Podcast 4: The Truth About Mold 2024 | Ron And Lisa Beres Healthy Home Authorities

Boarded in Emergency and Environmental Medicine, Dr. Lisa Nagy, shares over-the-counter supplements that can help prevent viral infections. She also discusses the ways that toxic exposures in our homes affect our immune systems. We dive deep into indoor mold with and hear about her personal journey as well as a concerned caller whose life has turned upside down from exposure to toxic mold.

Dr. Nagy illuminates how a weak immune system makes one more susceptible to COVID-19 and various other illnesses. She’ll share shocking links between mold and mood as well as drug and alcohol addictions. We further the conversation of mold and its connection to chemical sensitivity and how EMFs, or electromagnetic fields, play a role. She’ll leave us with practical tips to reduce environmental triggers and ways to stay healthy in the days of the current coronavirus pandemic.

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Transcript Email Download New Tab Lisa Beres This episode of healthy home hacks is sponsored by the building biology Institute to learn more about creating indoor environments that support health and wellness visit their free resources at building biology institute.org Narrator How would you like to improve your health and keep your family safe? Your listening to the healthy home hacks podcast where we firmly believe enjoying optimal health shouldn't be a luxury. healthy home authorities and husband and wife team Ron and Lisa will help you create a home environment that will level up your health. It's time to hear from the experts. listen in on honest conversations and gain the best tips and advice. If you're ready to dive in and improve your well-being and increase your energy you're in the right place. Alright, here are your hosts biologists authors, media darlings, vicarious vegans and avocado aficionados, Ron and Lisa Beres. Lisa Beres Imagine this. I'm sitting, anxiously perched on the exam room table, trying desperately to tame the sounds of the crinkling parchment paper. My physician for privacy sake, let's just call her Dr. m. She's cloaked in a pristine white lab coat to gaze across me, firmly grasping her clipboard in both hands. Your blood test came back normal, everything is fine. Except that it wasn't. Well, those words normally would be music to any woman's ears during a doctor's visit. Today was a different story. The music was more melancholy and less harmonious, knowing something is physically wrong with you and hearing that there's no explanation and no solution for your symptoms is a hard pill to swallow. I couldn't hold back my emotions anymore. I started crying in the office. You seem sad she consoled if it would help. I can write you a prescription for antidepressants. Wait, what antidepressants. Doctor am I'm not clinically depressed. I'm p owed. I'm tired. I'm drained. I'm at another dead end. Please explain how the numbing of my emotions will help. clinical depression, which I have no diagnosis for a side helped me understand when shedding tears became an illness and showing sadness became shameful. There I was feeling beaten down. And just because I exhibited a shred of emotion. The doctor with a sleight of hand was scribbling out a solution to not cure my illness or even eliminate my symptoms, but rather to send me to the kingdom of nub. Rather than spend the time to deal with the underlying issues. She prescribed a way for my emotions to vanish quickly. So, I declined the antidepressant Blue Light special, grabbed my bag and proceeded to the parking lot vowing to take back my power. In the days and weeks that followed the doctor's appointment, I began asking, seeking and knocking. I researched with an unflagging resolve and made one small change to my lifestyle after another. What followed suit knocked my toxic socks off. And less than a year, my health did a 180-degree turnaround. And today we have a doctor with us who understands the power of getting to the root of illness firsthand. Dr. Nash graduated magna laude from the University of Pennsylvania, and then from Cornell Medical College after emergency medicine residency in New York City. She practiced in Los Angeles until becoming severely ill as a result of complex medical condition known as chemical sensitivity or environmental illness. Dr. Nash is the vice chairman of the integrative medicine Consortium. She's a member and the communications liaison for the American Academy of Environmental Medicine. She's the president of educational, nonprofit preventative, and Environmental Health Alliance, and a member of the NIH roundtable on building and health and the CDC national conversation on chemicals and health. Welcome to the show. Dr. Nagy. Dr. Lisa Nagy It's great to be here. And I gotta say, when you read that little vignette about the female patient who was in the doctor's office, me, me, I was I went, yeah, I went to a neurologist with my hopes up that he would figure out what was wrong with me. And I ended up getting so angry and crying and I wouldn't leave the office without some sort of a clue to diagnosis. I became relatively hysterical because I was on death's door. And I couldn't cope with a doctor who just wanted to walk away because it was too overwhelming and doctors aren't paid enough to do a two- or three-hour appointment. And that first appointment, you need a lot of time to do an environmental history and the doctor was paid, you know, 1100 dollars, let's say, then they would be happy to keep talking to the patient. If that makes sense. That makes sense, right? They need to get you out of the office. And the easiest way is to think of a solution that would make the patient feel better, right, quick and easy. And it's going to be a prescription because they don't have any idea what's going on. It's too confusing, too upsetting and they're not being reimbursed to think about it or go even read about it. Lisa Beres Mm hmm. So Gosh, Doctor Nagy, thank you for sharing that. I mean, that was my story. And it gets obviously a lot deeper than that. You know, 12 doctors and she was one of the last doctors out of 12 doctors that I saw everything from acupuncturists and natural paths to endocrinologist and acupuncturist and energy healers. I went to everybody wish I knew you back then. But it's so interesting to hear your perspective as a doctor yourself. Dr. Lisa Nagy Whether it's something else I could comment because I'm a little bit in people's face sometimes and I stood up at the islands meeting years ago, because I see it from the patient point of view first, I think because I was sick and I was dying, and nobody really knew and nobody really cares about you, but yourself, you know, it's very hard to get well, when you're a doctor, you have the opportunity to do research and figure it out more so than a lay person. But then I didn't know about Integrative Medicine at all. So, part of it was bad for me because I had to learn. I didn't even know about acupuncture. So, I was doing all these therapies and, and seeking help, but it really, I was the slowest person in the world. But I did say this at the eyelids meeting, maybe to the shock of the poor. And so, the audience who is all physicians, you know, who are physicians, it's about money. You know, life is about money. So, doctors want to make money. In fact, my colleagues from Cornell, when I talk to them and their gynecologist or whatever, you know, they're practicing and they're so excited when they have something that they can offer patients that makes them money, not their breakthrough. Whether academic friends of mine or acquaintances of mine from med school who don't make much money, or they do research or they're just good eggs, and they're nerdy and they don't make much money, and then there are regular doctors who are very excited when they make a lot of money Wow, they want to make a half million dollar business, right? It's a business. I mean, I think years ago we watched that movie the business of being born. I don't know if you ever saw that documentary, talking all about the money kind of industry of having babies and also what c sections like how they really push c sections for right now. So, would you say like the doctors that don't accept insurance because we at least say that a lot in like integrative and functional MDS, like they just don't they don't accept insurance, and that's for that very reason that you're talking about. Yeah, so a cash patient means that the doctor can take the time that they want to have a nice long appointment for most people do an hour. I tend to leave for hours and I do most appointments for about three because I'm doing history, physical and then a break explaining the test. They're going to do the next day with saliva collecting 24-hour urine and what they're doing in the laboratory the next morning. So, there's a lot of chitchat about like those, what they call housekeeping, you know, like basics, and you don't want to be rushed. They're already stressed enough; they can't remember anything. So, it's typed out, you know what to do. And then I feel that the integrative physician got excited over the last decade or two, that they can make so much money because these people are so sick. So, I my push is that Environmental Medicine is more in depth in their approach than integrative medicine. It's a step further. Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay. So environmental considers things that integrative doesn't. And both of them should utilize things like assessing the hormones and doing hormone management or anti-aging, which I think is a bad name. But Environmental Medicine or the old altruistic doctors, their allergists, they learn to do hormone management. They do an allergy testing method called provocation and neutralization, which nobody else does, except for some ear, nose and throat doctors. Wow. So that's the crux of Environmental Medicine is me and an allergy peon and allergy testing. And I used to say, nobody gets well without the shots. So, it could be emphatic when a patient would call me, I helped about 6000 people before I worked because I was just sick, recovering, and I would guide people to go find a physician elsewhere. And in through the Academy of Environmental Medicine, I learned about all the other doctors and I visited them all and knew who did what, and then I would help people to go find help. And I used to say, nobody gets well without the shots. And I said it today to somebody who's got mercury issues and pain syndrome, and they're doing collation but yet neutralization allergy testing and treatment for mercury may be the key to somebody who has a Mercury problem because they can't get it all out right. A lot of its stuck in the tissues in the brain. So, if you don't understand the treatments that are different from a particular branch of medicine, then you don't know to go. And so, I'm you know, getting that out at the beginning is that environmental physicians look to the causes in more depth. But also, the treatments are a bit different. And some treatments are not available. Like I don't do every single treatment on demand. But if you want to go to Germany and do something, or you want to go to California and do something that I don't do, that's fine, and I can share the patient, right, and I'm going back to what I said I that the doctor needs to share the patient. It's not like the patient comes to you and it's a money mill. Yeah, and everybody wants to protect their income and not let that patient beyond their journey to the next position. And they will see the original physician for what they do. Wow. Okay, so that's a big concept of sharing a patient and not trying to pour them all so that if you're an environmental physician Your patient was too sick. They all went to Dr. Ray. Yeah, right. Everybody knew. Do you know Dr. Ray? Lisa Beres Yeah, for those of you who don't know, that are listening. Dr. Ray is an environmental Well, what he passed away a few years ago. But he ran the largest Environmental Health Center in Dallas. Right was I think that was what it was. Yeah. But it was called the Environmental Health Center. And yeah, it was world renowned, because no one was really doing anything like that. Dr. Lisa Nagy So, you know, I have the environmental health center of Martha's Vineyard named after, you know, Bill Ray's practice, and with His permission, and it's still there, and my friends are running it. They're two physicians who do a great job. And we have slightly different approaches. They have Dallas pollution, and I have Martha's Vineyard ocean air. So, patients do get very well here because half of their treatment can be just outdoor air and going to the ocean. Lisa Beres The ocean you still operate at that facility or no? I mean, on Martha's Vineyard, yes, yeah. Oh, okay. You said to other people rent it, I wasn't sure. Dr. Lisa Nagy Oh, gotcha, gotcha Ray passed away. And his clinic in Dallas is run by two physicians were very competent. And we all have different angles and different experience. My feeling is that if you didn't get really sick, you may not know as much as you need to know, in terms of how to get well. And so, because I was sick myself, a lot of people figure Well, if I got better, I might know something about getting better. You know, it's true. Yeah. Right. You know, and so a lot of integrative doctors, they got on the bandwagon with fish oil and beach well, but they didn't think they were really ill themselves. So, they're giving treatments but not necessarily understanding their cause. So, I get excited because there's no point in being boring. The Cross of Environmental Medicine, you know, I mean, it's exciting getting better, right? And if I can impart the excitement to you, then it's going to somebody will remember it. Yeah, you can get better but you need to this man, I was talking to Today, you need to get off your job and travel. It's not going to be in your town. Lisa Beres Yeah, you need to go to the specialist to write who deals with this. When you were talking about the shots, can you explain what you mean by that? Dr. Lisa Nagy Oh, and I have a bad memory sometimes. So, I'm going to repeat a finished my last sentence. The main thing you do is daily treatment when you go, oh, for weeks or months, Lisa Beres Okay, shots. Do you mean? Like IV treatment? Dr. Lisa Nagy I'm going to tell you; I'm going to get Okay. Okay. So, if you go somewhere for treatment, you can do two days where you get your history and physical, you get an adrenal assessment with a acth stimulation test on day two, maybe do IV vitamin C, and you can get all the blood work going, and then you can get urine and saliva. If you stay for a week or two, you get to the point of doing neutralization and provocation allergy testing. The first two are skin tests for histamine and skin test for serotonin. Each test takes 30 to 60 minutes, just for histamine So, you inject a little histamine and it makes a wheel that seven-millimeter size a little raised in the skin. It's called intradermal. Then you go and do 10 minutes later, you look at the wheel. And if it's grown to a nine-millimeter wheel, that's called positive. And then you can go to a more dilute solution, and you keep going down and dilution from 6789 until you get no we'll grow it stays seven millimeters, and then all the other wheels may shrink, which is the effect of the last wheel on the others. And the person who feels like cloud may have lifted feel good. So, I had neutralization for everything you know, histamine, serotonin, the molds, the pollens, the cat dander, the feathers, you know, 10 or 15 chemicals, but when they did formaldehyde skin testing on me, right, the cloud lifted. I looked at the magazines and there was a magazine rack in the room, not in Dallas, but another doctors and all of a sudden, I could tell the magazines no longer bother me because it must have been a chemical like formaldehyde in the magazines and I could just look at them and tell the smell of the magazine was lifted. It's also benzene you know an ink and there are other things, but I just knew that was the one that was going to help me Lisa Beres Now is that this wheel I've never had that done. I had the prick test on the back because that old school when they prick up your back, yeah, oh, they don't do that anymore? Dr. Lisa Nagy They do but that's traditional allergy. Okay, that's called rastus no so that the testing for scratch RAST, these are terminologies that are used in allergy practices. Were the quad AI the allergy group, doesn't like the Environmental Medicine group. They thought in the 1950s I believe about turf and then when the test I GE came out, which is like traditional allergy hives, and this contesting would be positive if you have a G and then the blood testing would be positive either. I G reaction, you could have anaphylaxis and that's related to histamine released in mast cell