But I did not go. I did not go. I was at home with my mom cuz I I needed my mommy. I couldn't do anything. I was a blessing for her for sure. And did you call the nurse back and say, "Can you tell me if that was Botox brand?" The Botox brand. >> I will talk about it. But the thing is is I also because of all the research I've done, I don't want to discount people thinking that well, she didn't get Botox so that's not it.
(22:46) Because there's so many people that have gotten it's neurotoxins in your face, in your body. It doesn't matter. It's disport, Botox, whatever. >> Daxifi. Exactly. So, I don't know how you guys want me to approach or answer because I don't want to take away from the point of this being so dangerous. >> Well, that is the perfect answer because I thought that too.
(23:08) If if you come if you find out it wasn't Botox and the people are going to go, "Oh, she didn't have the name brand." >> Okay. Well, Juvo, Dexifi, Dysport, Zemen, they're all name brands. They're just not as common because it's kind of like Pepsi. Everybody think a Coke Pepsi or whatever. Everyone calls it Botox, but there's definitely >> I I do not know what I received because once I said, "I need the lot number.
(23:29) I need the name of a pharmacy you got this from." She ghosted me and blocked me on everything. >> She did. She That's your legal right to get that information. >> It is. >> Do you have a lawyer? >> I spoke to one and he said basically this isn't going to make him enough money. [laughter] >> Really? You're going up against one of the healthiest industries. Yeah.
(23:53) Cuz their lawyers are >> Yeah. And the thing is is I don't >> I'll probably need to get my eye fixed at some point or I'll just deal with it. But I don't want money. I just don't want this to happen to somebody ever again. That's >> And I wasn't Yeah. I wasn't thinking for the money either. I just thought you have rights.
(24:08) >> Your medical rights that you're sovereign. You You if you paid for something, they need to tell you what they gave you. >> They do. And she didn't. And she just disappeared. And it's really sad and ugly that somebody would do that, especially somebody that knows me personally. [laughter] >> That's horrible.
(24:25) Talk about gaslighting on steroids, right? >> Uhhuh. >> Oh my gosh, your story is Okay, so when I watched Well, there's a there's an Instagram account called Never Talks and I'm going to shout them out because they're really great. I think they have a private Facebook group of injured people and I want to say it's 35,000 members or something.
(24:41) >> There's a lot of us. I I have a very hard time with that because it's so sad. >> It's so sad. And when you're in the middle of it thinking this is not good and you're reading people's stories and it's three years later and they're still sick and it's like this is never going to get better and why are we not told that? And there's there's there's a girl she was her husband actually is a doctor.
(25:02) I don't know if you know this girl and same thing and actually she got a very tiny amount of Botox. That's the other thing I'm sure you want listeners to know is it's not just which brand name and it's actually not which amount and they'll tell you that. They'll go, "Oh, you're not going to have a problem if you go to a licensed professional.
(25:20) You're not going to have a problem if you use a brand name and you're not going to have a problem with little amounts." That's completely not true. Some of these people had very small amount. One girl was 20 units >> here. I forget what that's called when they do it. Massi for headache, for migraines.
(25:38) her she was she was kind of in the medical industry and her husband's a doctor and this happened to her and she was on a she was on a feeding tube. >> She was on a feeding tube. So, and >> I actually think that's that I know who you're talking about and I think she only had 12 units. >> 12 and she wound up on a feeding tube and she got it from a neurologist.
(25:57) >> A neurologist? Yeah. Okay. So that sends chills down my spine because 12 units is tiny in the Botox world. And you would think her husband's a doctor and that couldn't have happened. She's the one I think that didn't get the antitoxin as well. And it's bizarre. It's really creepy. >> It is. That's crazy. >> Let's hope this episode does not get taken down.
(26:18) [laughter] >> Sarah, did you ever did you ever take an antitoxin even though it was late? >> No. To me. I tried. You have to get it within the first 3 to four weeks. Um 3 to four weeks. Is it that long? Okay. I thought it was within hours. Okay. >> Oh, no. I Well, I think it's recommended for 2 weeks, but I think basically it's courarssing through your system, so it won't reverse any symptoms you've have developed, but it will prevent >> other symptoms.
