91: Lyme, Mold & Environmentally Acquired Illnesses

Narrarator 0:04

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Ron Beres 0:49

The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest his patience in the care of human frame and diet. And in the cause and prevention of disease. - Thomas Edison. I couldn't think of a more fitting quote to open today's show. This episode is for anyone listening, who has been failed by the Western approach to medicine, a system that only addresses the symptoms of disease, and it's a late stage complications without addressing the diseases underlying causes.

Lisa Beres 1:23

Did you know that conventional labs miss 50% of Lyme cases, if you've been diagnosed with environmentally acquired illness or Lyme disease or suspect that you have either you don't want to miss this show, we're going to cover the eight signs that your aches and pains may be due to Lyme disease and other tick borne infection. So stay tuned as we discuss an integrative approach to care including something called Chinese medical energetics. Our guest today Dr. Emily Rowe is the co founder of the Miami Beach comprehensive wellness center.

Ron Beres 2:02

Emily T. Rowe graduated from the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine in 2004. With a doctorate degree, and after a brief time in the field of Internal Medicine, she became frustrated with the Western approach to illness, she realized that she was being trained to treat the symptoms of disease and its end stage complications, while failing to address its root cause. Inspired to find a comprehensive and definitive way to heal her patients. She went back to school and completed her master's degree in Chinese herbal medicine and acupuncture with a Master's of oriental medicine and 2009.

Lisa Beres 2:43

She specializes in the treatment of complex chronic medical illnesses, including autoimmune disease, chronic pain, Lyme mold and environmental toxins using a comprehensive range of therapies including ozone therapy, functional medicine assessments, platelet rich plasma and stem cell therapies.

Ron Beres 3:05

Dr. Rowe also holds certifications in yoga, hypnotherapy and shamanism, which he also uses to treat her patients seeking an alternative to the inadequacies of routine medical care. Welcome to the show, Emily. Yes.

Dr. Emily Rowe 3:25

Oh, it's such an honor to be with you guys. And I can tell you guys are a lot of fun and very cutting edge.

Lisa Beres 3:31

Thank you. We had a little conversation at the beginning before we started and yeah, she's listened to some of our what should we say controversial episodes that our listeners are familiar with.

Dr. Emily Rowe 3:42

Those were my favorite ones. Those are the ones that I zeroed in on.

Lisa Beres 3:46

The taboo topics. But welcome, Emily, we are so thrilled to have you with us today, just in reading your bio, and that was only a smidgen of it. You are obviously well versed and well educated and I love how your career have pivoted based on not just saying this is what I'm going to set out to do even if I don't feel like it's going in the right direction that you said, hey, no things aren't really going like this isn't what I expected. I'm gonna go these different routes. And so anyways, we're really thrilled to have you with us today. And I want to just dive right in because you suffered from chronic Lyme disease. I've known a lot of people who have I mean, I don't know how common it is, but love to hear your story of what happened in the journey.

Dr. Emily Rowe 4:31

So I don't know when I acquired Lyme, but I suspect it was as a very small child. I grew up in Florida, but then we moved to Pennsylvania, and my mother loved hiking in the woods. It was like her way to get in touch with nature and have her spiritual side and she would take us on weekends hiking in the woods. I never recall having a tick bite.

Ron Beres 4:54

Have you ever seen a tick on your body before or on someone else's?

Dr. Emily Rowe 4:58

On other people's yes and I had dogs and I picked a lot of ticks off my dogs.

Ron Beres 5:03

Right? With the lighter, right. That's how you get them off. I grew up in the Northeast as well. So I definitely had ticks in my life too. So it's really gross when you catch them. And they're, they've just lodged themselves from an animal yourself. And they're just bloated, filled with blood, right? This was on my bodies. Yeah, I've had it in my head, too, as a child. So I sympathize with you Emily, like you were in Pennsylvania, I was in the Virginia area. We all still get those ticks. And we gotta be careful, because at the end of the day, right things like Lyme disease, that's tough.

Dr. Emily Rowe 5:32

Well, and you know, there is an art to taking the tick off, there's certain things you do and don't do. And then nowadays, they didn't have this when we were kids, but you can send the tick off to labs to be tested. So you know, if like, your kid needs to be treated, if you need to be treated, needs to be treated. And it can prevent somebody from having years and years of chronic pain. There's a lab that's called Pennsylvania tick lab, it's free for anybody who lives in Pennsylvania. And then if you live in another state, I think it's like $50, I'm not sure I'd have to check the price. But you mailed a tick off to them. If they just test for Lyme, which is Borrelia, only, it's a certain price. And then if you want coinfection testing, because there's other infections that ticks can carry, not just Lyme. So Lyme, by definition is only Borrelia burgdorferi. Whereas there's other co infections like the Vizia Bartonella, you can have Powassan virus, there's all sorts of other things. And so some ticks will carry multiple infections, some will just carry one. So I actually had three infections, simultaneously, some chronic viral stuff, and then a lot of GI parasites. So I essentially had a petting zoo. At one point.

Lisa Beres 6:47

You were hosting a lot of guests, unwanted guests.

Dr. Emily Rowe 6:50

I had chronic pain for years, I would get fatigue, that would hit me. And the main sign that you have Lyme is muscle pain that comes and goes so like one week, your back will go into spasm. And then it gets better. And then the next week, all of a sudden your knee swells up to the size of your head, and then it's better. And then you get the ankle pain. And you get like just systemic joint stuff. And the reason why is the Lyme bug will actually create an enzyme called College knees, that breaks down your collagen. Oh, so that's part of the pathomechanism.

Lisa Beres 7:25

Nobody wants that we're trying to get on college.

Dr. Emily Rowe 7:28

Exactly. So the migratory joint pain is pathognomonic of line. And then chronic fatigue that doesn't get better with rest. Often people have neurocognitive symptoms, they have brain fog, or they're just not mentally clear.

Lisa Beres 7:44

I feel like you describe so many people, right?

Ron Beres 7:47

I was like she described Lisa me my neighbor. No joke. Yeah, I feel like that's a big diagnosis. Right? It's a lot of people that. When you said joint pain that migrates I was actually wondering, is there any sort of connection to Lyme disease and Gout or is that were off.

Dr. Emily Rowe 8:02

So Gout is elevation of uric acid, and the uric acid forms crystals in the joint. I have never seen a connection between Gout and Lyme, I have seen a connection between Gout and elevated heavy metals, particularly lead. And we had one client, oh, this poor guy. He was young, he was in like, early 30s. And he was coming in with horrendous joint pain. And we tested him for heavy metals. And he was off the chart in Latin, you can go to like PubMed, like NIH, and type in gout and lead and like tons of stuff show up. And it's legit. It's just not part of mainstream medicine. But this poor guy, he was taking Turmeric that wasn't tested for heavy metal toxicity. And what will happen is the Turmeric will clean the heavy metals out of the soil. And so you really have to be careful with supplements that you get.

