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(01:47) And most people have absolutely no idea. In fact, one study tested 160 homes across the country and found mold in every single one. Yet, only 17% of those homeowners thought they had a problem. And it's not just sneezing and stuffy noses. Mold exposure has been linked to brain fog, chronic fatigue, anxiety, memory loss, and immune issues.
(02:13) Symptoms that send people to doctor after doctor with no real answers. The Mayo Clinic found that 93% of chronic sinus infections can be traced back to mold. That's not a coincidence. That's a pattern and it starts in the home. >> Welcome to the Healthy Home Hacks Show. I'm Ron. >> And I'm Lisa.
(02:36) Today we are talking about a DIY test you can do yourself. An affordable athome kit that uses the same PCR DNA technology professional labs use to detect 36 harmful mold species hiding in your household dust. What makes it truly special is that it helps you match the mold in your home to the miccotoxins in your body.
(02:59) And that connection is everything when it comes to understanding and healing from mold related illness. If you've been feeling off and can't explain why, or you just want to know what your family is actually breathing every day, this episode is for you. So, stick around. Let's get into it. Brian Parr is a certified mold inspector, a second generation indoor environmental consultant specializing in assisting hyper sensitive individuals with complex medical conditions by identifying and addressing mold, micotoxins, and other indoor pathogens in their homes, leading
(03:37) to significant improvements in their health. As the co-founder of We Inspect and the Dust Test, Brian has become a recognized authority on indoor environmental mold and biotoxin issues for medical professionals, having assisted thousands of hypers sensitive individuals in creating healthier living environments.
(04:00) And Brian is here with us today to clear the air in your home, so to speak. Welcome to the show, Brian. Yes. Woo! Oh, I love it. I love the energy. I love the vibe. I'm here for it. Let's go. >> I've had this buzzer. I've been wanting to use this buzzer. I might bring it out again in the episode. >> So, welcome Brian.
(04:22) Thank you so much for being with us today. >> Yeah, thanks for having me. Really, really appreciate it. Honestly, guys, like these are this is my favorite thing to do. So when I get a break in my day where I get to just like talk and help people and and explain things, it's way better than running running businesses behind the scenes a lot of the time.
(04:38) So very very excited. >> Better than putting on your hazmat suit and going under the girls face. >> Well, this is a hot topic and it never gets old because everyone always wants to know about mold. It's probably the number one question Ron and I get asked. So, let's start with most people think that if they don't see mold, then they're in the clear.
(05:00) How do VOCC's and hidden mold exposure actually show up in a home that looks completely normal? >> Yeah, it's, you know, this, you said some stats earlier about the number of people that think they have a problem in their home versus the number of people that actually have a problem in their home.
(05:16) And this is why it is because our eyes can't see it, right? And we are very visual creatures in everything that we do. We rely on our sight and if we don't see something, there's a reason that phrase out of sight, out of mind exists, right? Like I don't see it. Whatever you don't think about it. >> The problem though is that our house doesn't care what we're looking at and what we're not looking at.
(05:34) >> Right. >> Right. Our house has no feelings. It has no intentions. It has it has no agenda. It just >> Oh, come on. It's warmer than that. Come on. It's nice. Right. >> And so here's the biggest thing. I I'll give you a couple things tied into this one. There's very big misconceptions in our industry about the relationship between moisture and mold and there is definitely a relationship.
(05:58) But then there's a a part where that kind of goes away yet it gets overlooked by people. And the big thing is this mold does need water or moisture to grow. That is true. It does not need water or moisture to stay. That is the thing that nobody thinks about. >> Okay. That's a that's a zinger. That's a zinger, Brian.
(06:17) It's the tough thing because as if you just understand that concept, we'll talk about others, but that concept alone is going to allow people to look at things and just kind of change perception a little bit. >> And I'll give you this one visual for you guys listening and then we can go through. >> Imagine you plant a seed and you water the seed, you know, a little flower in a pot and the flower grows.
(06:38) You have this beautiful flower. You're watering the flower and then you stop watering the flower. What happens to the flower? The flower doesn't like take itself out of the pot and go look for someone else to give it water. That's not what the flower does. The flower dries out. The leaves start to bend over. The petals start to bend over.
(06:55) They start to fall off. They get really brittle and they break apart really easily, right? Like any of you ladies out there who've like saved a rose from somebody way back in the day. >> Oh yeah. We all had that really dingy dark >> or if you buy discount flowers. >> So you can touch that flower after it's dried and it starts to crumble in your hand. Right.
(07:12) >> Yeah. That is what happens to mold colonies. So, this is the biggest biggest thing that gets missed all the time. Homes have water issues that occur all the time that are not floods. The majority of things that you find in a house is not a flood that happened. >> It's I had a one-time leak or something that happened a few times.
(07:30) >> Mold grew as the result of it. A lot of homeowners fix the leak. They're like, "Oh, we fixed this, right? there's no more water coming in from the outside of the house or the sink had this thing and we fixed this the thing in the sink that was leaking or whatever. >> You're literally describing our house right now.
(07:44) >> We It has been the year of water leaks and I can get into that in a minute. It's crazy. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And so yeah, I'd love to be helpful where I can with you on that. But >> let's just say let's say there was a mushroom involved. >> Okay. So there was enough. There was enough. >> Have you ever seen that? Have you seen mushrooms? >> Oh yeah.
(08:02) >> Okay. We can get into that in a minute. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we have to think about exposure in a house is a combination of things that are not only happening right now, but 90% of them are things that happened in the past that either we didn't even know about at all and they're so small that we just don't even know there's a moisture issue happening.
(08:22) >> Example, my kids splash outside of the tub every time they take a bath and the wall next to my tub gets water on it all the time. >> That is a massive place where we find mold all the time. And it's not because your shower was leaking. It's not cuz your tub was leaking. Your kid was the leak. Your kid was splashing water.
(08:38) >> Go to your room right now. Right. >> Yeah. And so that's really the big thing that gets missed a lot. And that's why we have issues where you can't visibly see them on the front cuz the water issue wasn't like the significant thing. But what happens in a house if you think about it behind your wall, you know, if anybody's seen like those those do it, you know, those shows where they're making, you know, doing the renovation stuff, you have studs and 2x4s back there, right? Then you put drywall on the 2x4s and the amount of space between
(09:04) the drywall and kind of the outside of the house, that space, you know, maybe a foot, you know, six inches depending on how big your, you know, your your 2x4s and your spaces back there. Air dilution is going to be a lot less in a space that's smaller that is enclosed on both sides, so the air flow can't go through it, >> right? >> So, as opposed to the inside, like if I'm sitting in my office right now and I can see the drywall that's here, right? So I'm on the other side of that.