(26:44) >> That would have helped because you weren't having the gastrointestinal issues, right? Correct. >> Oh, and that >> and that's what landed me in the hospital. >> And you're still dealing with that? >> Yeah. I actually had a relapse about 3 weeks ago and it was scary and I was like laying on my bed thinking, "Oh my god, am I going back to the hospital again?" And am I going 10 steps backwards and I recovered? I've had to be very careful.
(27:07) I don't drink any alcohol anymore. I don't drink any caffeine. I drink actually I drink one cup of tea a day and I really try and limit my sugar. Just be really careful about what I put in my system because anything that is not good for us can trigger a relapse. Is there any kind of detox that you can do that would help? >> So, they recommend celery juice and charcoal.
(27:29) That's one of the things, but charcoal slows down your digestion and so I cannot take that. >> I wondered about that. Yeah. >> And I thought someone told me charcoal is more attacks what's in your gut. So the Botox it got into your bloodstream or your >> and then you can do liver detox type of things, but I took some supplements right after and that's right when I had that episode where my palm started itching and I think it was just I was overloaded.
(27:55) My my system just couldn't take anything else. So I just kind of had to just drink a ton of water and hydration and just try to flush what I could out. But >> oh my god, I'm so sorry that you went through that. That is absolutely so terrifying. So terrifying and so scary. And I can't even imag I can't even imagine cuz it's when you as a girl go in to get it, they're like, "Oh yeah, the results will last 3 to 4 months.
(28:18) " So I think that's what you're dealing with is like how is it going to leave your body when they tell you it won't leave your body, right? It won't leave your body for 3 to 4 months. And I call it the slave system to Botox because even if you get it and you don't have a problem and you're looking great and you're loving the results, you got to get it again in 3 to 4 months.
(28:34) It's all gone. And at the end of the show, I do want to talk about some natural alternatives, but Ron, did you have a question? >> Well, I I mean, one of my questions was I think I already know the answer is obviously you wouldn't do this treatment again or you'd highly recommend against it, but I was I was going to get into fillers and ask about that if you ever did fillers before and what your thoughts were on that, but maybe that's not really a good segment to go to at the >> I mean, you can't I know I've never had
(28:56) fillers. The only thing I ever did was Botox, [snorts] but those are also super dangerous. I mean, I've connected. I mean, this kind of the same genre. Everyone's kind of connected that has been poisoned by it. And people have gotten really sick by fillers as well. >> Yeah.
(29:11) There was a recent It was an Estee Lauder exec that just died. I think it's called a vascular occlusion if I'm saying that right where if the filler goes into a blood vessel, I I'm not 100 I think I'm saying that right. And he actually he died. He actually died. He was a It was It was all over the news. >> So, and I know fillers are totally different.
(29:32) their hyalonic acid synthetic or cross cross- linked hyaluronic acid. It's not a poison poison. We did a great interview with a doctor recently and he he was talking about you're taking a risk with anything, right? Any anything foreign that you put in your body, the healthier you are, he he said the better chance, not not saying you weren't healthy.
(29:53) I mean, by healthy, are your detox pathways open? Did you get a smaller amount? You know what I mean? anyone can get poisoned at any time. But he was like, "It's a risk." And you, he goes, "I'm not telling people not to do it, but just be aware." Informed consent. Isn't that what we all are supposed to actually have legally? >> Yes, we are.
(30:09) >> Informed consent. So, I had I was with a and she's a doctor. She's actually a boardcertified doctor. I'm not going to say who she is cuz she's kind of wellknown. And she goes, "Oh, you need Botox." And I said, "Yeah, I'm not doing Botox anymore." and she looked like she was about to fall off her chair and she goes, "What? Why?" And I didn't want to get into it.
(30:29) I just said, "Oh, I'm just doing a detox. I don't want I don't want that in my body." And she was kind of like really shocked, like no one ever says that to her. And I said, "Well, I know that that it can spread from the area." And she looked me straight in the eye. She goes, "No, it doesn't." >> And and I know the blackbox warning that the FDA, we said at the top of the show, it's the strongest warning that the FDA gives is the blackbox warning.