Lisa Beres 8:58

Ah, that makes sense.

Dr. Emily Rowe 9:00

So he actually gave himself and he had the genetic predisposition for Gout. Now, so I've never seen Gout associated with Lyme, but I have seen pseudo gout associated with Lyme and pseudo Gout is an autoimmune disease where you get a different type of crystal not uric acid crystal that develops in the joints, and it's often misdiagnosed as Gout. But the crystals like refract in a different direction than the Gout crystals when you look at among under a microscope.

Lisa Beres 9:27

Okay, Ron, no more questions. We want to hear Emily.

Ron Beres 9:30

Sorry, I'm sorry.

Dr. Emily Rowe 9:32

I love the tangents. No, I'm all good. But anyway, I had chronic pain. For years. I suspect I had autoimmune disease for years. When I was in medical school, I was really having trouble functioning. I was having debilitating headaches, migraines, I would always get worse with menstrual cycle, which is also a sign of Lyme. You know, I went to the school provided us all the students with a doctor and they're like, Oh, you're just stressed out. You need this and I depressed. So you're just depressed because you're in med school, and all you do is study and take care of sick people. And you know, this person was my mentor, I believe them. So, you know, I took the antidepressant unnecessarily. And somehow I made it through school, but I was brewing autoimmune disease for years.

Lisa Beres 10:15

So since you were little.

Dr. Emily Rowe 10:17

And then when I was in residency, I developed a bad gastrointestinal bleed. And I was diagnosed with Crohn's, they offered me some medications, but I didn't want to take them because the medications, one of the side effects was that it could cause cancer.

Lisa Beres 10:36

So okay, that's a side effect. All right.

Dr. Emily Rowe 10:39

I've actually had cancer three times. So thank God, I never took it off. Because I might not have survived. I've had breast cancer, colorectal cancer, and I also had thyroid cancer. Also, before I went to med school, I used to do cleanup of nuclear waste sites. And I worked with uranium on a regular basis, I was getting my PhD in this thing called microbial bio remediation where we use microbes to clean up toxic waste sites. So I did have a huge toxic exposure, which is part of also why I'm very interested in environmental medicine and how we can get sick from this type of stuff. But when I got diagnosed with Crohn's, I started going to acupuncture, just out of desperation. And it helped me more than anything I learned in like conventional medical school. And then at the same time, I was working in the ICU. And I was seeing just these terrible end stage cases. Yeah, I don't know if you've ever seen like family drama in the ICU can be really intense. Because Oh, yeah, yeah, really intense. And one day, I signed seven death certificates. And I was like, I can't do this. This is not what I went to school to do. And I felt like there was a lot of burnout, compassion fatigue in all the health care providers. And then, you know, I would ask..

Lisa Beres 11:54

Compassion fatigue, that we have two really good friends that are doctors, and yeah, I would say, he's probably going through that for sure.

Dr. Emily Rowe 12:02

And it's even worse now. After COVID. Yeah.

Lisa Beres 12:06

Because you can't we're not designed to be around that sadness. And give, give give like that, like 24/7. Right. Yeah.

Ron Beres 12:15

And afterwards, right. Since still connect, you have just disconnect yourself to protect yourself, and how can you connect to the individuals? That's tough? That's a real tough.

Lisa Beres 12:21

Yeah, shout out to doctors. Right that.

Dr. Emily Rowe 12:24

So all this was going on in the perfect storm. And so it inspired me to just like, quit, and I went back to school for acupuncture at that point. And for years, I didn't want to be associated with doctors. I just wanted to do acupuncture. And I helped a lot of people, I treated a lot of pain. But at the same time, I got sicker and sicker and sicker. And nothing seemed to be working for years, like Chinese medicine kind of, like maintain me, but it never hurt me. And then my husband and I, about 2015 started getting interested in functional medicine. So together, we did the IFM certification, the Institute of functional medicine, and we were at a yoga retreat at Kripalu up in Massachusetts and my husband picked up this book called: Why can't I get better? And it was a book written by Richard Horowitz, who's one of our mentors about Lyme and chronic disease. And I read the book and I was like, Oh, my gosh, this describes everything I've been going through. Like for years, I did Lyme testing with like, a boutique lab, because the conventional tests miss 50% of cases. Part of the reason why is they're focused on antibody testing, and one of the things Lyme does is it destroys your immune system so that you can't mount an antibody response properly. So it's the ultimate stealth pathogen, because it'll wildly evade your immune system.

Lisa Beres 13:45

Like a parasite.

Dr. Emily Rowe 13:46

Yeah, exactly.

Ron Beres 13:48

You kind of mentioned this earlier, Emily, but can you share with our listeners, the all the eight signs that your aches and pains, maybe due to Lyme disease, and other tick borne infections that we mentioned a few of what are the eight?

Dr. Emily Rowe 14:00

First of all, the classic constellation of symptoms as fatigue, pain, insomnia, and cognitive issues. Number two, the symptoms will come and go, you have good days and bad days. And it depends on what actual infection you have. So some of them have like 23 day life cycles, some of them have 35 day life cycles. So you know, you'll have like, a couple of really bad days because the peak of the Lyme is or whatever their other co infection is at a peak. So a number three is what we said before the pain that migrates around the body. So we call that migratory joint pain. And that's a classic symptom for Lyme in women symptoms tend to get worse right before and like first couple days of the menstrual cycle, because estrogen tends to aggravate Lyme symptoms. So some of these other people might feel way worse if they tried to do birth control pills or if they get diagnosed with needing extra estrogen at menopause, so that's number four, five, often people will get a bad worsening of symptoms if they take antibiotics. So let's say you have a sinus infection and you take antibiotics, well, those antibiotics are going to start killing the Lyme. And then the line will die literally in your bloodstream and released these endotoxins and when the endotoxins get released into the bloodstream, it just triggers havoc and they they actually have a medical term for that. It's called a Jarisch Herxheimer reaction we call it our Herx for short. And then there is a coach..

Lisa Beres 15:34

Would normally be a kind of sound like a detox symptom, right?

Dr. Emily Rowe 15:38

Yeah, it's a die off of the bacteria. Basically, it's a bacteria die.

Lisa Beres 15:43

Sounds like it's doing its job to help with the Lyme, but it's not right. It's not like a.

