A doctor falsely accused of scientific and medical misconduct, whose discoveries opened up entirely new perceptions of childhood autism, the gut-brain link, and vaccine safety is our special guest. Dr. Andrew Wakefield is an award-winning filmmaker who illuminated the revelations of a vaccine scientist at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in his documentary Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe which changed the public mindset on the truth about vaccine safety. Dr. Wakefield sheds light on the instincts of mothers, their choices and consequences while following an unwavering quest for truth, and perseverance against overwhelming odds.
In this episode, we discuss his new film, 1986: The Act, and how this relates to the recent events surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic. We touch upon vaccine injury, parental rights, and what the future looks like globally in terms of health freedoms. This episode opens up the dialogue in regard to our ability to maintain sovereignty and preserve our freedoms by allowing inalienably educated and informed decisions by each person. It challenges the liability and accountability of manufactures while demanding adequate and long-term safety studies to be required by big pharma.
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How would you like to improve your health and keep your family safe? You're listening to the healthy home hacks podcast where we firmly believe enjoying optimal health shouldn't be a luxury. healthy home authorities and husband and wife team Ron and Lisa will help you create a home environment that will level up your health. It's time to hear from the experts. listen in on honest conversations and gain the best tips and advice. If you're ready to dive in and improve your well-being and increase your energy, you're in the right place. All right, here are your hosts Bubiologists authors, media darlings, vicarious vegans and avocado aficionados, Ron and Lisa Beres.
Lisa Beres
Hi, guys, thanks for joining us today. Be sure to take our free online seven day healthy at home challenge to learn how to stay safe, protect your loved ones and improve your health today. Did I mention it's free? Plus, you get a really cool Bonus Gift called the Stay Safe at Home checklist just for completing the entire week, visit bit.ly/thehealthyathomechallenge. Now, you and your family's health depend on it. The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patient in the care of human frame in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. When I became ill from toxic exposures from a newly remodeled home over a decade ago, I read this quote. In fact, it's one of my favorite Thomas Edison quotes. And it resonated so deeply with me because rather than seeking pills and patches to treat my symptoms, I committed myself to finding the root cause of my illness. Someone who understands this need all too well is our very special, esteemed and passionate guest today, father, husband, Doctor, researcher and filmmaker, Dr. Andy J. Wakefield. Guys you don't want to miss today's interview because we're going deep down the rabbit hole. In fact, here's what Robert F Kennedy Jr. has said of Dr. Wakefield. If they let Andy Wakefield on the today's show for half an hour, the whole house of cards with collapse.
Ron Beres
Dr. Andy J. Wakefield has been likened to the Dreyfus of his generation, a doctor falsely accused of scientific and medical misconduct, whose discoveries opened up entirely new perceptions of childhood autism, the gut brain link and vaccine safety as an insider. The price for his discoveries and his refusal to walk away from the issues they raised was swift and brutal, the loss of a job, career reputation, honors colleagues and country and yet he enjoys a huge and growing support from around the world. Wakefield stands made a trusted place for whistleblowers from government and industry to confess and download his extraordinary stories to share. And now as an award-winning filmmaker, he's ready to share more so despite the elaborate attempts at Stanford censorship, his documentary Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe, the revelations about vaccine scientists at the US Centers for Disease Control prevention changed the public mindset on the truth about vaccine safety. Wakefield's is a story that starts with professional trust, and the instincts of mother�s choice and consequences. A quest for truth and perseverance against overwhelming odds. Welcome to the show, Dr. Wakefield, welcome. Thank you very much guys. Very excited to be with you. Yes. Thank you for being here.
Lisa Beres
I know we have so much we want to cover and in your bio which Ron just read so nicely, I know your background is very extensive. You graduated from St. Mary's Hospital Medical School part of the University of London. You are a graduate as a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and you pursued gastrointestinal surgery with a specialty in inflammatory bowel disease, something we're going to probably get into. After acceptance into the Royal College of pathologists. You later focus on gastroenterology or you manage a team of 19 people at the Royal Free Hospital in London researching inflammatory bowel disease. And for a decade, you've published over 140 scientific papers and book chapters and was invited to give scientific commentaries in the field of inflammatory bowel disease. Did I miss anything?
Let's just dive right in. Now that you know a little bit about Dr. Wakefield, can you tell us about your latest film in 1986? The Act and it's a you know a little bit of an elusive title. Can you tell us what exactly is this movie?
Dr. Wakefield
Well, let's go into the title First of all, 1986 refers to a piece of legislation signed into law in 1986 by Ronald Reagan, which effectively gave pharmaceutical companies, blanket liability from damages done by their vaccine theme here isn't death caused by recommended childhood vaccines. And it really is the story of what happens when you take a product or an industry out of the constraints of the free market. And you'll know you'll recognize that the success of the free market is that if a product is good and it is safe, it will succeed and the company will thrive and if it's bad and it's unsafe, then it will sink to the bottom and the company later have to change or they will perish. And the problem is that when you give a company liability protection for their vaccines, in this case, there is no incentive for safety. And there is no incentive to make them better. And so, the worst thing what happens then is that you mandate the market. You force children to get vaccinated with this unsafe product. So, you have a perfect business model for the industry, what you have is no liability and a mandatory market, all you can do is make a massive profit. And that's exactly what they did. And what the film is really about is the true history of how this Act came into being. What the consequences were of this act and how it was then systematically corrupted by a collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and the regulatory agencies who were there to really to protect the American children to enact the short this film we finished filming our actors. In August September, we knew nothing of COVID-19. But the relevance of this film to where we are now is extraordinary. One has to imagine that the universe has conspired to bring all these events together at the same time, because if people are to understand where we are going with this, rush the market of untested vaccines and indemnity for the industry against 7 billion people getting a forced vaccine worldwide, then they need to look into the mirror of the story. They need to see where we came from, and they will understand very clearly what the consequences of this action are going to be.