(09:30) My whole office is open, my door is open, there's more room for air dilution, for air flow, right? >> So what's going to happen is if you have a moisture event that happens near a wall, like the kids splashing in the wall, the outside of the wall, >> air flow, dilution, it's going to dry up on the outside.
(09:48) On the inside of the wall, it's going to stay wet longer >> because there's no there's nowhere for it to air out and dry. And that's why the majority of problems that we see in homes are hidden >> because the hidden areas don't have the ability to dry out as easily. And so things will magnify in those spaces because it'll stay damp and humid in those spaces for much longer.
(10:08) That will allow mold to grow. On the front end of what we're looking at at the wall, all you see is a little teeny tiny something, right? Oh, the little bubble in this painting did. It's fine. They splashed. I know where it came from, so it can't be a problem. Right. >> Remember, our house doesn't know anything. Our house water hit me.
(10:26) This is where mold is going to grow. So, I think that's that's why the the why to your question, >> right? We did Ren and I did an episode on the doctor's TV show years ago and exactly what you just talked about. The whole family was sick. Everyone starting with the mom really the worst. And then the kids constant respiratory issues.
(10:43) They knew something was wrong. Everyone thought she was crazy. Even her husband was doubting her. And we went and we did an air sample test and we did one surface test kind of near the washer barely. There's no mold, no visible mold, but like a little moisture. >> It came back. The lab technician said it was the highest level of stocky botras he'd ever seen.
(11:06) So it had infiltrated the entire floorboard, all behind the walls. They had to they had to completely tear out the entire kitchen. It was all behind the kitchen cabinets. Yeah. They had to move out of the house cuz it was so toxic and you could not even see any mold. >> Can I guess that the air sample said there was no problem? >> Yes, it sample said no problem about that.
(11:26) Isn't that okay? Which is a good lead into hang on guys, listeners, cuz we're going to get to this. This is why you can't just do an air sample. But okay, so there mold needs, correct me if I'm wrong. I thought mold needs four things to survive. So, it needs a temperature like within a range, >> humidity >> within a range, a high humidity, and then a food source, which is an organic material, and then lastly, a water source, I thought.
(11:52) But you're saying it doesn't necessarily need the continual water source. >> Correct. Moisture and humidity is the same thing. >> Okay. Right. So, if we got humidity, >> it needs three things. It needs the right food source, the right temperature, and it needs water. >> Okay. It doesn't need oxygen. Does it need oxygen? >> I mean, I guess that's a very We have oxygen everywhere.
(12:08) I don't know if I've actually looked at research that sucks oxygen out of a place. >> True. True. Okay. So, we had This is so embarrassing to actually admit because Ryan and I are very neat. We have no kids. We have no pets. You know, we're like our house is really clean. But we had the year of water leaks. Like it was like, okay, the downstairs bath clogged drain.
(12:30) Then we had the dishwasher leaking. Then we had to, you know, fix the part. And we had the upstairs master shower needed a new cartridge, which I didn't even know existed until this happened. >> It was just leak after leak after leak. Then it was the washing machine. And we just noticed a drip coming out that was like not going into the drip pan.
(12:48) Every time, you know, you do a load, this water would trickle. And we were aware of it, but we were like, "Okay, we'll get to that. You know, we'll just put a towel for now." Ron discovers a mushroom growing. I can't I can't say this with a straight face. >> It was really gross. >> A large mushroom growing out of the floor, like the crack where the floorboard meets the floor.
(13:10) And he he comes to tell me, he goes, "There's a large mushroom." And I'm cracking up. I'm thinking, "No way." He's exaggerating. It's probably really tiny. It was It was huge. >> And it had to have grown fast because like it was I never >> Someone stepped on it. Someone hopefully stepped out of his shoes. We don't or socks cuz we don't wear sho.
(13:27) Anyway, anyway, needless to say, we got the plumber to come. We got the appliance guy. He's like, "Oh, it's a plumbing issue." We got the plumber. Basically, it needed to be snaked the hose. And he said, "It's super super super common." >> And it was an easy fix. But in older, apparently in older washing machines, it's really hard, he said, to get to those clogs.
(13:47) But ours, we have a newer one, so it was it was like an easier process. But a mushroom. >> I could have a little garden. I could have a garden. >> Is that a red flag? Is that a red flag, Brian? I think the safe takeaway from today is mushrooms growing in your house is a red flag if anyone has that. >> Okay, >> we could go there. >> But wait, get this, Brian.
(14:05) It's on the second story. It's not It wasn't even on the ground level. >> Well, your water source was on the second. It was That's where >> Right. Right. >> It's just so weird. You think of a mushroom needing soil. >> It came out of a crack. I didn't even know the crack existed. I It really went past the foundation.
(14:20) I don't even know how it got a big mushroom like that out of that crack, right? It was pretty crazy. So, >> well, can I use that as an example to illustrate something? Because something a lot of people ask is like, well, how can a mold issue behind a wall get out into my space if it's behind the wall? >> Nobody sees all those cracks in your house.
(14:35) >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Those are things that you don't see. The baseboard kind of covers the open holes in certain places and this kind of does that, but there's still all these gaps and crevices and pathways that air flows through our house that, you know, you can't see all of it, right? And this is just such like I mean that's such a good visualization of I didn't even know that there was a crack here for something to come through and then this thing grew out of it. Right.
(14:57) That's how air pushes out of your walls too. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Good example because it's teeny tiny crack. I mean you wouldn't have thought that anything could and you know it wasn't there like it sprouted in like 24 hours because >> you know we would have seen it. Yes, I I don't know how unobservant we were, but ultimately it had to have been 2, three days max, right? Cuz I don't know how long.
(15:16) >> Oh my gosh, it seemed like it seemed like 24 hours to me. >> Probably right, but >> I don't know. >> Have you ever seen that, Brian, in a in an inspection? >> Yeah, I I will say not often, but I remember at the very beginning when I was first learning this stuff, I was telling you guys before and it's a family business.