Dr. Emily Rowe 15:47

There's an art to it, because the problem with Lyme and I've mentioned this briefly that it's a stealth pathogen. So the Lyme actually is a shapeshifter. So you have like a cystic form, a form that lives in biofilms, another form that is in the bloodstream. So when you treat with antibiotics, often you have to use more than one to address the different forms that the Lyme takes. And I mean, if you think about it, you got to respect this micro organism at a very deep level, because, you know, it can live in a tick, it can live in a human, it can live in a dog, it can live on a deer, it can live in a raccoon, I mean, so it has this ability, it senses its environment and will turn on different genes, depending on its habitat.

Lisa Beres 16:35

Oh, it is the shapeshifter. So you said Lyme is only from one particular right?

Dr. Emily Rowe 16:41

Technically, Lyme is Borrelia Borrelia. Yeah. And then there is another one called Bartonella, which is associated with pretty significant neuropathy, especially as a seat, and it will also colonize the neuro epithelium of the bladder, the inner lining of the bladder. And so what can happen with that is you can get this chronic burning urination and you think you have a UTI, but you don't, it shouldn't Oh, yeah. And people are miserable. It's called the interstitial cystitis, but a lot of times we test and they actually have Bartonella. And then there's another co infection called Babesia. That's associated with significant night sweats. And also people experience these episodes of shortness of breath. And then one of the key things is Lyme is the only known disease that causes what's called migratory nerve pain. So talking joint pain, I'm talking neuropathy. So you'll have neuropathy and your feet one day, and then the neuropathy goes away, and then you have neuropathy in your hand.

And neuropathy is like a tingling sensation?

It can be tingling, it can be burning, it can be sometimes it's painful. When I had neuropathy, it felt like when I would walk on the floor, it felt like somebody had sandpaper on the bottom of my feet. And I mean, it wasn't like that terrible, it was more annoying, I had other symptoms that were worse. And so it is important, if you do suspect, you have Lyme, there's a quiz you can take that's called that MSIDS, which stands for Multiple systemic infectious disease syndrome. And I can send you a link to the PDF. So perfect. Yeah, my mentor, Richard Horowitz created it, and did testing to validate the quiz. And it's basically you check off your symptoms, and you list the severity. And if you score a 46 or higher, you have like an 85% chance to have a Lyme.

Lisa Beres 18:40

Wow, that's great for people to get started. Because like we said, a lot of the symptoms that you.

Dr. Emily Rowe 18:44

Yeah, it's it's hard and like, you know, and some people, of course, are under reporters, some people are over report. I'm a very sensitive person. And I tend to like overreact to the world. So when I took the quiz, I was like, 120, but I'm kind of in touch. You know. I also had all three types. I had Babesia, Bartonella, and Borrelia.

Lisa Beres 19:02

Okay, so are these ticks in every region of the country?

Dr. Emily Rowe 19:05

Good question. So that's a great thing. And one thing you could do is you can go to that Pennsylvania tick lab, and they actually have a map. And you can click on your state, and it'll say, Oh, 53% of the ticks from Florida, had Lyme. And it's fascinating because I've diagnosed Lyme here in Miami. I had a little girl she got bit by a tick, right here in Miami and people like, oh, there's no Lyme in Florida. There is. And then there's other companies that are fancier, like iGenex does tic testing. There's a bunch of labs that do.

Lisa Beres 19:41

Yeah. So but they can be. So depending where you live, you might have one type of tick but maybe not all three. Okay.

Dr. Emily Rowe 19:47

Right. And so like Colorado has another type of coinfection called like Ehrlichia Anaplasma. Those tend to be on the West Coast. Or like Rickettsia have, you might have heard of that one which is also called Rocky Mount spotted fever that you can get from Yeah.

Ron Beres 20:02

Oh yeah.

Lisa Beres 20:03

So is there a state that's immune to ticks? Antarctica? Probably?

Dr. Emily Rowe 20:06

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of like the snakes in Ireland. Right? That's an interesting question. What's up with that?

Ron Beres 20:18

So it's not really true that most of the tick infection happens in the Northeast or general.

Dr. Emily Rowe 20:22

So there is a higher, like, concentration of Lyme there. Okay. But you know, there's airplanes and, you know, one of the things that is not talked about enough, but you know, we have destruction of our habitats and ecology. And as you get less woods, and less places for things to live, humans are now the new reservoir. And so there's all these shifting patterns. And this is where you get into true public health because the health of the wildlife around you affects like the health of your children and your family and yourself.

Lisa Beres 20:57

People don't think that out of sight out of mind, you know, it's sad, I know, I pains me when I see developments going in and then picking down wetlands or whatever it may be. It just crushes me, because it's all about more housing, more housing, more housing, and it's our more, you know, retail centers and things like that. And not no regard. And then people are like a bear was in their backyard. And I'm thinking, Where do you think the bear was gonna go? You just took away his habitat.

Dr. Emily Rowe 21:22

Yeah, there was a bear like Disney World, like last month. Yeah, I know. And I was like, poor bear. It was hungry.

Lisa Beres 21:28

Yeah, they need their food. And we're taking away all that with the deforestation all of that. So. Yeah, and a whole nother show, by the way. Okay, so we need you back. So anyone could get bit by a tick. You don't necessarily know that you've been bitten by a tick, or x?

Dr. Emily Rowe 21:43

Yeah, because the ticks released the thing in their saliva so that you don't feel them so that they don't belt Yeah. So that they can Yeah, they have analgesic, and then the other thing is Bartonella can be transmitted by fleas or all sandfly. I know. I mean, we had pets. We had flea infestations, right? Oh, am I blue in person, but it can happen because you know, it's happened. Yeah. South Florida, you take your dog to the wrong park.

Lisa Beres 22:12

Right. What is the tick need to survive? Could it survive in a hotel room? Say, or?

Dr. Emily Rowe 22:19

I'd have to look that up, honestly, because I don't know. Like, how many hours between when it's on you or a bird or whatnot? Right? Yeah, I definitely research that.

Lisa Beres 22:30

Probably not hotels, we would hear more. That's bed beds. That's a whole nother show we need to do.

Ron Beres 22:34

For sure. Not Emily? So is it common to have all three types.

Dr. Emily Rowe 22:38

So some people do or or some people will have only Anaplasma, which is, you know, ones that it's more common on West codes. There's a viral infection called Paul Hassan virus, one of my sickest patients, and Paul was on virus that can be transmitted by ticks. Yeah,

Lisa Beres 22:54

That's crazy. It's crazy. I'm just like, in shock, I really didn't know a lot. Now, is this true? Was there a period not too long ago, where the medical industry was denying Lyme disease as being like an actual thing.