(30:52) What if you had been told, "Hey, hey, Sarah, did you know there's a blackbox warning? Do you still want me to proceed with the 60 units?" You would have said, "No." >> I would have said, "I'm sorry. Can I look at it?" >> And another thing, too, I mean, I feel like this should be mentioned is that it's marketed to 21year-olds as preventative treatment.
(31:12) >> Oh, start it now so you'll never have a wrinkle on your face. >> 100%. And it's I don't know. We're a little out of hand, I believe, >> for sure. It's it's it's almost like crazy land. And this is a little off topic, but kind of similar. I mean, the big beauty trend a few hundred years ago was actually taking a tapeworm in your mouth so you can become thin, right? >> In the Victorian era.
(31:32) >> In the Victorian era. So, it kind of reminds me crazy land repeating again. This is our modern day crazy land, right? So, at no time for beauty can be very dangerous, right? >> And I mean, I work in the modeling industry when it's this it is. >> Do you feel pressured in your industry to get Botox? >> No.
(31:52) Nobody at this point has pressured me, but you want to look young. You want to compete. You want to you want to look good. So, >> and you see everybody else doing it and then you're like, >> "Well, yeah. I mean, I I work with 28-year-old models that get it all the every 3 months." And it's like, I didn't even think about Botox until I got into my 40s.
(32:11) What are you guys doing? You don't you don't need it. But they're like, "Oh, it's preventative." I'm like, >> "Yeah." And so that that's really scary because they do tell people that, oh, cuz your muscles move less, therefore you're not going to form deep wrinkles, therefore you won't need as much Botox, right? So that all sounds good in theory, right? You're like, oh, okay.
(32:26) But the reality is it atrophies your mus muscles over time because your muscles are paralyzed. And think about if I never lifted a a weight ever or ever exerc exercise my arm, my muscle is just going to turn to mush, right? And it's going to atrophy the muscle will because it hasn't been worked out.
(32:43) I think it's the same thing. So, the theory that you get deeper wrinkles might be true, but it's not offsetting that the muscle's just going to get so weak over time and fall, right? Whether that's Yeah. >> Well, my temporal loes are still sunk sunken in because they're atrophied and my forehead is still paralyzed and it should have been worrying off by now.
(33:01) So, we should still mention that. >> Yeah. You had it in July? >> No, I had it on May 7th >> and it's still >> I can't I mean, I'm trying to raise my eyebrows right now. >> No way. Not even Not even a little bit. May. Oh my gosh. >> And people will say on my social media, "Well, it still looks like you have Botox.
(33:18) " I'm like, "Yeah, cuz I'm I'm [laughter] paralyzed. >> This is why I'm talking about it." >> Oh, people be nicer online [laughter] as people like Sarah are trying to help. >> Trying to help. >> And I have to say, Sarah, you're obviously very healthy because I I mean, I know you're hard on yourself and you and you know what happened before the surgery, but I I think you look great.
(33:35) You sound great. It's everything. You're You're over the You're over the hill. Yeah. Over the You're over the over the mountain. You're you're you're almost there, right? So, I want you >> Was that an old joke, Ron? [laughter] >> I did not mean I did not mean an old joke. >> I'm older than you.
(33:48) I'm older than you, sir. I would never do that. So, >> no, you're younger than us, so it's okay. [laughter] >> No, but you are really, really beautiful. And I think so much. >> You really are. When you said you had no fillers, I was like, "Wow, I would have not thought that." Or that [laughter] >> you everyone's like, "She got cheek filler.
(34:03) " I said, "No, I just got good jeans. I got my grandma's [laughter] and my mom's jeans." >> They just assume. >> Hey, Sarah. Sarah, have you heard of the FAIR's database before? You never heard of that? Oh, interesting. Okay, so for our listeners who are not familiar, and I guess Sarah, I thought you'd be familiar, but evidently not, it's it's the FDA adverse event reporting system that contains reports of adverse events and medication errors submitted to the FDA for drug and therapeutic biologic products.