(15:32) So, I was going out with my brother-in-law and my father-in-law and they were showing me the ropes and all these things like a decade plus ago, however long ago this was. And I was with my brother-in-law and we were in a place and we there was a bathroom and on and there was like a double sink in the bathroom and then there was a wall that was kind of flush against like where the sink was and on the other side of the wall is a closet.
(15:52) So the sink was effectively backed up to a closet, right? And so we went into the clo I remember this cuz I was like, "Oh my gosh, there's mushrooms growing out of the ground here." It's like inspection four. Um and we went in there and there's a lot of clothes on the ground, right? Right. And so part of what we do is you need to move things away from walls so you can actually see stuff.
(16:11) So what a lot of inspectors don't do. They just walk in a room and kind of leave. They don't they don't really look for anything. They just kind of like come in and out like I don't even know what they're doing. So we had like we're moving some things so we could see the wall behind a water source which is a sink.
(16:24) It's important to see that. And then all of a sudden we saw the mushrooms like coming out from under there. >> Like a lot of mushrooms. It was like a total vegetable garden. >> There was there was multiple if I have to. It was a very long time ago. I feel like there was probably like four of them is kind of what my head is remembering.
(16:36) >> Four or five. Yeah. We used to have clients call saying that they had like like fuzzy mold growing in their shoes and their closet. I guess closets are because they're dark and >> Well, so this is a great this is a great example what I talked about with like those behind the walls, right? The reason stuff happens behind the walls is because they're closed.
(16:55) There's not a lot of air flow. Humidity will increase in a space where it's not getting diluted. A closet is another version of that. So, a lot of times what happens in a closet, especially if you're on the first floor and you have a crawl space under you or a basement with a moisture problem under you, >> the natural air flow pattern in a house is going to pull up.
(17:12) So, it's going to pull all the air upwards throughout the house. >> So, if you have a a problem in your crawl space, for example, and so the air starts pulling up, the air is going to pull up the moisture and it's going to pull up the spores and all the mold that's going to come up with that. >> It gets into a closet that doesn't have a lot of air flow.
(17:29) humidity increases in the closet and all of a sudden you see mold growing on your items, on your jackets, on your shoes, on your purses. >> And that's a big sign when you see it like that in a closet. It's not that the source is necessarily in the closet, >> right? >> It's that the closet's entrapping the condition.
(17:46) And so, usually it's something around it. It's usually something around. >> Yeah, that's a great point. Think about that. Think about listeners. What's on the other side of those bathroom sinks and those kitchen sinks and those dishwashers and a washer and dryer and all of that? Yeah, >> it's crazy. Well, Brian, there's a lot of confusion around testing, air tests, tests, dust tests.
(18:04) What are the biggest mistakes people make when testing their homes for mold and what actually gives you useful data? Cuz you had mentioned air tests sometimes don't pick it up all pick it all up. So, give us some advice here. >> Yeah, before I just get into like this you this test doesn't work or whatever, I like to kind of set the stage because I think it helps people understand there's act every test type has a strength and a weakness.
(18:27) So, it's not that like this test is the worst period. It's is it the right test for the question that you're trying to answer? And that's the really big thing. Just like if you're testing your body and you you need like a urine test to get the information you need and you do a blood draw instead and then the doctor looks at your blood draw and says, "Oh, everything looks great.
(18:46) " It's literally the wrong test for the question you're trying to >> and that's the equivalent of what happens a lot in homes on how on how inspectors use testing. So the big thing is air tests in the middle of rooms, right? And and you know your local inspectors, they'll call these like air quality tests or whatever they'll call them.
(19:06) And frankly, it's the wrong way to use an air test. And it's well documented and researched now. You shouldn't be doing it that way. Like it's it's very well known. The problem is that there's no enforcement on how testing is done. Like this this industry is not very well regulated. And so people kind of do whatever they want, right? And people were taught you do air tests in the room to see what's floating around the air.
(19:27) >> Right. >> And on the surface, if you just said it like that, you'd be like, "Oh, yeah, that kind of makes sense, right? I want to see what's in the air. I'm going to test what's in the air. That makes sense." Right. >> Right. >> When you kind of dig down a little bit and understand what an air test is doing, you are sitting in the middle of a room, right? So, let's say you're in 10 x 10 room, right? Right in the middle of the room.
(19:44) And you're taking that test. The question that you have to ask yourself is, why am I taking this test? So most of those inspectors are going to say, "We want to see if there's a mold problem." Wrong answer. Wrong question to be using that for. The strength of an air test is not to tell you if there's a problem somewhere.
(20:03) It's to pinpoint the source of a problem that is behind a place that you can't access. >> So you know how we talked about the wall earlier, right? >> Right. >> An air test four feet away from the wall that is covered. that is not the right test that's pinpointing it. >> Yeah. >> That only takes air from the from the air for 5 minutes.
(20:22) >> Mhm. >> And only happens to catch what's floating in a small vicinity around it, >> right? >> Is not going to tell you if you have a source in the room, >> right? >> So, what they're doing is they're using the wrong test for the wrong situation. Now, we do air testing all the time. We never do it in the middle of a room ever. It's just the wrong test.
(20:41) So, what we do is we say, "Hey, we think there's a test or we think there's mole behind this wall. We're going to put a little hole in the wall. It's about the size of like a a pencil basically. >> And then you pull air from behind the wall into the air pump. >> Interesting. I've never heard of anyone doing that.
(20:55) Okay, that's really powerful. >> So, what it's allowing you to do is to get data from the source that you can't access from a surface sample on the front. Like, if I did a swab on the front of that wall, it would come back to nothing, >> right? >> Because there's no growth on the front side of the wall. >> But if I want to see what's on the back, this is the way you get to it.
(21:13) Right now, the reason that that test doesn't work out in the open space, I talked about, you know, it's only 5 minutes. You're not kind of accounting for anything. >> So, the the research, and there's plenty of it, I literally was just sitting on stand testifying about this the other day, is the type of testing you should be using.
(21:34) If your question is, is there generally a mole problem that I'm being exposed to in my house? Not where is it coming from, just is there a mole problem here? Dust is the place that you get that data from. >> Yeah. I was going to say because even going back to that air test, I know there's heavy wet molds that don't stay airborne that want to settle >> seasonal, right? Correct.