Dr. Emily Rowe 23:06

So they still don't accept the idea that there's chronic Lyme. If you talk to, like conventionally trained doctors, or if you go by the CDC, or like the basic infectious disease doctors, they think that if you have Lyme, you just take Doxycycline for 10 days, and you're fine. Yeah. Okay. And, you know, when I was in medical school, we did have like, mentioning of Lyme, and it was basically like, we had like a quizzes on you know, we had tests like every other day, and it was like, oh, a patient was hiking in North Carolina, she came home with a bullseye rash. What do you do, and a lot of people never get the bullseye rash. So the bullseye rash happens, like, the tick will bite, and then you get this rash in rings around it as the bacteria starts spreading, but a lot of people never have, but the rash depends on immune reactivity. And there is genetics behind who gets long, chronic Lyme and who doesn't. So some people will get this huge fever, body aches, sweat, like horrible flu like symptoms, and then other people like never mount this giant immune response. So they don't really think they're sick. And those are the ones that often end up with chronic Lyme. And so one thing that can happen when you're walking around with a chronic infection with for years, especially something like Bartonella, so Bartonella is what's called an obligate intracellular bacteria. So what that means is it has to live inside your cells. So if you have a chronic infection inside your cells, guess what happens? Your immune system starts attacking your own cells, and it can be a driving factor in autoimmune disease. And so I've had multiple clients, you clear these infections and all of a sudden their autoimmune disease goes into remission.

Lisa Beres 24:54

Wow. Yeah. It always traces back to something like that. So did you say people can be genetically disposed to?

Dr. Emily Rowe 25:04

There's predisposition just like you know everything that.

Lisa Beres 25:08

Someone could get hit by the tick and be totally fine and someone else chronic.

Dr. Emily Rowe 25:12

I also think there's certain people who are just better hosts for this kind of stuff. I have a genetic immune deficiency that's rare called a CD 19 deficiency that was only like, discovered and characterized in scientific papers like after I was out of medical school. So I didn't even know about it. And it was like I diagnosed myself about two years ago, but I was like, Oh, this makes a lot of sense why I've had so many infections and, and whatnot. But not all my clients have that, you know. So one of the things I do look at when we newly diagnosed somebody in our clinic, is we always do a deep dive into what their immune function is. So we look at these things like IGG, subclass, one, two, and three and B cells, T cells and like a full immune panel to see how its functioning. And this is where things like environmental toxins like mold toxicity comes in, because mold will impair your immune system. And so then the lyme has a party. So like, I got super sick when I was going through cancer treatment, because I already had the immune deficiency. And then I was even more immune depleted from the cancer and I was sick. So it was staying home in a mold toxic home, which I didn't realize, oh, geez, you had mold to mold, which is how we got into this. So then the chronic Lyme had a party, and just everything broke loose. But I mean, it's great, because now I can help a bunch of other people.

Lisa Beres 26:36

So it's our pain becomes our path, right? Our pain is. So I know I have so many questions, I will want to give a little shout out to our friends. Trista the first Bachelorette, I'm sure a lot of people listening remember her and her husband, Ryan firefighter. They're actually friends of ours. And he got Lyme. He's a firefighter. I don't really know the story of where he got it or where he, I mean, they're in Colorado many hikes. And he's very outdoorsy. But he ended up having a lot of roadblocks to his healing until he found bee venom. And I think people the whole cover story on how this bee venom, I believe has cured up, I don't know, like, Oh, interesting.

Dr. Emily Rowe 27:17

So I've never done bee venom but I did two other things. I had a client who had a Parkinson type symptoms. And she went down to a clinic in Mexico, and she was injected with bee venom and multiple acupuncture points. And she came back with like, 75% less symptoms. Now she's still like, technically as Parkinson's, but it's at a place where she's not debilitated. So it was amazing. Very interesting. I don't Yeah, I don't know enough about it.

Lisa Beres 27:45

Yeah, something that we're, there's a company. And if I think of it, I will that key worked with, I forget the name of it. And if I come across it, I'll email it to you. So

Dr. Emily Rowe 27:54

I did. One of the things that helped me the most, and usually I don't bring this up on podcast, but you guys, if you bring a bee venom. I actually did medical leeches, and it out a bunch. So I was actually at a Lyme conference, and they were talking about how Lyme can cause hypercoagulability. And what that's just a medical term for like, you know, tendency to have a blood clot. Of course, like I was super hypercoagulable with like, elevated fibrinogen. And I also have genetics called light and factor five, where you're more likely to have a blood clot. You know, they were talking about like, all these medications you can use and I was like, Oh, the side effects of these meds are terrible. So I had like, just started literally Googling, you know, natural anticoagulant, and I knew about a bunch of Chinese herbs that we use all the time in Chinese medicine. But one thing that came up as is medical leeches and medical leeches are super interesting. So they release a natural analgesia in their saliva, which helps with pain. They release stuff that's like a natural blood thinner and then they have a natural antibacterial stuff in their saliva. And so I didn't go to the Everglades and like, get my own leeches. We ordered them from a lab in Colorado and I applied them and I was having like a migraine that was like eight out of 10 and within 10 minutes of my husband putting the leech on my leg, my migraine went down from like an eight out of 10 to like a two.

Lisa Beres 29:19

Whoa.

Dr. Emily Rowe 29:20

It was such an interesting like truly symbiotic relationship because you end up sharing a blood supply with this creature.

Lisa Beres 29:27

So there's so what is it leach a suck your blood.

Dr. Emily Rowe 29:30

What are they suck your blood? And then what when they're full, they just fall off by themselves? Oh, so

Lisa Beres 29:35

They're pulling out like impurities?

Dr. Emily Rowe 29:38

You know, if you look at like old textbooks from like, even just like 200 years ago, they were commonly used in Europe. They were used in Egypt. They were used in ancient Greece. They were using Rome. They were using Chinese medicine.

Lisa Beres 29:53

Yeah we're here in Orange County, California. And if you've heard of the OC housewives, Real Housewives of Orange County. is the one Her name is Heather and her husband is the plastic surgeon and they wrote a book about all the I don't know medical doctor and Mrs. Something. And they did all these experimental treatments and they wrote a book about it.

Dr. Emily Rowe 30:11

Oh, interesting. I would love reading it.

Lisa Beres 30:14

Yeah, one of the episodes, they go out to a party, and she has a leech. This is so gross. But she has it on her stomach and it's sucking from her her belly button. No,

Dr. Emily Rowe 30:24

I did this like at home and my bedroom like we offer at our clinic just so you know, because it's pretty out there. It did help me a lot with chronic pain, though.