(34:29) And ultimately, the public can use fairs, the public dashboard to query data. So you can actually do research on things. is it's a very helpful tool to kind of identify some problems out there in the marketplace. >> Yeah. And if people are familiar with vaccine injury, it's bears. V A E R S is where people will report vaccine injuries, right? Any kind of vaccine.
(34:46) So this is fairs and I in researching the show came across it and I never heard of it either and it goes into if people want to dig it. So it's it's adverse effects. People will report adverse effects including their inject injectable brands, neurotoxins. Okay. And so we the the most recent report showed 87,660 reports.
(35:12) And of these 14,739 which is 16.8% carried a serious outcome. That would include hospitalization, life-threatening events, disability, or death. And then the other 83% were non-s serious. But you didn't even know about it. So I wonder cuz they say VERS is very under reportported. It's only 1%. And maybe that's the same that's going on here because you'll see a lot of professionals use these numbers like oh the risks are so low very very small amount of people.
(35:41) Well people don't even know where to report it and they don't even know this database exists right that's really interesting because I didn't know about that one but I had found out that you can report to the CDC as well the surgeon general and you can also report your injector if you feel like they've done something that was not right.
(35:58) >> I would report her just for gaslighting you. I asked for my medical information and I wasn't given it like that. And I know in her I know she was gas lit too. She thought >> Oh, absolutely. I even said to her afterwards, I don't know what kind of business cuz she she she joined someone else's business and she was the nurse that they brought on and I thought I said to her like as a like a friend at the time, maybe you should look into who you're working with and that everything is above board because I'm concerned
(36:25) here now that I'm not getting information. And I got a very snarky response back and that's when I got no more information. Oh my, she's probably afraid she'll lose her license, which she wouldn't. I don't think that she would lose her license because these injectors aren't are doing what the pamphlets and the education and the training tells them to do, right? Well, hopefully.
(36:45) I mean, there's a lot of muscles going on in our face. They do need to be really aware and and trained, but there's no liability, I think, for them unless they did something wrong. Right. >> But you are entitled to the pertinent information that I asked for and was not given. So, >> you were not given and she gave you more than you asked for, which I don't know, that's a little that's a little borderline.
(37:09) I don't know if that would be a legal issue. It sounds like it would be. And then when they when you go into this fairest database if you want to do a deep dive and I will put a link in the show notes. They did it by they broke it down by these adverse results by the brands and I just wanted to tell people.
(37:24) Now Botox is the most popular brand. Everybody knows that name and it's been around the longest. So obviously there's going to be the most reports with that. So that one had the most next followed by Dasport then Zemen then Juvo and then Daxify. And that was the order of ad reverse regime events. Daxifi is the only one that's vegan and you're like, why do I care? I'm not vegan.
(37:47) It means there's no human blood protein. So, a lot of people don't know that these these neurotoxins have to use well, they don't have to, but they do. They use human blood albamin as part of it's not just the neurotoxin. They put the human blood albamin protein in there. And Daxifi uses a peptide, I believe. And so they're the only one that doesn't have that.
(38:09) Do your due diligence. I I when I used to do Botox, I would do what they call baby Botox. So it' be like a very small amount. >> As we know, that doesn't matter. But I did get some friends to say, "Oh, Lisa, I'm now doing baby Botox." And I'm like, "Okay, step, baby steps. You'll get there.
(38:25) " So I just don't think a lot of people know what is this poison doing, where is it going? How is it interacting with our body? What? We're not We're not told that. So, the more information that we can share, the better. We're not telling you to do it or not do it. We're just telling you this can happen. The lady with the feeding tube.
(38:41) And then I saw the woman. Oh my god. She takes off her wig. She's talking and she got it for her her jaw. I keep forgetting the name of that. >> That's the massitors. >> Massiers. The massitors. People who have migraines. And the doctors will tell you, "Oh yeah, just get Botox. Oh, get it. Oh, you sweat too much.