(21:53) >> And so what? Yeah. And so another reason why the air test wouldn't pick up those types of molds, you know, and you look at the dust in your home, you know, when you see the stream of light come through and you see all that dust. Well, it's it's on its way to settle somewhere. I mean, that's what it's doing.
(22:07) So, >> well, and that's a nice thing. So what the dust gives you, it gives you a couple things. It gives you one place that's collected everything. So you just mentioned everything settles, right? So now instead of me trying to grab whatever's in the air, how difficult that must be. >> I can have it come to a place.
(22:21) It's almost like caught in a net, if you will. >> And then I just grab the net and now I can see everything in the net. So that part is really good. The next question that comes up, it's like, well, it's in the dust. I'm not breathing that air. And so just to close the loop on this, there's again well doumented research on all this stuff.
(22:38) It's called the human cloud effect. And basically what it means is as you move or walk through a building or a space, you're constantly resuspending or popping up things that are settled up into the air around you. >> You are your exposure source, >> right? Think about plopping down on a chair or couch >> just like this. >> You see the dust cloud. Yeah.
(22:58) >> It all pops up, right? >> So the thing is is that you're always being exposed because you're always moving. >> Yeah. So there's no way to not be exposed to what's happening in your house and what's settling on the surfaces because if you move, >> it pops up into your breathing zone. And that's the big thing that we have to make sure we're understanding about cons consistent and ongoing exposure.
(23:18) >> That's a great point. Yeah. And I think there was a stat with older not the HEPA airtight vacuums, but older say upright vacuums would be recirculating 70% of the dust back into the room. So vacuuming, you know, is a biggie. if you're not using a good vacuum cleaner and you're not changing that filter and not, you know, so that plays a part too.
(23:36) Give us a real quick symptoms. Someone's like, I think I have mold. I'm having this, this, this, and this. I don't see anything. What are the telltale signs? >> I wish there was like one or two, and you guys know this. There's not one or two, right? >> I'll give you like patterns cuz I think patterns are really helpful to see.
(23:55) The short answer on symptoms, mold impacts every body system that you have and it depends on the individual and depends on where you're susceptible. It depends on your genetic makeup and it depends on what you were exposed to when you were younger and how your body responds to that in the future.
(24:09) There's a lot of things that go on. I would say the first three things just in terms of why somebody reacts to something. First off, genetics. 24% of people are not able to clear mold and biotoxins from their body. >> So that person >> the MT are you talking about the MTHFR? >> Yep. >> Yep. Last podcast, guys. Listen to the last podcast.
(24:27) That's what we talked about. Yeah. >> So, it's Well, actually, it's not the MTHFR. I'm sorry. It's the HLA the HLA gene. So, there's the MTHFR is 40% of people have the MTHFR. The HL or the HLA gene. 24% of people have this one switched. And what this does is it doesn't let your body mobilize and detoxify biotoxins and mold from the environment.
(24:48) >> Wow. >> So, when you breathe it in, it's just clogged and it stays. >> What is it called again? I've never heard of this. called the HL AR. >> H L A D. And is there a test that you could test just for that? >> I'm sure genetically there's there's a blood test or something >> on that.
(25:04) The the doctor who initially put mold exposure and mold illness on the map, his name's Dr. Shoemaker. He did it in the late 90s, early 2000s. It was all around this >> and it was around this is what chronic inflammatory response syndrome is. So Sers, if anybody's heard of that, >> it's effectively your body is chronically inflamed because it can't clear stuff.
(25:23) And so it's just constantly being aggravated and that's where the chronic inflammation comes from. So you have 24% of the population that's there, right? So if you're one of those, you're going to be reacting when someone in your house isn't, right? And that's a very normal thing to see. >> Second thing, and this is really interesting, it's previous exposures when you were younger.
(25:39) >> Okay. >> So it's it's the equivalent to a trauma that your body now learns how to react to in the future when you get older, >> right? Yeah. >> So, let's say when you were a kid, there was more of a physical trauma that occurred to you, right? I open the door and every time I open the door, I got punched in the face.
(25:57) Just that just happened to you, right? As you get older, every time you go near a door, your body is going to kind of freak out because it learned when it was younger that when I open this door, I get punched in the face. >> Did you have an older brother, Brian? >> No, I have an older child >> who lived next door.
(26:13) His broom was next door. So the same thing happens to our immune system to mold exposure when we're younger and our immune systems are not fully developed until your late teens, early 20s. And so you have this time period where your immune system is trying to figure out life basically. And if it's being exposed to something that's causing internal damage and internal triggers like mold when you grow up and I live in a basement in the Midwest and I'm a kid and all of a sudden I'm exposed to this.
(26:39) Now, when you get older, your body, you're going to be in a house that maybe isn't that bad of a problem now, >> but you breathe it in, your body is like, "Oh man, this is the thing that used to punch me in the face." And now all of a sudden, you're going to start overreacting. You're start getting autoimmune stuff that's going to pop up.
(26:52) All these things are going to pop up cuz your body's been trained to be afraid of that and to overreact to it, right? So, that's >> to protect yourself, right? It's also trying to protect you. is that so when you say mold exposure as a child, could that be from moldy food or would it have to be like an a mold in a home or building? >> It's really interesting that you ask that.
(27:14) So it's it's more so mold in the building than food. So with the dust test, which you had mentioned earlier, so we have an IRB certification, which is a a federal certification that allows our data to be then used for human clinical trials. Mhm. >> So to my knowledge, we're the only indoor environmental mold data that exists that has this level of certification on our data.
(27:35) >> Oh, congratulations. Nice. >> Yeah, that's amazing. >> Yeah, thank you. It's it's important because we we know all this. You know, the family knows all this. I told you guys about we we know all this stuff. We have to start proving it in a way that's like undeniable so we can really start getting action and movement and change to happen, right? And so we went through this process and and so we have this which is cool.
(27:55) >> So I got the first round of information back just like last week. I just presented it yesterday in a private group. So here here's what's being looked at in the information. So when someone gets a dust test, you have the ability to to do what we call a health survey. And you can update it. You can add information about some of your symptoms that you're having.
(28:13) And the really strong one that I'm going to talk about right now is if you've done a micotoxin test for your body already, you can tell us in the survey and it says yes, I have this micotoxin and that one and that one or whatever you have. Then what the dust test does is it maps the molds in your house to the micotoxins that are in your body.