Ron Beres 30:35

Does the leech die afterwards? Or do you use it again,

Dr. Emily Rowe 30:38

so you can use it again. Now another person cannot use it because that's your leech because you could possibly transmit you know the Lyme or whatever. Oh, right.

Lisa Beres 30:47

But you could put it on your leg and then does it hurt when it bites?

Dr. Emily Rowe 30:51

So you know what it felt like getting paper cut with like somebody squeezing lemon juice on it? Oh, like a sting. Yeah, but it wasn't like terrible, but like, Honestly, after about five minutes that went away, and then it healed. Now some people have like allergic reactions to it. And I was fine with the first few. Honestly, I did it for a couple months and it helped a lot and it helped the antibiotics work along with the Chinese herbs I was on. So I do see it as a factor and why I got better because I have other people who've done antibiotics and even like you know the correct regimens and didn't get well. So I think those little leeches but I started developing allergic reactions. So just like you can be an allergic to a bee you can be allergic to a leech. And so then I had to stop doing it. Because one time my legs swelled up and I needed prednisone. I was like, oh, oh, the last thing I need.

Lisa Beres 31:43

Something in the leech, right. I mean, at least you know.

Dr. Emily Rowe 31:45

No it was the same leeches. So oh, it was what? It was the same leech. Oh.

Lisa Beres 31:51

You named him he was your friend.

Ron Beres 31:53

But when the leeches gone, when it's all done with the one patient do you let it go in the wild or you can't?

Lisa Beres 31:59

They can live anywhere, can they? I

Dr. Emily Rowe 32:01

I let them go in the Miami River. Now some of them would just like I had special jars and I would change the salt stuff like that.

Lisa Beres 32:07

Whoa, this is so interesting, but they can't live anywhere. Right? They live in water. Do they live in water? They live in swamps. Oh, so Florida could have leeches?

Dr. Emily Rowe 32:16

Oh, yeah. If you go to the Everglades, you can get that by leech accident. Oh, okay. But I wouldn't do a swamp one because who knows what's in there?

Lisa Beres 32:23

Oh yeah. Yeah. Important. Oh, my God, talk about going down tangents. Okay. This is so interesting. Okay, Emily, can you explain the importance of an integrated approach to patient care? Obviously, we're talking about that. A lot of ways.

Dr. Emily Rowe 32:39

I mean, I think it's so important on so many levels. My patients who do the best do multiple modalities, they're doing vitamin IVs. They're eating clean diets, and that'll depend on the person, what kind of diet they need to eat, what activity they're doing. They're addressing the psychosocial spiritual aspect of whatever chronic pain or illness they're dealing with, you know, if this is something that could just be solved with a pill, they wouldn't be in my clinic.

Lisa Beres 33:09

There wouldn't be any illness.

Dr. Emily Rowe 33:10

Yeah. And one of the big problems that I see and a lot of people go to the centers that say they're holistic, but like the acupuncturist is down the hall, and then the doctors over here, and none of them understand what the other person's doing are interesting. Yeah. And so it's very different. If you have somebody who's actually trained in multiple modalities. Now, there's a lot of extra school. And it also requires the ability to hold multiple paradigms in your mind simultaneously. So I'm looking at some people come in, and they have these very strange occurrences and I'm like, oh, maybe there's something astrological or karmic going on with this. So I'll look at medical astrology. For some things. I definitely believed in labs and concrete reality and testing. The other thing that we're..

Lisa Beres 33:59

You just entered because you're a shaman, or you're trained in shamanism. Yeah. So we are all energy. Definitely. Yeah, we don't, a lot of times in health care even approach that that's not even discussed, right? Like the energetic or the spiritual aspect. Yeah, that's a good point, bringing that into the concrete labs, and then combining it with these other things. I know we've interviewed so many people who have said the same thing, you know that a cancer or a major illness stems from an emotional trauma.

Dr. Emily Rowe 34:31

Almost always for sure. Yeah. And then you know, the other thing I do see and maybe you're aware of this already, but I know you understand parasites, there's a type of parasite called toxoplasmosis that can be carried in cats. And cats can transmit it through the cat litter, which is why like a pregnant lady is not supposed to change the cat litter box, right? Oh, that's where that's, that's where it comes from. But what's fascinating is, they've done studies of rats and rats will normally avoid cat urine because they're like, oh, there's a cat, I'm going to die if I go near a place where cats urinating. But if the rat gets infected with toxoplasmosis, its behavior changes because the toxoplasmosis actually changes the behavior in the brain. And the rat gets attracted to cat urine, so that the toxoplasmosis can go on to the next stage of the lifecycle. And this is actually documented in science, so parasites can actually affect your behavior. And I'll see how patients who come in and they're very sick with multiple chronic infections, and I don't see a big difference between toxoplasmosis and Lyme or a chronic viral thing. And I think part of it is the parasite changing behavior. And you almost have to do an energetic cord cutting Yeah, in order to be able to have successful treatment so that the patient can actually be compliant with what they need to do to eradicate it.

Lisa Beres 36:00

Right they have to allow that based on.

Dr. Emily Rowe 36:03

Studies of people who are infected with toxoplasmosis, and they have increased risk taking behavior. So more like a speeding with car accidents, more risk taking behavior, and even just like financial risk taking. It's fascinating. Take a look at some of the science studies of toxoplasmosis risk crazy. It's fascinating, but I think it just goes back to the energetics of these micro organisms that we're in relationship with whether we are aware of it or not, you know, it's a dynamic relationship. Right?

Lisa Beres 36:35

So is that parasite in the cat urine, then it's in a fecal matter?

Dr. Emily Rowe 36:39

It's actually in fecal matter. Oh, fecal matter. Okay. But like the smell, the behavior of the rat is what they documented.

Ron Beres 36:47

Okay, and you have to touch it to get it or can you actually breathe?

Dr. Emily Rowe 36:51

You can breathe it in.

Lisa Beres 36:53

Oh, my God. Okay, everyone who has a cat. You need to get the a fancy fancy cat litter thing? Yeah. Or what they are called?

The money. It's worth it. Yes. And,

Dr. Emily Rowe 37:08

I mean, all this stuff is treatable. But you know, there's a lot of people who adopt a rescue and might not do the testing and stuff like that. And there is a thing called. There's a syndrome in pregnancy, that's called TORCH syndrome. And it's basically infections that can cause fetal anomalies. And so T stands for toxoplasmosis. O, as other. R as rubella, C is who I want to say it's chlamydia. And H is like herpes, but it's like an act of herpes infection. So if somebody has an act of herpes infection, they'll often give like, you know, antivirals or do a C section. But anyway, these kinds of things affect fetal development. And that's been known for years. My husband's an OBGYN, but this is like, basic stuff.