disorder and it's all tied in. In traditional medicine they believe that but if you talk about I GG testing in the blood for you eat too much beef and so you have an elevated I GG for beef. If you skin test the way I'm talking for neutralization provocation, we don't know how it works. It freaks out allergist and they don't like the turf battle for the money. Ron Beres Oh, that's right. Dr. Lisa Nagy So, if they had an allergy practice where they made money on provocation and neutralization or sublingual, which is now accepted, then they would like it because they're making money. So, my, my I'm going to interrupt one sec, my idea was to go to Medicare, and say if you covered pnn, young doctors would go into the field of Environmental Medicine, because they can make a living and be covered by insurance. And then it would open up the field for those that are disabled or elderly who have Medicare and then you know, other insurances would follow but BlueCross specifically won't cover provocation and neutralization. They have a whole paragraph on their website, why they don't cover intravenous vitamins. They won't pay for pasta title calling, they list these things. They know Environmental Medicine does it. So, if you don't get down to the specifics, when you and I talk, it's not as interesting because these things that you may have skipped or some other patient may have skipped. People don't even know unless you know if it's at the end of the lecture, who's going to remember? Right? Wow, gosh, so does did Medicare, Medicaid. Did they agree to cover it? No. I mean, I just talked superficially, when I was in Congress. I was there. Speaking at the Veterans Health subcommittee, and I did get them through a specialist at Stanford named Wesley Ashford, they were procreating. 100 million dollars for veteran�s toxic exposure research right after I presented. So, I was there for that reason, and you walk the halls of Congress and do what you can but I need support from like Liz Warren or somebody who actually Liz is great. I met with her in the hallway and I walked up to her and I said, I'm Dr. Nash. We met on Martha's Vineyard and took a picture. A bunch of my patients, you know, chatted with you and said, Listen to Lisa. And then I don't know, do you have a few minutes to talk and she talked to me for 30 minutes in the hallway. And my father was funny. He reminded me that's what a lobbyist. Lisa Beres That's funny. That's funny. Yeah, that is. Dr. Lisa Nagy The environment medicine lobbyists. But I never realized it's because you're, that's where you get people. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. So anyway, so I need support from people like that. And then Corona kind of gets in the way. So, you know, later we can talk about the interface between Environmental Medicine and Corona and the immune system, but go ahead. You have something else we should talk. Lisa Beres Yeah, I want to I want to get back to Coronavirus but let's start off with mold because I know that you, I happen to know a little bit about your background and that you had mold toxicity and home, you had mold exposure. And tell me a little bit more about that. And what happened was your whole family's sick. You know, how did how did you find it? And what did you do? Dr. Lisa Nagy Well, I didn't find any mold. When I was there. We had an aquarium shed built around a Walt Disney 5000-gallon aquarium with tanks and koi fish and a doctor had built it. And unfortunately, the doctor became impaired who sold me the house he was kind of crazy, agitated, kind of disorganized. So, I bought this great house with his big fish tank in the living room wall and a shed, you would walk around back and it smelled like an aquarium shed, but turns out he covered up the air intake for the house with the shed. So, the air intake came from the aquarium soul. Wow. Yeah. So, it didn't smell bad in my house. But basically, the spores that were created on the pine wood box of the shed came into the house and then right the house was contaminated, but I never know sold the house. We looking like I had a Lou Gehrig's picture. I had adrenal insufficiency, which is called Addison's disease and I had weak muscles couldn't chew, swallow. I was very confused. In fact, the Medical Society came to visit me and I said, I can't really pay my mortgage. It's like 3500 a month and I'm, I'm sure there's somebody else in it needs the money more than me and they wrote me a check for $10,000. Lisa Beres You're kidding. Oh, they donated Dr. Lisa Nagy 10 grand to me, because I look so bad. I was just out there in my bathrobe in the middle of the day, the heat was wiping me out. I didn't know what was wrong. And they thought I was sick, even though I thought, Oh, I must be depressed. Lisa Beres It was just depression. So, like, what were your first signs like adrenal burnout? What was your first symptom or kind of like, something is just not right, I'm going downhill here? Dr. Lisa Nagy Well, I was working in the emergency room. I'm an ER doc, and I couldn't push the heavy ultrasound machine. And when I would take the probe and put it on the belly, and to look at the gallbladder, my arm would get tired. Wow. And then I couldn't even bend down. If I was examining the patient, we do rectal exams and I was so tired. I couldn't even put my arm in the right position and bend to do a rectal exam when somebody was on their side I mean, I was so fried at work and I didn't recognize as a doctor that that was abnormal, you know. Lisa Beres Right you just thought maybe you're working long hours probably Dr. Lisa Nagy I don't know when it creeps up on you slowly over decades. Yeah. So, I was hypo adrenal and skinny and tan as a child, and I was not a runner. And I was, you know, I like to ride horses and ski. I do things that give me speed without having making me do the exercise. I ride horses I jump, right but I don't run and do the jumping. Okay. So, I didn't realize I was a mopey child and I love candy. And I was a whiner. You know, like a little. I just was a little bit like what clothes should I wear? You know, I couldn't decide anything. I was just and it's amazing. Yeah, I was gonna become a general surgeon. I did two years of trauma. Wow. And then I was operating for 14 hours and fainting and, you know, I didn't know you saying some of that started for you as Lisa Beres Okay, so this - what is that? Adrenal burnout? Dr. Lisa Nagy I don�t like the adrenal burnout term. I try to stay away from some buzzwords like detox. Can I use the word detoxification? adrenal burnout? Yeah, I mean, I was born thin and thin. People have thin adrenals. Okay, so you or anybody else who's then we've got thin adrenals obese people often have big plump adrenals Lisa Beres Do you know why I have noticed that because I will see, you know, heavyset people in like really labor-intensive jobs thinking, dang, they just have so much energy. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah, but they're, I look at them and think, oh, they're happy. They've got pudgy cheeks. You know, like Santa Claus. Lisa Beres So, can you think they'd be the tired ones? But yeah, that's so interesting that explains that. Dr. Lisa Nagy I have seen obese people with low adrenal function, but nevertheless, I'll be quick. over your lifetime, you have multiple exposures, and then they add up until you become so sick that you have to go find out why you can't you have pain or disability. So when I was a kid, I had bloody noses at the age of three and four, and that was mold exposure in Cleveland, and they had a stocky virus outbreak and all these kids had hemorrhagic pulmonary disease, it was published by the CDC and then retracted so there may be a stachybotrys problem in Cleveland with heating systems, I don't know but I was definitely suffering. My mom was crying and my dad was belligerent. And so those are the things that happen. men usually become angry around moldy Hall living in a moldy home and belligerent and then they lose their memory. Lisa Beres All the all the wives are going to be blaming this on mold now. Dr. Lisa Nagy There has been no but I wrote an article called mold and marital discord� Lisa Beres I actually remember that article in it because people about that, and they were like, wow, what I mean, you'd never really associate that with mold. There's the typical, like, hay fever like symptoms and all of that. But you know, think of like an emotional side of it. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. So, I, you know, I don't want to speak at the same time you are, but there's a Brown study, that's by tionesta that showed there's a 40% rate of depression if you live in a house with a mold problem. So, it's very closely associated with being sad. men get really angry, and then they can be completely unreasonable. They love red wine. They become addicted to red wine when they're a mold, Lisa Beres We do not have mold in our house, because we're white wine drinkers. Ron Beres Much better. I feel better. Dr. Lisa Nagy But you know, it's a pattern and not everybody is the same and personal situation. My memory went, you know, I couldn't read for three years. I couldn't remember names very well. And now I'm pretty sure, but I never had a good memory for names from birth. You know, so you know, when I was a little kid, I couldn't remember names or street names. So, we all have issues that are part genetic part environmental. And then when I moved into the house that had this more significant mold problem. On departure, I can now tell that that house, made my husband sick, made myself sick, gave him autoimmune disease, gave him memory loss gave him Parkinson's symptoms, we left the house, the car, wheeling and Parkinson's symptoms went away. What you can't, you know, it doesn't last forever, right. Sometimes people will get sick. So, I don't know about giving people advice when they're in a moldy environment, other than to say, not everybody has the drive to get well. And the women are good at it will save the kids. They'll flee the home, they'll get new clothes, they'll get a new car, they'll definitely get new clothes. Dr. Lisa Nagy You know, it's sad because the children will often be food allergic and they'll get tackled. cardia and anxiety, and I've now tied it into addiction. So, I really like to talk about that at the end. And if I could talk about one sad mole case, that's only like three sentences. You know, there's a Robert F. Kennedy is an environmental lawyer, and he did a book and a movie about the moldy mansion that they read did Lisa Beres Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? Or Dr. Lisa Nagy Yes. Okay. And I think they have six children. And yeah, they, his wife was married. And what they did was they put the house on stilts, and they gutted the first floor and removed it and rebuilt it. And then they did a book and a movie, and they talk about the mold and the house in Milan. Wow. And roast Iran, you know, had had the book and I got it from her and read it. She's a prominent person who's a friend of the Clintons on the vineyard. That is a good friend of my family. And so, I said, Oh, this is you know, what Mary was suffering from is and the children was mold exposure and how it affected them. And then Mary Had I guessed I'm drinking issue and some emotional issue and was a very nice person and she hung herself. Lisa Beres Yes, I remember that. Yeah. And it was so bizarre. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah, she hung herself the night that I was writing a speech for the Medical Society. When the time is now women will die. This is what I was writing why men were death came across the television at three in the morning because I always ran late. So, my mission is, you know, quite important, I feel that people who do not have the wherewithal to go to an environmental doctor and get well they do not see death coming. They do not see their addiction to, you know, alcohol and drugs as related to their environmental exposure. So right on it's really fun to fix people because, you know, I'm dating somebody, and that person quit drinking within five days of fixing the adrenal gland of replacing. Lisa Beres Yeah, he�s like, wow, now this is a girlfriend. I'm sticking with her. Yeah, even Suzanne Somers. Run and I know her and her husband they had mold issue. I don't know if you remember that was Yeah. Yeah, and in their home, I believe it was their Malibu home. Major mold issue. And as we know as building biologists and as you know, mold, you can have mold. You can have mold infiltrating your home and not even see it as if it's behind walls and under floors and behind cabinets, you can see just maybe a little bit of moisture. Dr. Lisa Nagy I think Suzanne Somers, you know, has some experience with a relative and knows Dr. Ray and wrote five pages in her book about Dr. Ray. But still, you don't go down to Dallas for a short period of time and get well so that dabbling and Environmental Medicine I tried to reach out and get her to give me a call so you can let her know I'm here. Lisa Beres Dr. Nagy, I want to interrupt you because we have a caller. And she's been holding for a little bit and she has her name is Annette. And she has a question for you. And that can tell you more about it. But she had mold exposure in a home that her parents were living in as well as mold toxicity so she has some questions for you. Hi, hi, Annette. How old are you? Caller, Annette I'm fine. 43. Okay, tell me your story. Well, I was caretaking for my parents over an 18-month period of time and I was living as well as cleaning out a Fully finished basement of a house. And it turns out that there was mold on in the house and I have a very high mold exposure and some pretty serious side effects from the exposure to the mold. I have a CNS disorder that's developed from exposure to the mold called dystonia, appearing most as a cervical dystonia. I saw somebody else who had a severe dystonia from mold, and then had an implanted device. Do you have one of those devices? Does that help? I have not gone to device yet. That would be a final step for me. I'm working right now on just some cognitive remapping therapy and it seems to be actually doing well. And the question I have for you, I've also gone on a mold project. Call and just two weeks on the three-month protocol, I'm already feeling better. But what I've observed is, with all the different environmental specialists, there seems to be a wide range of protocols applied to remove support from the body. Is there a best standard a gold standard? Or how do I decipher what's the appropriate protocol? Well, okay, here's my cynical comments. One, you're going to be perimenopausal so think hormones to living into basements always a bad idea. And if it smelled musty, always turn around and leave before you plant your flag and live somewhere you know, for the future. There are so many moldy buildings, right? It's hard to find one that isn't moldy in certain locations in the country. The protocol word I never use it. To me, it's always somebody who's trying to sound fancy like they're a famous practitioner and want to name a protocol after themselves. I think I should probably figure out how to name something after myself but we don't really have protocols and Environmental Medicine. Dr. Lisa Nagy You approach each patient and find out. What you want to do first, you got 10 treatments, or 15 things you can do, and you want to prioritize what the patient's issue is. So, you can't have the same treatment plan for everybody. Because if you've got dystonia and somebody else has suicidality, and somebody else has a heart rate of 150, everybody's going to have a different first day, but first treatment day, and you're not really dealing so much with spores in the body. So people feel like you know, they can tell how many spores are in their body or how many spores are getting exposed to but you may have mold growing in your sinuses or your lungs or you know, your GI tract or yeast, but you may not, you may just have toxins, and those toxins are chemicals and mold toxins called mycotoxins and they can be measured at three labs, RealTime Labs, Vibrant America, and Great Plains Laboratory and depends on which insurance you know if you have insurance or not, but vibrant really has a good panel that's cheap. When you see a physician, you don't really want to see a physician who says they have a mole protocol. It's like a buzzword for not doing the right thing. So, it's not just about cola styrene and binders, but that may help people. But it's the main thing is getting out of your moldy clothes, and making sure you don't have any furniture or the car anymore. That started the problem. Do you have any possessions that got exposed to mold? Caller, Annette We we're out of the house, any clothes that I was wearing during that time have gone in the garbage and a car associated with the house is no longer in the family. So, all possessions