(28:31) >> So if I have let's say okrtoxin A which is a super common one. Let's say I have okrotoxin A in my body and I go through this I do the dust test and the dust test finds that I have you know a number of mold species that produce micotoxin or ochre toxin A that are in my house. Right. >> You now have direct correlation to exposure and toxin load in your body.
(28:53) >> Right. Right. And what's so the the finding that came out of this the number of people who had a micotoxin that they reported 96% and this is several hundred responses and it's just getting bigger every day. 96% had molds in the house that were tied to their micotoxins in their body. >> Right? >> This isn't half. This isn't a few.
(29:14) This really almost every single person >> has the mold in their house that's producing the toxin they're seeing in their body. And not one on average 11 mold types. >> Whoa. >> That are connected to the toxins in their body. >> Wow. >> Wow. What the research is showing and why your question was so like really prompted this.
(29:34) >> It's not our food. It's not in our pantry. It's not in the grocery store. Like yes, those things have toxins in them potentially. You know, we know brains. We know things, right? >> But coffee. >> Yeah. But you eat four or five times a day. You drink coffee in the morning, maybe once a day. >> Are you watching us? >> Breathe.
(29:54) >> Are you watching us? >> I know. You breathe 20,000 times a day. >> Yeah. >> And 90% of our time is spent indoors. So 18,000 of your breasts are indoors. >> And the majority of our time now is spent in our house as opposed because a lot of us work from home now. We still spending at least half our day at home, right? So if you just say 10,000 of my breaths are happening in my house, which is on the low end probably.
(30:20) >> Yeah. >> 10,000 times you're introducing those toxins into your body >> versus I ate peanut butter on Wednesday a week and a half ago. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I see. I see. >> The data is undeniable. And that's like different symptoms too that you would get from a food allergy partic you know like maybe you get that closed throat or hives or you know those tend to be different symptoms where going back to the like the respiratory hay fever like symptoms that we see with mold in the home, right? I think I I like to say hay fever because I think it
(30:51) covers so much, right? I mean water >> I just think of like the 1950s like or 30s like who had hay fever just walking around, >> right? Hey, >> everyone's got something. I mean, >> it's rare to talk to anyone that doesn't have any, you know, zero ailments, right? And so, yeah, so that the cough, so when mold is in our body, >> can it live anywhere? I know the lungs are like one of the main areas, but can it live anywhere in your entire body? >> So, this is another really good question and something else that I think is
(31:23) really telling. So when you think about external influences on our body, right, we think food, we think water, we think the makeup you put on your skin. You know, you think these things that are influencing you externally, each of those things, they directly impact one body system. >> So I eat goes straight to my gut.
(31:41) I drink, it goes straight to my gut. I put stuff on my skin. That's the direct body system it's impacting. Right? Now, of course, they have like cascades, right? Obviously your gut can cascade secondary impacts but the primary system that it's impacting is one only one >> right right >> the air around us three primaries it's the only thing externally that impacts three different primary systems at the same time and then all three cascade >> so the first one is your respiratory that's obvious breathe gets into my
(32:09) lungs right this next one is really interesting Dr. Dr. Joel Chris taught this to me a long time ago. It's your gut. >> And you're like, "Well, how's it impacting my gut if I'm breathing it?" Here's how it's doing it. You breathe into your nose. >> You have your sinus, you know, you have your mucus and stuff, and you have post-nasal drip that drips from your sinus directly into your gut.
(32:30) >> Oh wow. >> You are directly feeding your gut elevated mold load and toxin into your gut. Now, if we talk about your gut for a second, we know that the gut is supposed to be encased and protected, right? That it's everything's supposed to stay in there. We know that when there's dispiosis in your gut or things are out of whack that your your gut barrier breaks, you get SIBO, you get candida, all these things kind of happen when your when your ecosystem, the microbiome gets out of balance.
(32:58) >> Yeah. So, if you're trying to balance a microbiome and you're inserting consistently fungus and miccotoxins into an environment that has bacteria in it, >> those are natural opposing forces that fight each other. >> So, you're influencing the increase of micotoxin production, the increase of endotoxins, which are systemically the biggest inflammatory trigger in our body, and that happens in our gut.
(33:24) That's what LPS is. And so by breathing this stuff in, this is why so many people have gut issues. So many people have noticed. >> Wow. That's really interesting. Everyone looks at just the food. You're right. Yeah. >> Yeah. And again, it's I eat a few times a day. I breathe 10,000 to 20,000 breasts that are feeding it directly.
(33:41) I had a I had a doctor on my pod a while back and he gave the example which I thought was crazy. He's like he's a pediatric doctor and he was talking about kids and how they're impacted. But the analogy that he gave, which stuck with me, if you're breathing mcotoxins in and you're seeding your gut in the way that we're talking about, you're effectively taking antibiotics with every breath.
(34:02) >> Oh, interesting. Because micotoxins are supposed to kill bacteria, >> right? >> Antibiotics go in to kill all the bacteria. >> The good bacteria and the bad. Yeah. >> We know what frequent antibiotic use does for us. >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. Destroys. So, even if you're taking a good probiotic and you're you're just kind of never going to get rid of the problem, which we see a lot with people with the probiotics, right? It's just >> they're taking them, they're religious, and the problem just doesn't go away.
(34:30) And it's like, why isn't this working? Why isn't this probiotic working? Right. >> Yeah. >> Are there studies that show maybe women are more affected than men or different ethnicities might be more affected for certain types of mold? >> Yeah. So, women generally will present faster. >> Yeah. Okay.
(34:48) And the big reason that they present faster is that they have more physiological fat than men do generally. >> Ladies, you did not hear. >> I said physiological sticking up for the girls here. >> I didn't say it another way. Um, but the reason is that micotoxins specifically are fat soluble and they absorb into fat cells. >> So, women are going to get that first because they just have a higher percentage of body fat than men do naturally. Right.
(35:16) Right. Another reason why our brains and brain fog is such a huge huge symptom for people across the board because our brains are primarily lipids and fats. >> And so micotoxins when they get up there first when you breathe through your nose you have a direct line to your brain and the blood barrier that's right there. >> And then as you pass through it wants to absorb and suck in the toxins because it's primarily a fat-based organ.