(38:54) We'll stick it in your armpit." This lady lost all her hair and she was doing a small amount in for her masters and she went totally bald. Isn't that a weird Yeah. >> A lot of people lose their hair that have >> Yeah, that's my one thing I'm like please I've [laughter] been through so much already. >> Can I keep my hair? >> S you had mentioned earlier in the show.
(39:17) You said you had Botox a few times prior and you had some sort of symptom you thought maybe can you share with us what that might be because maybe that was a whisper from a long time ago. >> Well, it's interesting because I would have a headache or I kind of would not feel that great the next day, but then I did notice in the past year and a half I had a lot of unexplained pain and inflammation.
(39:38) >> Face or just your whole body? >> My whole body. I my I'm a I had said before I'm a dog walker and so I'd wake up in the morning and my feet would hurt. The bones in my feet would hurt. I would just have all these unexplained stuff and I went to the doctors. I got every test under the sun. Oh, you're fine, but your inflammation's high.
(39:55) I don't know why your inflammation's high. And now after I've done so much research, I just wonder, has this been building up in my system? my body wasn't really tolerating it, but it was kind of under the radar until this time where it just said no no more. >> Your system got overloaded maybe or or it spread.
(40:14) I mean, the spreading can happen if your system's not overloaded >> and maybe it has no correlation, but you think back and go, "Oh, there were there signs that I missed?" >> Because I they say it leaves your body in 3 to four months, but is that true? Do is there a study that shows, oh, we've tested and there's 0%? I I'd like to see that a 0% left.
(40:32) Who knows? We don't know. So, I want to leave listeners on a in inspiring note of there are alternatives. No, they're not going to do they're not replicas. They're not going to do the exact same thing. They're not the most poisonous substance on the planet that's going to paralyze your muscles. But I have found some great things that work.
(40:49) And I'd love to hear if you found anything too, Sarah, if you if you have anything off the top you want to start with that you >> Well, I just recently started doing lymphatic massage to try to get the stuff out of my system, but also for the face. It's really great to deep deppuff. And then red light therapy, micro needling.
(41:07) There's a little that's a little more invasive, but I will never put a toxin in my face again. I just would never take the risk. >> It's not worth it. No. >> No. And then face taping as well. It's something I'm going to try. I mean, >> okay. I've heard about that. >> They say frownies, they they you know, they cast your forehead and as long as you do it, it works.
(41:26) I guess you have to do it every night. But >> we got to do it. We need to follow up. We'll both face tape and then we'll follow up. [laughter] >> Okay. >> We'll check our wrinkles. Oh, yeah. I was telling you about the holistic health coach that I interviewed and she hasn't done anything. And she goes she goes, "Lisa, you'll just get used to the new you.
(41:42) You'll get used to you will love the new you. You will you won't cuz we look in the mirror and we hate ourselves when we see wrinkles and we we beat ourselves up and we feel bad." She goes, "No, you'll get used to it and you'll love you'll learn to love your wrinkles. You'll learn to love who you are." And it's true.
(41:54) I started doing it and I've got crows feet. I'm got wrinkles here. I don't care. I really don't care anymore. It's not worth the trade-off. Your story, is that worth it? Would you be like, "Okay, let's go to my girl trip, but now I can't digest >> what I wouldn't give to be able to raise my eyebrows." >> Isn't that crazy? >> Yeah.
(42:09) >> We looked at that like a bad thing to be able to have expression, right? Yeah. Very brave of you to show. >> Well, you will very soon, Sarah. >> Yeah, you will. >> Fingers crossed. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. And then other things that I have found, there's something called spalanthol.
(42:24) It's It's like an herb and I think it's an herb. Anyway, I know it's natural. I know it's 100% natural. Spalanthol and it's in certain products and it does kind of naturally relax the muscles and I'll put a link to the product cuz there's a product that is on Amazon that contains it and I think there's a brand called Oliva that sells it and so there's that if you want to over time naturally relax your muscles.