Lisa Beres 37:55

Your dinner conversations got to be interesting.

Ron Beres 37:58

For sure. You are so multifaceted.

Dr. Emily Rowe 38:00

We met when dissecting a cadaver, and you guys, yeah, we really did.

Ron Beres 38:10

Oh, gosh.

Lisa Beres 38:12

Would you say?

Dr. Emily Rowe 38:13

We met dissecting a cadaver 23 years ago.

Lisa Beres 38:16

Wow, that's so romantic.

Dr. Emily Rowe 38:18

It was the last and you know, it was the last place I thought I'd meet everybody. I was in these gross scrubs, my hair was pulled back the smell of formaldehyde. I mean.

Ron Beres 38:29

Wow, that's a story, like I mentioned before, it's so multifaceted. And there's so many directions in this conversation can go, but I wanted to ask you a couple questions. Chinese medicine. So what are the five elements of traditional Chinese medicine?

Dr. Emily Rowe 38:48

I love this question, because I work with this all the time. So you basically like picture a little circle. And right here, you would have wood. So imagine like a tree growing up, and you take wood, and you can burn it, and you can turn it into fire, right. And then fire turns into ashes. So you get Earth, you dig in the earth, and you get metal. And wherever you have metal, if you have a piece of metal out, you get condensation, water just magically appears. So then you have water, and then you water plants and you get wood. And so the idea is that these are energetic forces of creation. And we all have all five of the ideas. It's like a carousel. So you want balance. If you imagine if you go to like a merry go round, and the one horse is way bigger than the other and you have a tiny bony here, then when it spins, it's gonna go like normal. You want like an even spin. So the idea is to be balanced and to have all five elements present. And then in Chinese medicine, really what you're talking about is forces of energetic creation, and one force will feed another and generate another but then there's also this dynamic interrelationship between forces. So for example, metal cuts wood, or you put out fire with water And so there's balance within the body. And they equate all of the organs with a specific element in Chinese medicine. And so like your idea is to balance everything and even be personality types. And you can assess that through like the face. You know, if I wanted to do facial diagnostics on you, Lisa, you have like, gorgeous cheekbones and cheekbones are considered fires a lot of fun. They're very creative. They're good communicators.

Lisa Beres 40:31

It's totally me.

Dr. Emily Rowe 40:32

However, the problem with fire is you can burn out. So you guys.

Lisa Beres 40:39

How did you know that? That's incredible. I love fire. Like Ron knows, I always have to have a fireplace on and candles lit and like, yeah.

Dr. Emily Rowe 40:47

And I mean, fire is the creative force. It's like, it's really the artist, and whatnot. And here's a lot of fun. But like I said, it can burn out. And so all of these things, you can have good qualities and others that can be more problematic. Ron, you have like a combination of water and wood. Open foreheads is, this is signs of like a broad thinker. But wood, wood needs a goal. Wood likes to have things to accomplish.

Ron Beres 38:43

Oh, that's me.

Dr. Emily Rowe 38:43

And it gets very frustrated if it can't meet its goal. Oh, yeah. And then the quality of the chin and the softness here. That's actually water. And water is the wisdom of everything. So you know, you're probably quite the philosopher to a certain level.

Ron Beres 41:16

Wow. Well, I accept that. Dr. Emily.

Lisa Beres 41:18

That's really cool.Can someone do a zoom consultation? And have you read their face?

Dr. Emily Rowe 41:42

Sure. Yeah. So I feel so blessed. I've had so many amazing mentors, the woman who taught me Chinese medical facial diagnostics. She died about two years ago. Oh, yeah, two years ago in September. And her name was Lillian Bridges. She learned from her grandmother. And it had been passed down in her family. And she had two sons that she loved, and they're great people. But neither one of them were interested in learning the Chinese medical facial diagnostics. And so she opened a school and taught people because she didn't want the knowledge to die out. And it's funny. She was half Chinese and half German, and grew up in California. And she was gorgeous. She was a model. And her grandfather in Hong Kong was a super successful banker. And he did facial diagnostics to know who to like, lend money to and who not to.

Lisa Beres 42:33

You can use that in business and everything?

Dr. Emily Rowe 42:38

I mean, I only use it in like diagnostics and how I approached it from people.

Lisa Beres 42:43

Yeah. All right. Oh, my God, you gotta listen to our podcast episode. It was 86, 87, somewhere in there. And it's a numerologist that we have on.

Dr. Emily Rowe 42:52

Oh, interesting.

Lisa Beres 42:53

Oh, he does house numbers. Specifically, his name's Jesse Kelsey, and comes from India. And as this very specific, he's patented, even not patented, or trademarked his kind of technique. He views every number as a planet bullet is it corresponds with a certain planet. There's also crystals that correspond and then the colors.

Dr. Emily Rowe 43:15

Oh, okay. That's so cool. I love that

Lisa Beres 43:18

I got his books. I'm like, one of the audio books I have is seven hours long. So it's really intricate. You're taking your birthdate, your birth name, your home address, and making sure that those energies are cohesive, because if you have, say, a number on your birth date, that is clashing planetary wise with your home, certain things could happen depending on the planets. Okay, so like, the one is the sun and eight is Saturn. And those two planets very much collide. Oh, yeah.

Dr. Emily Rowe 43:49

And Saturn is always associated with chronic health issues.

Lisa Beres 43:52

Oh, okay. Yeah, it gets sent all that. And there's fixes. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah, he created something called number patching, where you can make changes, you can even change the spelling of your name, you can do number patching in your house. And he has fixes all these stories. He works with politicians and celebrities and how they've changed their health, their relationships, their success, and all of that, just incorporating that. So then you're talking about, like the facial there's just so much more that we don't really know, right?

Dr. Emily Rowe 44:23

Yeah, no, for sure. And then part of how I use facial diagnostics is I don't even really do formal consultation. I mean, I do but like, it's not really how I use it. But mostly it's how I approach people and I'll be like, oh, this person super woody. They're gonna love blood ozonation or, which is like a super metallic treatment and metal is like the bouncer for wood. And so it's really helpful in choosing what's going to help a person based on their actual constitution.

Lisa Beres 44:52

So it's kind of I've heard of the tongue in Chinese medicine while a read the tongue right.

Dr. Emily Rowe 44:56

Oh, for sure. Yeah, and the tongue reflects the different energetic organs as well.