are anything that could be carrying as far as then dispose. Dr. Lisa Nagy Good, okay, because they're filled with this chemical stuff. So, there could be 15 different toxins and chemicals and spores in your stuff and they may have an odor Can you smell the paper? from your old days? Does it have an odor? Caller, Annette I'm sorry, I have nothing associated. At that time or that house, so yeah, all of that been discarded. But you're right, there was absolutely as I was going through, you know, boxes of clothes or things that my parents had stored, there was definitely a distinct smell to it, for sure. Okay, so the smell is helpful because then if you know if you can use your nose to identify something that's not good, then it means you have a good sense of smell, too. So, have you seen an environmental physician that's board certified by the American Academy of Environmental Medicine? This question number one, I have and you know, I apologize for using the word protocol. I see how that definitely triggered no expression. So yeah, actually, I did. I did quite a bit of testing over the last couple months through real time and as well great plains and really identified all the different aspects of my body that have been affected by the mold. So there absolutely is a dysregulation in my GI tract with the bacteria there is use presence or toxins present there's neurological damage. And it's interesting because the, I guess the question I had is, when I talk to the board-certified environmental toxins, specialists, they all have a different approach of how they want to tackle all the systems that are dysregulated. And I guess that's, that's where I kind of shrug and say, Oh, my gosh, I'm a scientist, but I don't know who has the right approach. They're absolutely all personalized. And that took months to pull together all the data to understand the full situation. Right now, when I'm in immunology. Dr. Lisa Nagy Immunologist, yes? Okay, so yeah, you're going to know more than they do. So, have you seen though, not somebody who's board certified and tox, but Environmental Medicine, not Occupational and Environmental, at a hospital? Those people do not like these cases. You want to see somebody from AAEM. Have you seen somebody from that group? Caller, Annette Yes, I'm working with somebody out of the Santa Monica. homeopathic farm. Received who is specifically focused on environmental toxins? Dr. Lisa Nagy But is it a doctor? Caller, Annette Yes, I've talked to the right people. And I think you've answered my question. Well, it's that this is a very personalized approach and difficult to tackle. Right. Dr. Lisa Nagy So, I didn't mean to be harsh, but I'm just trying to be specific to, you know, maybe find things that you haven't done that you can look forward to doing if you're not well. Caller, Annette So, yeah, that would be great. Dr. Lisa Nagy I would love it. I'm just very concrete. Yeah. Because otherwise it's, you know, too ephemeral. So, the idea is, you want to make sure you go to a place and get treated every day. So, before you got on, I don't know if you know what I know about getting well because I got sick. And I went to Dallas for three months. And I got better. It took about six years. And then I was able to work 1010 years after I went. So, I lost 10 years of my life, you know, $3 million in income. And, you know, I almost died from like a loop. exposure and mitochondrial damage and neurologic disease and I got better. So, it's totally possible. But as a physician, I knew what I needed to do once I found a place that knew what was wrong with me. I kind of dove in. So, you need to find that place for you. Dr. Oz got sick from mold exposure, which I don't think that you heard and that we were talking about that at the top of the show. I'm not sure if you heard that. Even as a physician, she got sick and went to the Environmental Health Center in Dallas, which was owned by Dr. William Ray who passed away. And if you want to tell her about your clinic, Dr. Nash? Well, I have a place where I treat people similar to Dr. Ray, but I feel I add a few things that are useful. And I was saying before that luckily, I got well because I'm on an island. There are no there's no diesel exhaust, and I was intolerant of pollution. So, I had to leave Los Angeles forever. Because of ozone. I couldn't do ozone. I couldn't be I was in a respirator when I left LA. So, I had a heart rate of 140 when I was near ozone, so you need to figure out where you're going to get treated, and where you're going to live. And what I usually say is that you're going to go somewhere, pay rent in one place, you know, don't pay rent at home, and then go somewhere for months for treatment. Don't get a new house yet you don't know what you need. So, this is to a new patient, you know who I'd be talking to on the phone doing a phone appointment. And then I tell them, you know, you can go to a hotel, get clean clothes, after four days, you're going to unmask and you're going to use no chemical products, nothing was sent no perfume. And you're going to eat organic on a four-day rotation, not having chicken more than once every four days, and everything else rotate at all. So, if these principles have been taught to you, then fine if they haven't, then then you're learning what you need to do. Then you need a charcoal mask and you need a respirator. If you unmask and become sensitive to chemicals. What are you going to do you're going to run out in the street complaining, oh my god, my apartment smells like carpet? No, you're going to put your mask on and figure out how to hunker down in a clean Oasis bedroom with a charcoal air filter that you've already pre purchased for $350 nothing fancy. And you're going to get well in your clean environment, avoiding chemicals and not eating pesticide food you got to lower your total load. And the other thing to do is order Mountain Valley Water and five gallons. Have you done any of those four things? Caller, Annette Yeah. So, the only thing I have not done is found myself the treatment planner. So, I have sold everything I own. My house, my boat, my cars, my clothes, everything gone. put myself into a clean environment. I'm in a temporary housing on the beach in Florida. As far away from everything as I could find. I am in a rental but I was very strict. When I moved here there are special happy Earth filters. I have charcoal filters all ever wear a mask all of that? I put nothing on my body. I'm eating completely clean. I'm on a fall, mob diet, something like that. So, but what I have not done is the final step of going in person for a few months to a treatment center. Dr. Lisa Nagy You may you may just need so you've done a good job and you've learned some stuff that's perfect. I the two books I recommend are living with a living with environmental illness by Stephen Adelson and Stephens with a Ph. And the first chapter tells you all the principles of Environmental Medicine, you may pick up some pointers, and the Oasis bedroom is on page 162. Nobody told me about the Oasis bedroom. I learned about it years later. So, it's kind of slow. You want no carpet in your Oasis bedroom, hard floor, preferably not wood and definitely not a polyurethane that has oil base. So, you really yeah, so you really want you know tile or marble. And then the charcoal air filter I recommend his Aireox and then there's Austin air. And then there's a new one I've been using Lisa Beres IQAir actually is really good. Dr. Lisa Nagy But they're big, you know, the Aireox small, and it's very quiet for the bedroom. And then you can use the bigger ones, you know, in the living room and upstairs and downstairs, you can have bigger ones all around. And then there's an environment cleanse is mineral base, but works really well. So, I have one of those. And they're like 650. And they work clean up, like the smell of terpenes or wood in a very large treatment room I have that has a little bit of wood, and it just makes everything evaporate. So that's good. But the rotational diet was in the book, alternative approach to allergies by Randolph, everybody needs to buy it, memorize it. So, he was the father of Environmental Medicine and he treated Bill Rae for pesticide exposure with his child. Bill Rae lived in a tent outside the house, I think, for years getting better. And then that's why Bill and I are so motivated because no one should go through what Annette and I are going through, right? It's awful. Lisa Beres It's awful