(42:47) I've done micro needling and it's totally bearable. I'm a big wimp and I don't like needles and it's and micro needling with PRP uses your own blood, right? It's your own blood and so I I really thought it was great and they numb you so you're it's bearable, right? >> Yeah. >> And it's very quick the process.
(43:06) >> It feels like a sunburn when you're done. >> Yeah. You look red and scabby for 2 days and then you're fine. I also Oh, my friend, she came to visit me and she's a no Botox girl, too. And I said, I hadn't seen her in a long time in person, right? She lives in in Northern California near you probably.
(43:24) And she came to visit and I go, "Oh my god, did you get a facelift?" And she goes, "No." And I'm like, "Your skin looks so good." Cuz I hadn't seen her in a year. And she said she did cryoacials. >> Oh, >> and cryoacials. Now talk about painless. Cryoacials, I don't think are painful at all.
(43:42) It's cold, but you know, you can deal with it. Totally non-invasive, totally safe. And she I'm not even kidding you guys. She looked 10 years younger. Didn't you? >> Yeah, I saw her, too. Yeah, she noticed her face smooth skin and and I'm pretty oblivious to be honest with you, but I thought her skin was very smooth. I thought it was bad before, but it was just very smooth when we saw her this time.
(43:59) >> You didn't see any wrinkles. She looked so >> I don't think cryotherapy is that expensive either. >> No, it's not actually. Yeah, cuz I Googled after she left. [laughter] I >> like sign me up. >> That's right. That's right. >> What's another one? Yeah, red light therapy. Oh, gouasha. >> Gouasha.
(44:16) the gouacha tool and you talked about lymphatic massage. Well, that's really what the gouacha tool does. So, if you're like, I don't want to spend $1,000 on treatments, you could get a little $5 stainless steel gouacha tool on Amazon. And at night when you're binging on Netflix, just rub it there. You kind of go in upward motions and you cuz your lymph nodes drain down, right? Drain down here under your armpits.
(44:36) And so, you're basically what you're doing is you're helping your body push toxins out into the drainage pathways, right? You want everything getting into those places. And so I think that's a real good one. And endermology, I don't know if anyone's familiar with that. It's really made for cellulite and it it you wear this like netted suit and they put this vibrating machine all over your body and it gets your body moving, your your toxins moving, >> but they do it for the face, too.
(45:02) I've had it done and it's incredibly relaxing. It's incredibly relaxing. So it's facial endermology. So those are some great things. and and we had an acupuncturist on facial acupuncture can be really good too if you are okay with needles in your face and I am not [laughter] >> I don't I might be too soon too soon too soon too but those are like cuz no one talks about the alternatives right and I think it's really important to leave women with yeah there are things we can do that aren't going to cause us potential really bad damage where we can
(45:32) still it's not going to be like it's not going to happen overnight like red light therapy you got to do it for a while to see results yeah and a lot of these things Oh my god. Is there anything else you'd like to leave listeners with? People who are on the fence who >> I just would really like to say that there is a lot of pressure to stay young, but is it worth [music] the the risk? Risk versus reward.
(45:56) Just make sure that you're informed. Do your due diligence. [music] Read all of the warning labels and then decide. I'm not telling anybody what to do, but I don't want anybody to have to go through [music] what I went through and so many others have gone through. >> Yeah. >> Very, very well said. Great, great way to end the show.
(46:15) My gosh, thank you so much, [music] Sarah. We're pray and I are going to pray for you for fasting. >> Yeah. God, God bless you. You are a hero, Sarah. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you for being with us and being so brave to share your personal story. We'll put a link in the show notes at healthyhomehacks.com. And you can follow Sarah [music] on Instagram and I think Tik Tok at hello Sarah Danielle.
(46:37) And that's Sarah with an H and [music] Danielle with two L's. Hello Sarah Danielle on Tik Tok and Instagram. Correct. >> Yep. >> Perfect. >> Okay. And friends. And please make sure to review the show. Five stars are always appreciated. We you and also make sure to follow us as well cuz if you want incredible guests like Sarah who are changing the lives of people all around the world, make sure to follow and and like the show and [music] subscribe. Thank you again, Sarah.
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