(35:38) >> Right. So interesting. Yeah. We we had a doctor on I think it was Dr. >> Dr. Dr. Julie Green who talked about she sees a lot of patients with every you know all the environmental issues lime you name it and she said a lot of most of the time with her ADHD patients she finds it's a fungus in the nasal cavity >> a fungus in the nasal cavity that's actually causing the ADHD >> it's not that uncommon it's not that uncommon that's common to have fungal growth in your in your sinus if there's a mold issue in the house
(36:10) >> right so like Xclear she recommended that brand I I mean, I know netting pot, there's obviously things you can do, but you obviously want to, like anything, get to the root cause. >> Okay. Well, beyond mold, what byproducts does it create? We talked about micotoxins and how much can they impact your health and can you test for the micotoxins.
(36:32) What do you recommend? Like, give us the testing protocol. Like, do you recommend everybody do a micotoxin blood test and a micotoxin animal test for the home, you know? So very good questions. When we work with doctors about how to best implement like environmental information into their practice, right? Like we're I'm giving a presentation at the Cellcore eco conference in a couple weeks.
(36:56) >> Oh, I just took that today. Ryan and I are taking Cellcore right now. >> There you go. I'm going to be there talking in a couple weeks. So we're in the open We're in the drainage open drainage drainage pathways, whatever it's called. >> Oh, good. You're like kind of first phase methylation pathways getting everything.
(37:10) >> Yeah. and the toxin binder because we've been parasite cleansing and all that good stuff. So yeah. >> Yeah. Full moon's coming. So that makes sense. >> Yes, it is. There you go. It is. It's coming. >> Okay. So the thing that we're going to that I'm talking about a lot is contextaware medicine.
(37:25) And I want the bridge and what we're why we're trying to do all this stuff with data is we're trying to bridge this gap that exists between the clinicians and the environment. And a lot of times they're making decisions without all the context. Right? So, if they're working with a patient who maybe had an inspection from some guy on Yelp who has five stars because he answers his emails really fast, but he doesn't actually know how to find mold in the house, then they're going to go back to the doctor, be like, "Well, this guy said I don't
(37:48) have a problem." So, now the doctor's making decision off poor context, right? And so, what we're trying to do is create more of a contextaware ecosystem for practitioners where they can have the full picture. And so, like a lot of the practitioners that we work with, they actually to answer the question, do you test for microtoxins first? Do you not? So, a a lot of practitioners kind of have their baseline of things that they'll run on someone when they come in, right? Like they might run an oat test, they might run specific, you know,
(38:12) inflammatory panels, they might run whatever they're going to run. And a lot of them are now running the dust test before they even do body micotoxin testing. >> Okay? >> And the reason is that the dust test, well, let me take a step back. The the challenge with testing your body for micotoxins is that there's a lot of variables on whether or not the toxins are going to show up on the test. Mhm.
(38:34) >> So, let's say for me, for example, cuz I I had a doctor. I worked with a whole bunch of her patients. So, she's like, "Hey, I know the houses that you're in. I want you to come in. Let me do a full workup on you. I want to make sure that you're okay cuz I see going to." >> That's great. >> Which was great.
(38:50) And so, she ran a full panel. Part of it was mcotoxins. And I had three micotoxins that came out. They weren't at like incredibly high levels, but they were technically positive and present. And so, the conversation with her was really interesting afterwards. And she's like, "Listen, I was expecting these to be way higher." Okay.
(39:06) So, the reason I was expecting to be higher cuz I know where you are. So, what this tells me is that you actually mobilize and detox really well. >> Mhm. >> Now, I'm seeing them because you're still going there and they're all like kind of constantly working its way through because I'm still in the house and then I'm coming back here and I'm still like all these things, >> right? >> And so, for me, I'm seeing elevated levels because I detox really well, >> right? Now, on the flip side, you could have somebody who has poor methylation
(39:32) pathways. Nothing is open. They're clogged up like crazy. >> They hold toxins. They do a test and nothing shows up. >> Right. >> And it's not because they don't have any. It's because they have so many >> that their body shut down, >> right? So, there's a lot of doctors that are that are kind of on the fence on do I test when they come in? Do I try to provoke them before testing? Meaning, do I try to get them binders and something that's going to mobilize toxins and then test them to see if I can see a number?
(40:03) >> Do I, you know, when do I do it? Right. So, there's a lot of >> Well, because they're not like mobilized. You're saying when it's when it's really out of control, they're not mobilized. So, they're not kind of like parasites. I mean, this is the problem with parasite testing. They're stealth and they they hide in the tissues and in the organs and they're not just floating around like >> they're not they pretty much don't usually show show up in tests.
(40:24) I took multiple urine and stool tests and everything came back negative and I definitely had parasites because I saw them physically. >> Yeah, >> it's a long story but I knew for a fact that I had them and I have pictures actually. They came out of my my foot soaks. So yeah, you can't always rely on that. >> Yeah.
(40:40) So this is why like if if you're going to go through this process, I think like to sum up at least what we talked about so far, listen, the environment not be might not be everything, right? I'm not going to say it's everything, but it is way more than anyone thinks that it is. >> Yeah. And if we're coming up and we're having symptoms that are kind of like all of a sudden sort of symptoms without an explanation where they came from >> or we're seeing multiple people in the house >> Yeah.
(41:03) >> that are having symptom but all the symptoms are different. >> The natural reaction in that scenario is to say, well, it can't be the house cuz all of our symptoms are different. >> Oh, okay. >> It's actually the opposite. It is the house if all of your symptoms are different >> because everyone's reacting differently cuz their bodies are different.
(41:21) So you're trying to be like what does everybody have? Why is everybody have like why are you here and I'm here and I'm here. >> And even if they're part of the same family, they can have different reactions. Right. >> Completely completely different. The commonality is actually the environmental trigger. >> Right.
(41:33) >> And the difference is then how it presents in the person. >> Right. Right. >> So the dust test has none of the restrictions that our human body does in terms of is is it going to show, is it not going to show, should I ask it to show first before I test for it? like all of that is gone and the dust test is just straight DNA sequencing of literally what is there >> so you don't miss anything and it gives you a better perspective of exposure >> that you could align not only with the toxins in your body but you can align
(42:00) them with symptom sets and clusters and things that the doctor can understand. So like >> to the the the very long form answer of this is understanding the exposure component as part of your initial screen of just everything that's happening to you is something that more and more and more doctors are doing now.
(42:16) a standard practice before they decide how am I going to now progress a protocol development with you, right? >> What does the landscape look like? And the landscape is no longer just what's inside the body. It's not just terrain theory. It's dual terrain theory, >> right? >> It's my body lives in a terrain. What is that terrain? >> In inner terrain, outer terrain. Yeah.