Lisa Beres 45:01

Can you look at someone's tongue and go? Oh, I know they're having kidney issues or liver.

Dr. Emily Rowe 45:05

Yeah, but it's hard to via zoom. I have to see them in person. Yeah, and you know, of course, this would be like Chinese medical kidneys, which is more like Adrenal Exhaustion type of thing or, you know, lower back pain. I always have that conversation that the Chinese medical energetics is like when I say, oh, somebody has like liver Qi stagnation, and that doesn't mean they have cirrhosis. You know, it's just liver energy.

Lisa Beres 45:32

So you could tell that from the top for sure. Like, like something's, imbalance,

Dr. Emily Rowe 45:36

and then you know, that you will get certain suspicions of like, what labs to order based on what you see. And I mean, if somebody really has bad mold colonization of like the nasal pharynx, and GI tract, you will see that reflected in the tongue as well. Oh, what does that look like? Like thrush? Like Like, okay, really sick, white? Oh, yeah. And I mean, that's even accepted in conventional medicine.

Lisa Beres 46:05

Wow. I have a question. I read a book by Dr. Holt Clark. I don't know if you're familiar with her. She did the cure for all illnesses, and then the cure for all cancers. And she was very out there with her modalities and frequency devices before anybody was really doing this. And she thinks that all disease is caused by parasites and toxins. Do you agree with that?

Dr. Emily Rowe 46:32

I see. I'm really trying to think here's what I see a lot. I see a lot of issues with lifestyle, whether it's like Poor sleep habits, poor diet, affecting stuff, I also see internal pathogenic factors meaning stuck emotions. And I also think there is such a thing as ancestral bloodline stuff. I also think there's certain things that are literally karmic from previous lives. Whereas like, the bloodline is more passed in the blood, like who your parents were in this lifetime, whereas others is like previous time experiences. I definitely agree that there are a lot of literally, like parasites, and whether that's a virus, a bacteria of fungus, or an actual like amoeba or worm. I mean, all of that is an issue. And elevate a toxic burden is one of the biggest issues I see in all Americans. Whether it's like, you know, plastic in your yoga pants, that's been a blue or lemon skin. Yeah, examine, yeah, or toxins injected in your face, or pesticides in the food, or I love to go golfing. So you're exposed to Atrazine, atrazine turns male frogs into females. And, you know, like all that stuff is, is a mold toxin in your house. Even if you're a clean person, you can have water damage in the walls that you can't see. And you're breathing in spores.

Lisa Beres 48:03

You're speaking our language, heavy metal toxicity.

Dr. Emily Rowe 48:05

I mean, I really thought about it. I don't think it's just toxin parasite. I do think there's those other factors lifestyle motions.

Lisa Beres 48:14

I gotta look at the bug, I think might have been a third thing, but I think when she says life's or toxins, I think she meant like, yeah, toxins from your food toxins from your water. Yeah, not just Yeah, lifestyle would be a part of that and what you're ingesting, but you're right, the ancestral aspects. Oh, yeah.

Ron Beres 48:31

No, but I mean, shamanism comes in. Yeah.

Dr. Emily Rowe 48:33

And what a powerful opportunity to try and heal your ancestors, you know.

Ron Beres 48:38

For sure. And I want to be cognizant of time here to one quick question here. So, how is Chinese medicine and acupuncture used for pain management, because we get a lot of people asking about acupuncture.

Dr. Emily Rowe 48:48

Oh so I wrote a chapter in Neil Nathan's book called energy diagnosis. I think it's energetic diagnosis. You guys would love this book because you're into this. So Neil Nathan. He was my mentor for mold toxicity. He was a family doctor who trained in pain management. And then he got in the world of Lyme, and then later mold. He had a clinic for years in Santa Rosa, and he had me write the chapter on acupuncture in his book. And the way acupuncture works is that energy meridians run in fascia. And fascia is super interesting because it has what's called a piezo electric effect. And here's where you get into your crystals. So piezo electric effect is present in crystals. It's also present in your fascia, because your fashio is essentially made a collagen and collagen is a crystal. And what that means is that when you press on something with mechanical force, you release a flow of electrons. And they've actually done studies in Germany where they inject acupuncture points with, like nuclear dies. And so you can see the nuclear medicine traveled down the channel, so like five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, two hours, and so the chanels do have an anatomical basis in the fascia. And I think a ton of people have pain because their fascia get adhesive

Lisa Beres 50:08

What would cause your fascia to get adhesive.

Dr. Emily Rowe 50:11

Chronic inflammation. And I don't mean to get gross, but you know, like if you make a piece of chicken, and it has

Lisa Beres 50:16

No now, where are vegan .

Dr. Emily Rowe 50:17

Oh, okay.

Ron Beres 50:19

We used to a long time ago.

Dr. Emily Rowe 50:20

Okay, so imagine back in the day when used to make chicken, you have like a piece of chicken breasts, right. And then there's the skin and between the skin, there's that stuff that holds the skin together. And that's collagen. That's also fascia. It's like the chickens fascia. And fascia is what holds us together. It's around all our muscles. It's like what makes up our blood vessels. Like your aorta is basically made of collagen and stuff like that. And it can transmit, like electrons, and it can also transmit biophotons is pretty magical.

Lisa Beres 50:53

Wow. So like getting acupuncture just to keep the Chi the enter the life energy force. Moving is good. Would you say even if you don't have an ailment, Oh, for sure.

Dr. Emily Rowe 51:04

I think everybody needs acupuncture once a month if you're human, and especially in living in the world we live in today. And then you know, part of what they're now suspecting, as people understand plasma and the fourth state of matter. Like the Chinese character for Chi, if you actually look at it, it's a kernel of rice, with the cloud on top. And so what it stands for is a change in state. So you take something like rice, which is concrete reality, and you're sublimating it literally like a chemical composition change from solid to gas, you know, usually goes solid liquid gas, but with the character for chi, you're going from like, literally from solid to gaseous. So it's about changing states. And I really suspect that what Chi is is actually energetic plasma, which is your fourth state of matter.

Lisa Beres 51:57

She is okay. Wow. This is so interesting, right? I know. I'm gonna I'm sorry. That's getting off track. I know. Like I could go down handed. Okay. And we're going back to line. What advice for the diagnosis and treatment of Lyme? Would you say so? And other stuff, infections if someone has other sub infections and Lyme?

Dr. Emily Rowe 52:20

Yeah. If you're concerned you have a stealth infection. Take the MSIDs quiz by Richard Horowitz.

Lisa Beres 52:27

When you use the word self infection. Are you talking about Lyme?