and gosh Dr. Nagy, that's Caller, Annette Awesome and Net since you're in Florida, you're not really too far from Martha's Vineyard. I thought you were on the west coast. So, you know, I'm, I'm already making the steps and like what happened to Nash and I'm sure other people, this has knocked me out of my life, right? I mean, I was a senior executive, you know, 20 years into biotech startup, as at the top of my game, and just at the time, where my impact was the worst, I couldn't get out of bed. I was completely wiped out. Dr. Lisa Nagy Well, I want to interrupt because I know she wants me to talk about some other stuff as well, but intravenous vitamins every day or every other day for two weeks, you may have done it, intravenous alpha lipoic acid, very helpful for neurologic disease, do it. Not that many practitioners do it, it's not that hard. And possibly title calling can be helpful but not so helpful. If you've got Corona it's not good. And then You need to go and do the allergy testing oxygen fix your hormones see if you have dysautonomia and if you listen to the rest of the podcast we may you know discuss other things but if you go to I have a website with free videos and so you know you can learn by reading and watching the videos and then you don't have to spend so much money on people to tell you stuff. Ron Beres What is that website? Dr. Lisa Nagy I was going to say I just it's my name. LisaNagy.com and you know names may change but so far that's what it is. And there's office video one which is clean air food and water like 10 or 15 minutes and then there's office video two is adrenal office video three is dysautonomia, and office video for I think I touch on sauna and oxygen. And maybe I talked about the allergy testing and I'm supposed to do number five. Maybe you know, this afternoon I'll get inspired to talk about Coronavirus. Yep, maybe supplements for the immune system. Lisa Beres Yeah, we're going to get into that we're gonna get into that in the show. So, the infrared Sauna treatment Have you been doing that and that? Caller, Annette Yeah, I have I mean, what I'm hearing is I think its really time to go to a center where I'm in person to pace the pace for three months. And I can just hear rather than just dabble here and there. Yeah, I have that care. Yeah, exactly. I'm not making any progress Dr. Lisa Nagy If you have neurologic disease like I did, I knew I was going to die. And I wasn't going to screw around so you don't care about. I didn't even waste money before I went. Luckily, I was saying, you know, a patient called me today and said, I've spent 300,000, which is what I hear all the time. And then they come to me when they're destitute, which is really lovely that I take care of people sometimes for free. But I don't have a big, you know, I'm not into mass production of patience. And if you want to get better, you pick a place. There is Lieberman in South Carolina, that he's retiring and he has nice colleagues there. They have a center I think it's 5000 a week. There's Environmental Health Center, Dallas, there are people in Buffalo and you know, various areas around the that do somewhat daily care. But I'm telling you that if you do sauna and you're not ready, it'll make you worse. Don't do sauna if you're sick. Don't do anything like that without your doctor who's an expert and picking you up after sauna with an IV or oxygen, so you don't get worse because you can get very sick within a few saunas if you don't know what you're doing, because all your toxins are coming out toxins coming out. Yeah, and then like political, so Dr. Nash, do you have a center where people actually stay for extended periods of time, I have a little bit of housing I have like four units. You know, I have a couple places where people can stay that are like Oasis bedroom setups, welcome nontoxic paint and you know, hard floors and then the air outside is perfect, right? Yeah, right close to the ocean. They can go sit at the ocean and then we do oxygen IVs allergy testing, sauna, hormone management, dysautonomia management and I'm sure you know, a couple energy treatments that you can do, but I'm really, you know, I'm not in it for the money and I do take insurance. So, you know, you're going to spend between some people will spend 2000 to come for a couple of days and get all that testing done. But then after they're there, you know, they could be there for two to four weeks or eight weeks, and maybe spend one to 3000 a week. It depends on if they want to do the IVs. So, I have a friend going to some spa right now for $5,000 to do ozone, but it's not really about the treatments that we offer and making all the patients do whatever it is we have. It's really about figuring out what that patient would benefit from how much money they have to do it and then how fast or carefully you need to get in there it Can you do it fast or do you have to do it over six months, you know, and then just start and then sometimes people get a lot better within the first three or four days especially if they're hypo adrenal, and you give them cortef is like life changing in 10 minutes. Lisa Beres Wow. Very exciting. And that Did that answer your questions, or is there anything else you wanted to ask? Caller, Annette Oh, yes, it answered. So many I have much reading and studying to do. But yeah, they say I would love to be put in touch so that I can continue this conversation after the podcast. Lisa Beres Okay, excellent. Yeah, well, well, in the show notes, we'll put Dr. Rogers website and the books that she recommended and all of that and feel free to reach out to me or Ron directly with any questions. That was great. Thank you so much for your call. Well, that was really interesting. I know. We learned a lot. And I'm sure everyone listening did do. Ron Beres We got to be like a fly on the wall of Dr. Nagy�s office. Lis Beres Yeah, exactly. So, thank you, Annette. Appreciate. Ron Beres Dr. Nagy. So, what effect does our home and toxin exposures from our home have on our immune system, in addition to like what you've already covered? Dr. Lisa Nagy Well, I mean, what we've seen specific, I like specifics, because it's more interesting than, you know, General terminologies of descriptions. So, what you see in mold patients sometimes is a decrease in the white count to below three, or at least both for that's very common and it takes years to resolve, if ever, the platelet count can drop as well. So, you know that the bone marrow is being affected by the mold toxins. And sometimes it's like benzene, which affects bone marrow. So, all the hematologist and oncologist learned that benzene and ink. I had a guy actually in medical school, who had a plastic anemia. And he sold magazines on the street in New York City, one of those little shacks, and I had it he was Egyptian, and I had to get somebody to come over and give them a bone marrow transplant from Egypt, you know, a relative, and that was my internship, you know, I remember or maybe it was third year of medicine, and, you know, medical school. And it was a fascinating case, but now I really see that all the time. I see people who have a failure of their bone marrow due to exposure. And the main thing is, you do enough testing to figure out what the exposure is to get rid of it because if they're in Alabama, and it's a Gasoline station that's got water. The water is contaminated below a gasoline station, let's say. And the benzene and gasoline are affecting the inhabitants and they all get bone marrow failure, but they keep going back to work, then they'll never get well and they'll die from it. Ron Beres Right? I just see my grandparents actually grew up next to a gas station. Now that could be not a good mix there. Lisa Beres So, we talked about mold in the home. But what about mold in schools, which is the problem and this is so interesting, but how is this linked to drug and alcohol use? Not only if you have mold exposure in your home, but in schools as well? Dr. Lisa Nagy Well, I didn't really finish up the immune system very well, but I'll just say that I do I GG levels and I ag MMA and sometimes you'll see these patients have low IGA, G and so that is treated with an IGA injection intramuscularly and sometimes, if they have a bad neurologic disease or bad polyneuropathy they can get intravenous gamma globulin at $25,000 a drip at the home. Yeah, but paid for by insurance. Oh wow. It's curative in some diseases. So, there are definitely immune problems with natural killer cells going down. The body won't fight viruses like Corona, or bacteria like Lyme disease as well, when they have mold exposure first. And so that was my big pitch to eyelids. That line group years ago, when you think chronic Lyme think molds first, and okay, because they're usually admixed to now, I'm very pleased to say that the islands group has like five or 10 mold speakers every year now, and I was the first one there. And I brought Dr. Ray and I talked last year about EMF and so in schools, we're talking about addiction. We're talking about mold, and we should add an EMF electromagnetic force or frequency. And that's because industrial Wi Fi in a kid's school, and mold exposure if the roof was leaking, and like on Martha's Vineyard, we have a number of schools that have mold problems. They want to build a $44 million new. Have a tool and then they're deciding, oh, they can keep the old one, which is ridiculous. And then the high school here has mold problems. And I see children a lot with a heart rate of 130 or 150. And it's called dysautonomia from the mold. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So no, that's, yeah. So postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome or Potts is a very common neurologic disease which this lady could have multiple neurologic problems. You don't just get one in Burma medicine, you know, you're going to find 15 problems if you examine the patient and talk to them. So, when you stand up, and you're a thin woman, especially, and you fold your arms, and your pretzel your legs. Lisa Beres That's me. I'm pretzeling right now. Yeah. I know when I first met you, Dr. Nagy, you pointed that out. We were standing talking at a conference and you said you're pretzeling your legs No, but you know, it's, I still think about that, you know? Dr. Lisa Nagy I'm so rude. The thing is if you became disabled, then you would have called me or you would have read about dysautonomia. You had a resource, I let you know, right. Yeah, if you had a problem, then you had a clue of what was the problem, but you can pretzel and just go on in life. But if you start getting palpitations and I hit the microphone, sorry, but if you get palpitations and you get anxiety when you release the adrenaline to keep the heart going so fast, that's the problem. So, the is very interesting. Lisa Beres Interesting. Okay, so the heart so a symptom of the dysautonomia is heart palpitations upon standing up or? Okay, and then what was the other thing the heart? Dr. Lisa Nagy The blood is gonna pull in the legs, the legs will be a little, sometimes reddish or bluish, and it's a neurologic problem from the brainstem. And the nerves going down the spinal cord aren't telling the veins of the legs to constrict, so they're dilated, but you don't see it. You don't see dilation. Mm hmm. compression socks Treat it in part, an abdominal binder like a back support. Okay, crank it tight and that constricts the veins of the gut. Oh, wow. Don't if you don't do that when you eat a meal, you could fall asleep afterwards. Lisa Beres Oh, so that could be associated with people who get sleepy after they eat. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. And I used to mute a sweater. I used to get really cold after eight for 10 years. And I had a heart rate of 95 when I was in college, we did a Biola you know, some biology study, and everybody else had a heart rate of 72 when I had 95, I had to start and I always had a Tab remember tab? Lisa Beres Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, diet drink with artificial sweetener. Dr. Lisa Nagy I used to drink tab because it constricted. It had caffeine it constricted my veins. And I needed a sip, you know, every 30 minutes. Mm hmm. And now, I lecture on dysautonomia for mold exposure. So, mold exposure can give you just dysautonomia and adrenal insufficiency by damaging the adrenal and I think I've discovered this in the literature that the two of them coexist in chronic fatigue patients, oh, I was going to ask you that. Lisa Beres So yeah, so that would go hand in hand. There's so much chronic fatigue today. Right? I mean, do you see that? Dr. Lisa Nagy If it's the same thing, it's environmental illness? It's environmental illness? Lisa Beres No, I'm getting to the root, right, like Dr. Lisa Nagy 90% of them have mold exposure. So, you know, you know, doctor did a study Brewer, and he studied his chronic fatigue patients, and most of them had mold toxins. Ron Beres So how does mold lead to greater increases susceptibility to COVID-19? Or Corona theoretically, how does that lead to it? Dr. Lisa Nagy What I didn't really get to do addiction. I'm sorry, we didn't about addiction. Ron Beres COVID on the brain, so I apologize. Dr. Lisa Nagy Okay, so we got six minutes. I know we have 11 minutes so I can do both. Ready. Okay, ready? Okay. So, when you need constriction of your veins and you don't get the drug meta dream to do the construction, you'll get addicted to caffeine, nicotine, cocaine or amphetamines. Okay, yeah. Now when you get dysautonomia, you got to pump out a lot of aldosterone which is the adrenal hormone to hold on to salt, water and volume. So that you know gets you hydrated, you can stay, your heart can stay full. So, when your body says I can't make aldosterone anymore, I'm fried. You burn out the adrenal, you can't make the cortisol or they all dosterone anymore. So, you crave sugar because cortisol handles sugar regulation, or you crave alcohol, which is a quick sugar. So, these people turn into I'm eating sugar. I'm eating donuts. Today I'm drinking alcohol, and I need vasoconstriction from those stimulants, and then what I figured out is that people with low adrenal function like real Addison's, they feel really good on heroin and narcotics. So, they don't know they need steroids. They prescribed hydrocortisone. They just know when they try narcotic pill for a broken ankle, they feel normal. They always say I feel normal. And heroin makes them feel good when they have Addison's. Lisa Beres Is that why there's such a problem with people getting addicted to these medications? Like after surgery? There's really an underlying issue that has Oh, yeah. Be your mini assistant. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. So that's how I decided to you know, because when you look at things with environmental eyes, whether it's, you know, mental issues or stress issues or digestive issues, or addiction, there's always an environmental health angle to talk about it. And this is the way that I thought, Liz Warren, for example, would be interested because you had a $1 billion, you know, addiction bill, and so the VA is interested because everybody's addicted to something but if you could put them on hormone supplements and fix them so that they don't have the dysautonomia, I give them good compression socks and treat and explain these six things make dysautonomia worse, so avoid them when a storm is coming. And the barometric pressure drops, you'll feel more tired like lying in bed and that's why cows lay down. I think I've discovered Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. And I write about it. And they said, oh, maybe the whatever. But it's because of the vino dilation. You have less pressure on the on the legs of the cow. So, they're like, wow, dilate, I want to lay down. The other things that make it worse are a big meal, standing up a long time, heat, exercise and stores, going into a store with a high chemical load, like a home improvement store. You breathe in the chemicals; it affects your nerves. Your veins dilate, and then I would need a wheelchair to be out in like a Home Depot or something. Lisa Beres Yeah. So, because we got to wrap up, but I want to I we definitely have to have you back. I mean, there's just so much great information. Tell us since Corona is on everyone's mind right now and just to kind of sidetrack with just Corona specific, are there over the counter supplements that people can do to help prevent viral infections? Not just Coronavirus, but any viral infection. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. Because if you if you say it's effective for Corona, you get arrested apparently. So, I'm not going to say, okay, anything is I? Yeah, it's a crazy thing that some doctor was doing vitamin C drips and mentioned that would help you if you had a viral infection, including Corona and, you know, they went after him. So, you know, I'm not that stupid, but I'm seeing it all over. Lisa Beres I'm seeing it being censored all over the internet, vitamin D and vitamin C, any mention of that? They just Dr. Lisa Nagy It�s totally ridiculous because first of all, there's freedom of speech. And second of all, there are studies. So, the studies are out of China, that vitamin C intravenously helps in Corona patients� period. There's a study going on in I want to say North Shore but somewhere on Long Island in New York, New York state that they are doing an intravenous vitamin C study. So period, if you get sick and you want to do vitamin C prophylactically or if you get a little bit sick, and the wife of the Cuomo, let's see Cuomo, his brother, who is on television. Yeah. Got Corona from him. And she went on and did a YouTube video saying that she did one vitamin C drip, and did have dramatic improvement. So that's great. Yeah, so she's believable. She was a nice person. And probably he didn't do it right. She's the woman. She believed that her integrative doctor should come over and do a drip and she probably had $300 to do it. Not everybody has that. But if it was covered by insurance, that people could do IV drips a few times if they got sick. That may help them from going to the hospital number two, yeah, well, vitamin C is obviously helpful, you know, one or 2000 a day, 4000 a day, whatever you want to take buffered is better because it alkalizes you. Lisa Beres Those vitamin therapy clinics, they popped up on every street corner, especially here in California, and to be honest, they're pretty reasonably priced. So just go braid. I mean, is that what we're talking about? Dr. Lisa Nagy When I do a drip, I'm doing preservative free usually. And I'm adding taurine, inositol, magnesium, and glutathione and other things. So that makes the drip more expensive because it's free, you can only open one bottle at a time, you know, per patient. So, you can you know, you can I think the drips are 500, a New York Times now 300 I used to charge 125 bucks, but I realized I was actually losing money on what I'm putting in the draft. So, it depends on what you're putting in what the price of the drip is because the vitamin C should be about 15 to 25 grams. But in a sensitive patient, you start lower and just one thing and then you add every 10 minutes or every day. You can add things to make sure that patient is tolerating what you're giving. So, it's different for people who quote think they're totally healthy and then just need a little boost. They can probably do anything anywhere. And the other things that are useful is there is a vitamin D study. It's obvious that vitamin D has been shown to show a double low vitamin D doubles your mortality, I believe in a study on vitamin D. So, everybody should take. I use 50,000 from biotech, and you know it's a doctor purchase that you can get regular vitamin D at 5000. a day. Lisa Beres We�re taking five that Ron and I are taking the 5000. 50,000? Dr. Lisa Nagy Yes. 50,000 is one every two weeks if you don't know what your level Oh, okay, because it's only $24 for a year and a half. So, you know, I'm a very thrifty half Jewish girl, and I like a bargain. So I picked you know, 50,000 and a little teeny capsule because then every other day, you could take co q 10 600 milligrams, and that waste your swallowing of the vitamin D, you know, you only have so many things you want to swallow per day. And then CDP Coleen is a new supplement that had a great lecture at Great Plains labs by the director there and it showed me really promising results in people with other coronavirus infections. And it's used for memory. So, I bought it from I think called Carlisle online. It's going to sell out now, but I already bought $1,000 worth. So, it is like 500 milligrams and you can take 250 to 500 milligrams a day from memory. What is that called again, c d. p. Coleen, CH o Li ne, and it helps with memory. But Dr. Shaw was lecturing about how it helps in spider bites, rattlesnake bites, and multiple sclerosis and other conditions where there's an inflammatory marker that's released that they used to measure their lab and now they're not measuring it this week. It just stopped, but it's called p two, and P two goes down when you take CDB coli. So, if you get Corona, I would be taking it beforehand, and I would definitely add it to your regimen as well as zinc and colostrum. Dr. Lisa Nagy And then colostrum is from breast milk and it's in the cow. They put it in a capsule. Instead of going to the baby cow it goes to you and it increases your rgg so I use what is your igd? Dr. Lisa Nagy IGG is made by B cells, it's antibodies. Okay, so you make antibodies to everything you're exposed to and they fight bacterial infection. Oh, some people have a low congenital idg and you need to draw the blood to find out who's walking around with no idg they're giving ibig to some of the corona patients they are giving steroids. Ah, this is where I win the prize right? You're giving Sally Metro to Corona patients in ICU with very good results. So that means are they hypo adrenal patients that happened to get Corona yet probably. Okay, so you don't want to be hypo adrenal and walking around in society. Those are the ones who are going to die. Oh wow. Any virus with influenza gets when your hypo adrenal, you go into shock you drop your blood pressure when you get a viral infection or a bacterial infection, you have trauma. So, all my patients have a bracelet I have Addison's. Give me hydrocortisone 100 milligrams. So, if you have Corona, and you take oral steroids at a low dose, maybe hydrocortisone and not prednisone, maybe friendzone. I don't know. Maybe that will save you from hospitalization. days later. Yeah. Anyway, I'll end on that note. Lisa Beres This is so great. I don't want to end this conversation. We could go on and on. I mean, I guess really the underlying thought here, if we could sum it up, I would say, from based on what you've said, is, be proactive with your health and get these things tested, and then see an environmental MD, because you could be getting these illnesses and never getting to the root of what is causing them right. So, at the end of the day, take proactive approach with your health. Don't wait till you're sick, and then go look for the quick fix, which is what the majority of people do. Dr. Lisa Nagy Yeah. We all try to get By I mean even I tell my patients that they can't have wine. But tequila is pretty good for people because they're not allergic to cactus. So, I'm a practical person that people want to have fun. They want to enjoy their life. Dr. Lisa Nagy Well, and also the men who are with the women, they will engage if you talk about, you know, sexual activity that it's going to get better your wife's going to be fun, try oxytocin, try testosterone, if it's low, if you engage that man and he gets something beneficial out of his participation in his wife's health, they both sail off into the sunset and happy. Lisa Beres I hear it. I hear the message here. Ron Beres So oral via vitamin C, what is the threshold you said? 4000. You know, I've heard you can't say more than 2000 3000 it's really quick. I What? What's your thought on that? Dr. Lisa Nagy It gives diarrhea from vitamin C. It's too much because orally you can't take more than one two or 3000 4000 at a time. So, if you want to tolerate more per day, because you've got a virus, you got to space it out every time before hours. Yeah, man you can take, you can take 1000 every two hours, if you can't take 2000 and you could take, you know, easily people take 1000 a day, if they're sick, I don't have the energy to do it. But it depends if it's buffered, and whether it'll give you diarrhea and if you're also taking magnesium, which I recommend like magnesium glycinate, or, or if you get diarrhea from that magnesium orotate. And then there's tri salts, and that's for raising the salt level. So, all of those things lead to loose stools. So, if you're taking things that give you loose stool, you can't take them all and then go do anything. Lisa Beres Yeah. Is that why the IV the IV vitamin C, you can take higher doses you're not going to have issues. Dr. Lisa Nagy And if it doesn't give you diarrhea at all. Okay, Lisa Beres I think we'll end on that note. Ron Beres No diarrhea. Lisa Beres Oh my gosh, this was so amazing. Thank you so much, Dr. Nash. I mean, this was just a wealth. You're such a wealth of knowledge. 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