(42:35) I would think I mean your your dust test which is incredible is very reasonably priced and we'll get to that in a minute but it's a do-it-yourself for listeners that you do before you spend thousands on an inspector if you decide if you decide you need that and or remediation but I would start there before a blood test cuz the blood test the really good ones can be really expensive.
(42:56) I know like the lab matters like which lab you're using makes the world of difference and the result and the good labs are pricier for sure and so you know why not start with your house and then like you said okay we know we have these particular molds now we can see if the microtoxin show up that match that and whatever >> you're right about it being reasonably priced too but I'm curious do you have any recommendations on where they should apply this dust test like what are the key spots in the home to to do this Yeah, there's a whole like howto that
(43:28) comes and tells you. It's so simple. Has anyone ever cleaned their house before? Like this is effectively what you're doing. >> Apparently not us cuz we have mushrooms. >> You're taking a Swiffer cloth and you're wiping dust from your house. >> The nice thing about it and the reason it's so easy to do is because the purpose, again, the purpose of the test is not to say it's right here or it's right there, which would require >> an ability to see things and map things a certain way.
(43:55) The purpose of the test is is there mold floating around in my house? >> And at that point, it doesn't really matter where you touch. So, it's just it's a thorough you basically just want to fill the dust cloth on both sides. And that's effectively what the what the instructions say. And it's very simple. Yeah. >> Are there any myths out there about mold and indoor air quality that you wish people would stop believing? >> Yes.
(44:17) One, air samples will tell you if you have a mold problem. >> Okay. Number number one internal study that I did a while ago. 78% of the time there was mold in a wall. I took an air sample, ambient air sample about 2 ft away. 78% of the time false negative in the ambient air sample. >> Wow. >> So that's number one.
(44:37) Number two, if you don't have water, you can't have mold. We talked about that, but this is a huge, huge, huge thing because this is what all these local inspectors are going to come in and do for people. They're going to come and use their moisture meter and their infrared camera, and they're going to say, "Oh, nothing's wet. You can't have a problem.
(44:50) The end. That's what they're going to tell you. >> No, but is that was is the water problem isn't that associated more with like a stocky botric or some of those different types of molds? Would that be true for them though versus >> So, not necessarily. So, it's about it's about how much water was present at the time that the growth was happening, >> right? So, if I had enough water, so there's three three amounts of water that you have a little amount, a middle amount, and a lot, right? So, you kind of have three. A little a little middle
(45:16) and a lot. Little is humidity. Okay. Middle is like, you know, kind of damp but not like wet. A lot is wet, right? So like Yeah. >> Yeah. Or like a a leak that's just consistent or something like >> where your where your mushrooms are growing. That's wet. That's not damp. Right. So that's what that is. >> So in those scenarios, let's say your let's say the plumbing line is leaking.
(45:44) You had a wet area, right? stack would have grown in that place potentially because of the amount of water that was there. You fixed the leak and it's no longer leaking anymore. The area will eventually dry out if you don't help it dry out by drying it, right? But the mold that grew there at the time, it's still going to stay there like we talked about.
(46:01) So, you can still have stackibrius and these molds that are present in places that are dry right now because at the time of the moisture event, there was enough that allowed that mold type to grow, >> right? And that mold can keep releasing micotoxins even when it's dormant. Correct. >> So it's a good question and clarification.
(46:19) It doesn't keep producing the toxins. >> Okay. >> But what it does, so the way the toxins work, I'll give an I'll verbalize it for people listening if you're not watching. Imagine mold like a volcano. >> Okay? So your mold colony is a volcano. And the lava that comes out of the volcano that covers the whole volcano when the lava comes out, that is your chemical micotoxin. that's made.
(46:40) >> Okay. >> So, it does only get created when there's moisture and it's kind of an active volcano, right? We've heard active volcanoes and not active volcanoes, right? When you have a volcano that's not active, it's not producing lava. But if it did, the ash and everything from the lava is still on the outside of the car.
(46:57) >> Okay? It could be activated. And so when it dries and it becomes more easily broken apart from air currents because it's not strong like that flower we talked about earlier, it's drier and more brittle, right? >> When the lava came out and covered the whole thing, the chemical of the lava is still on the whole thing.
(47:14) >> But now when the air comes and breaks it apart, it's carrying the toxin out into the house, >> right? So, you're getting prolonged exposure to the toxin consistently, but it's the toxin that was created before and you're just kind of getting it dosed and dosed and dosed out to you. So, it's a slight difference in how it works, but you are still getting consistent exposure from it if it was created.
(47:35) >> Oh, gotcha. Okay. So, you do want to and this is another big thing that people get really tripped up on is how to properly clean. Now, I know the EPA says if it's under 10 square ft, you can do it yourself. any visible mold over 10, they recommend a remediation company. What is the best way that homeowners should get rid of a small mold, visible mold? >> I think we have to like understand what that means.
(48:02) >> You weren't going to give us an easy answer. They were going to say soapy soap and hot water. >> So mold is like an iceberg. The tip of the iceberg isn't what took down the Titanic. It was the whole thing. It got around the tip. It was the whole thing underneath. >> If you cleaned the ocean and cleaned the tip of the iceberg and it was not there, the Titanic still would have run into that thing and and drowned.
(48:26) >> Mhm. >> And that's what happens when we surface clean mold on surfaces in the house. It goes back what we said earlier, out of sight, out of mind. It's not there anymore. >> But remember, our house doesn't care. House gives no Fs. >> And so it is still back there and it is still impacting.
(48:44) So, what I would say, I mean, there are certain places you can clean, right? >> I was going to say like a bathroom mildew situation or something that you know isn't penetrated. I guess you wouldn't know, but that you assume hasn't penetrated. >> Yeah. I mean, technically tile you can clean. Okay. Now, in showers, there's grout and grout is not tile.
(49:02) >> And so, you have this variable that like if it's on the tile, that's one thing. Technically, you can clean that. If it's penetrated the grout, you can try to surface clean it, but you really need to keep an eye on it to see if it comes back. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It probably means it's behind the tile at that point and it's working its way out, >> right? >> You know, windows that are solid, you know, glass and like certain things you can clean, but if you're talking about an area of drywall or cabinetry or things like that,
(49:30) >> you sure wipe the surface if you want to. And it's I mean, it's not like bad. It's not like there's more that exists, right? But I just want people to be aware that the rest of it, the 90% of the rest of it, that's that is that iceberg is still going to be, >> right? But for the surface, I mean, people, you don't recommend bleach, I'm going to guess. No. Okay.