Dr. Emily Rowe 52:30

Yeah, I'm talking about Lyme but I'm also talking about like, Oh, you have chronic H. Pylori. Oh, you have Cryptosporidium, you have which is like an amoeba, you know, or like, Oh, you have chronic epstein barr virus, I consider all that self infection. Because you look at the person and they don't look sick. They look fine. Okay.

Lisa Beres 52:51

Or their labs are coming back up. Did you hear this all the time, right?

Dr. Emily Rowe 52:55

Well, if you go to a regular doctor, and they run a CBC and CMP and they're like, everything's fine, but you're like, but I'm dying.

Lisa Beres 53:02

All the time. We hear this all the time. So many people, and that's the most frustrating situation for people to be in when they feel terrible. But the doctor is telling them everything's fine. It sounds good. But it's not because they still don't feel good. And they don't have answers. Right. And and that's really common. Right.

Ron Beres 53:17

Okay, one more question. We said one more question a few questions to go. All right. What are some practical tips on how people listening can start regaining control of their health? Right away?

Lisa Beres 53:27

Wait, I don't think she answered my question, though. What advice do you give to these people, if they have the self infection.

Dr. Emily Rowe 53:34

So I would recommend first taking the MSIDs. And if you score at the end of the quiz, they give you the results. And then if you score high, find somebody who's trained by AL Labs, which is the International Lyme and associated disease Syndrome Society. And then get yourself a real test so you can figure out what's going on. And you know, I have people who you know, mostly treat with herbs I have other people who treat with blood ozonation and IVs and other people who need antibiotics. That's the kind of thing you custom tailor depending on the person and their constitution, what treatments they tolerate what's best for them. So that's really further down but the first step is just to actually get a proper diagnosis and unfortunately, the tests are often not cheap.

Lisa Beres 54:24

I was just gonna say be prepared to open your wallet. But you know, as they say, pay the farmer now or pay the doctor later like just know that if you might seem like a lot upfront, it's going to be way more if you don't address it way more long term right? So be prepared to invest that money into your house and find out get to the root of what's going on.

Dr. Emily Rowe 54:44

I'll do a follow up email would give you like a PDF of that you can access and then AI Labs so they can access that if they're interested. And of course practitioners very like, you know, might be the wrong person for us, but right for your friends, so You know, that's the kind of thing you have to figure out the right person to help you.

Lisa Beres 55:04

An insurance does insurance if like the doctor suspects or proves that you have Lyme will insurance cover all this kind of stuff? Or?

Dr. Emily Rowe 55:10

It depends on the person's insurance and you know what state they're in, and all sorts of stuff like that. I mean, insurance often covers antibiotics, but not like the boutique, Lyme testing. And it really depends.

Lisa Beres 55:23

Okay gotcha. And you would say, if someone has that, would you say it's okay to take antibiotics? I mean, I know.

Dr. Emily Rowe 55:29

I try to avoid it. But I do find with some cases, it really is necessary, and it can be life changing. Our antibiotic antibiotics over prescribed? Definitely, should they be in our food system? Absolutely not. However, if you have like, you know, a really bad infection, I think it can be really, like, yeah, can be beneficial. Yeah. Good. So I think there's a place for it, honestly. Right. And this is where I am much more conventional than other practitioners who, who don't use antibiotics. But I think there's a place for it all, honestly.

Ron Beres 56:02

Well, you're bringing it together. Great job.

Dr. Emily Rowe 56:06

And you had another question, Ron.

Ron Beres 56:08

I did.

Lisa Beres 56:08

I jumped in ? Because I'm looking at Ron and ask your last question.

Ron Beres 56:11

Okay. Okay, Emily, what are some practical tips on how people listening can start regaining control of their health right away?

Dr. Emily Rowe 56:20

If you're chronically exhausted with brain fog, and nothing is working. You can have your home tested for mold. It's a Swiffer test, you basically buy a Swiffer, and you can do it yourself. You collect the dust, and they look for the spores it in your home. But I think it's one of the biggest environmental toxins, and one of the biggest health problems that we don't realize is going on. And even if you're clean person, you can have mold toxicity in your home. And that can be done. I like the do it yourself test because like you can call somebody and hire them to come out and it's $1,000. And they might miss it. the crappiest way to test for mold is air trapping, and people come in they're like, Oh, my air trap my house. It's fine. I'm like to go do this. Go do the called the ERMI test. Honestly. Yeah.

Lisa Beres 57:13

That's a good one. In fact, our podcast that launched today is on mold. Oh, okay. Yeah, you'll love it. It's really gets nitty gritty. Well, we've done a lot on mold. But this one, he's a remediator. And so kind of got more

Dr. Emily Rowe 57:27

It's cool like, I'm a health care practitioner, I'm a doctor, I don't know about fixing people's houses and people ask me these contracting questions. I'm like, I don't know.

Lisa Beres 57:38

Right? And exactly. You can't know everything. No, absolutely

Dr. Emily Rowe 57:41

not. I know how to treat the mold in your body with binders and anti fungal herbs and you know, pharmaceuticals. But I absolutely don't know how to fix your house. Right?

Ron Beres 57:51

You're welcome information. They expected you to know everything because?

Lisa Beres 57:55

Well, that's why you know, you, you all make a good team. And so people can listeners who are in this boat and want to get help, can they you'll do zoom consultations. I know you're a non insurance.

Dr. Emily Rowe 58:08

Yeah it's limited what I can do if you're far away. And I'm always very straightforward about that. We do have a waiting list for new clients. But I will try my best to help everybody.

Lisa Beres 58:19

Okay, so they could start with the console. And even if, like.

Dr. Emily Rowe 58:23

You know, if I think you need like weekly vitamin IVs, and you live in Oregon, and I'm In Miami, it's like really limited how much I can help you.

Lisa Beres 58:31

Yeah maybe at least to order the test to get started.

Dr. Emily Rowe 58:34

Or like help you find a practitioner, you know that? Yeah, you're right. But I'm always like, very straightforward. Because Are you know, I do a lot of injections with peptides for pain and to acupuncture points, you know, that kind of thing. And I can't do that if you're like in Canada and right, I'm in my people could travel to they could come to Florida, they have the means and ability and some people have the money, but not the time or, you know, family obligations. So that kind of stuff happened.

Lisa Beres 59:01

Okay, well, this has been amazing. Emily, we could talk to her five more hours. So we'll have to have you back. But thank you so much, guys. You can learn more about Emily's services at miamibeachcwc.com and you'll find all the links in the show notes at Ronandlisa.com/podcast.

Ron Beres 59:22

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