(49:49) Cuz that's what most people do. >> Yeah. Ble even for as far behind on this as the EPA is, even the EPA says don't use bleach. If the EPA is telling you not to use it, then then like don't use it. >> I know. I guess people just associate it, you know, with it kills everything and so they just have this false sense of, you know, soap soapy.
(50:09) The EPA recommends hot hot soapy water, which your brain goes, is that really going to kill it? You know, is that really going to get rid of it? So, I get that hesitation with people. Okay, last question. For someone listening who suspects their home might be part of the problem, but feels overwhelmed, what are the first one one or two practical steps that you'd recommend they take? If you really are, you know, if you think that the house might be something, you got to get data that's telling you, right? Just like you, if you if I think I have a gut
(50:38) problem, I could watch all the Instagram videos I want in the world, but at the end of the day, I probably need to go to a doctor to tell me if I have a gut problem, right? And and get the testing done. >> So, like you guys talked about, I mean, I, you know, not to like beat a dead horse, but the dust test is such an easy entry point here for this.
(50:53) And it gives you the proof. It lets you know, right? And so, I I would start there. You're going to literally see what's there. And then the great thing about the dust test is that it is coupled with an an interpretation call from our team at we inspect >> to go over. >> Nice. That's great >> because you mentioned and you're right, it can be overwhelming for people.
(51:14) What if people are overwhelmed and they don't know, right? So, a lot of times people are afraid to get information because what do I do once I have it? And that fear of the unknown, of the overwhelm stops them from doing something, right? So, what I wanted to make sure we did when we were constructing how the experience of someone coming through the dust test is that it's not a test like all these other at home test kits that you take where it's like, "Hey, here's all your data. Congratulations." Yes.
(51:39) Your >> guts. You get a little report in the mail. You're like, "Hey, you're on your own." >> Yeah. I did the function health test and it told me I have 13 biomarkers that are elevated and that was it. And I was like, "Oh god, what do I do now?" Right. >> Oh, yeah. Now that you can access your lab reports yourself, you're like, "Ah, what is that?" You know, and you'll always think the worst.
(51:55) And then the doctor reviews it with you and they're like, "Oh, that's not a big deal. That's not a big deal." You're like, "Really?" >> Yeah. It's helpful. And I think it's so important. And a lot of what we do both at We Inspect and the dust test is we look at functional health and what has been created in terms of processes and how they work with people and how they identify things.
(52:13) And we've essentially stolen the process of how functional medicine works and applied it to here, right? And so if you come in, here's your data. Here's how we talk to you. Here's how you help you understand that. Here's how you talk to your next step. So that's all part of the dust test. Like you're getting you're getting effectively free consulting tied in with the dust test that like no other no other test would even be able to compete with.
(52:31) >> That's incredible. That and and you guys that is the I'm going to I was going to say it in two seconds anyway, but the dustest.com and it tests for 36 different species of mold. Is that correct? >> Correct. Yeah. >> 36 different types. Okay, that's fantastic. >> Yes. >> Well, is there anything else you want to leave listeners with? We covered a lot of ground.
(52:53) >> I just one thing. A lot of times these conversations end up being house is terrible. You're all going to die. Like when people are coming to it, let me let me just end on like a positive note. I have seen the worst of the worst of people. I have seen people that I I've seen a kid in a wheelchair after moving into a house 9 months where before he moved in 9 months, he was playing little league sports.
(53:15) >> Whoa. >> Into a wheelchair on a feeding tube because the house destroyed him. identified the issues in the house. It wasn't even a massive problem. It was just stuff that was like kind of directly impacting him and how he moved through the house, >> right? >> Fixed months later back up >> like like it did now.
(53:32) >> Wow. >> Unbelievable. >> So, and there's so many story that's a very extreme one. There's so many stories of people at different parts. And I think a part of the overwhelm that you mentioned before is this kind of like fear of like it's impossible to escape mold. It's impossible. You're telling me it's everywhere.
(53:47) You're telling me this. Why should I even do this? But >> the reason that you do it is one, the answer isn't necessarily, most of the times the answer isn't you have to rip your entire house apart and start over. A lot of people might tell you that. The reason they tell you that is cuz they didn't have the right guidance on how to do it the right way.
(54:05) >> The way to do it is through a process that we call exposure mapping. And it's you do the full assessment of the house. You figure out where all the problems are. Just like in functional medicine, give me my full panel of everything. Let me see everything. >> Right? doesn't mean you treat everything, >> right? >> You treat the one or two, three things, >> okay, >> that are cascading down to the other things.
(54:25) >> That are impacting your health. >> Yeah. >> And so the secret to this whole thing is get the full picture >> and then be surgical on the things that you address. >> So I might find 20 potential things in a house and at the end we're only going to talk about your top tier action items are these four things.
(54:42) >> Okay, >> run at these four things. Yeah, >> you might have to replace a wall or this or that. I mean, of course, you're going to do a couple things, right? >> But your exposure load is going to go down significantly because those are the biggest >> defens. And so, that's what I would tell people. Don't be afraid of how bad it can be cuz normal human nature is to think worst case scenario >> and then we freak ourselves out about a future that's never going to happen >> and then we stop in our tracks and we do
(55:08) nothing. And >> so, I don't want that to happen for people. Take it step by step. get the data component that you need that helps inform the next decision. Yeah. Instead of assuming what you think is going to happen down the road and going down a path in your mind that doesn't ever actually happen. >> Yeah. Great way to end the show.
(55:27) And also use those ventilation fans in your bathroom or open a window. Make sure you're having that air flow and keeping your humidity down if you run the AC. That's a good way. Or a dehumidifier if you're in like a really humid area. Just common sense things to keep the humidity levels in your home low. All right.
(55:45) Well, thank you so much for being with us today, Ryan. As I said, you can find the dust test at the dustest.com and you can find we inspect at yesweinsspect.com. Additionally, Brian shares knowledge through his popular podcast, #moldfinders colon radio, and offers comprehensive training programs that empower both consumers and health practitioners to properly navigate mold and biotoxin issues.
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