Lisa Beres
Boy, I know you can clarify this, but I've read some of the statistics and charts on the vaccine scheduling for children and just since the 1940s how drastically that number has gone up. Going from four shots required in the 40s, then to eight shots around the 80s, and now to 2012 went up to 49. And today at 72, right? 72 required vaccine doses.
Dr. Wakefield
And that happened because of the all of the problems that we face worldwide with vaccination. Now this can be traced back to the 1960s. Because what it did is to make them so wealthy, so powerful that they could buy everybody, they could buy the politicians, they could buy policy, they could buy the media, they could buy doctors and medical training worldwide. And so, this has given them such an ordinate power. But they and it came about because they 72 doses of 16 vaccines came about because at the end Wow. They could make anything then get them amended on put on the schedule. And they could clean up and that's exactly what they did.
Ron Beres
The manufacturers can't be sued at all or is there a cap because I thought that we had stumbled across there was like a limit of 150 thousand dollars.
Dr. Wakefield
The jurisdiction of the act right now, the only way you can sue the manufacturers now. And this is absolutely key is if you can identify that they have committed scientific fraud in the licensing of their vaccine, they did something that would make them liable for punitive damages in a court of law. And that's the key to the act, because that's exactly what the film identifies. Wow, the whole thing was based on fraud
Lisa Beres
For listeners, if you want to watch the documentary, it's riveting. Ron and I watched it, it's 1986, the act.com and you can stream it right from the comfort of your own home.
Ron Beres
Dr. Wakefield, I should ask you right off the bat. Do you suspect the intent of the Act was malicious to begin with? Or do you think there was some goodwill intend to make this work for everybody because I think at the time it was it was hard to get litigation through to actually sue the manufacturers and initially from what your movies brilliant by the Way, and it really kind of laid things out. I mean, do you think the intent was good? Or was it always just malicious from the start?
Dr. Wakefield
No, I think it was it was well intended. It was well, what happened was that the it was all about pertussis vaccine, the whooping cough vaccine that was really the pivotal vaccine and how the Act came into being and the industry said, Look, you want children to have this vaccine states mandated. It's not a big profit center for us, and we're getting sued. We've made it as safe as we possibly can. And so, either you Congress give us liability protection, or we're going to pull out of the market. When we do that there'll be no pertussis vaccine and children will die and it'll be your fault. How do you feel about that? That was the subject but that was their threat to Congress. We're going to pull out and pivotal to that was the claim that they had made it as safe as they possibly could. And that was the lie. Well, they that vaccine is safer. A set it up with classes vaccine was licensed in the early 90s in the US, but they filed a patent For a safer vaccine in 1937, while he knew that they could make a safer vaccine, but for pennies per dose, they decided not to because it was going to eat into their profit margin. And it was only when a lawyer obtained the documents confirming that in discovery that they realized that they were going to go to the wall if they didn't get liability, protection from Congress, they lied to the senators, to their congressmen, to the judges, they said, we've made this as safe as possible, give us diversity protection. And that's what happens. So, Congress will see. So, was there mal intent from the pharmaceutical companies? Absolutely. Was there mal intent from those who were responsible for crafting the act in Congress? No, I don't believe so. I think they genuinely believed we needed to protect the vaccine supply based upon what they were told by the industry. And we need to compensate these children who have been damaged but if it were horribly long from that point forward.
Lisa Beres
It's crazy that it's been that long and that that act hasn't, you know, changed and been updated. But I think what you're doing obviously is bringing awareness and having this conversation and I guess it's just going to take people you know, demanding that. So, in the facts in the film are very hard hitting, do you think these manufacturers can be in trouble based on some of the information that you present in the film?
Dr. Wakefield
I hope. That's the goal has to be accountability. If there is no accountability, then we face catastrophe and we are at a pivotal point right now where the industry is being given millions billions of taxpayer dollars to make rush to market Frankenstein vaccines that have never been put into human beings before that are being shortcut are being that no animal safety testing put into people with high rates of adverse reactions in Even the healthiest trial subjects you can pick. I mean, these are the people at risk. These aren't the elderly, these are the people with diabetes are the fittest people, you can find that still having serious rates of adverse reactions. And Wall Street saying, wow, this is really promising. No, it's not disastrous. Yeah. That's what we face. So, unless we learn from the lessons of the past, unless we realize what the industry did then and what they will go on doing in the future, then I'm afraid we're just handing our bodies and souls over to them and those of our children.
Lisa Beres
Those are our future. So, there's what would you say is the percentage of vaccine I've read horror ingredient lists of what is found in a typical vaccine. I don't know if we're talking just the flu shot or you know, a variety but everything from aluminum and gelatin and animal even fetal cell tissue lines and lines for monkey DNA and latex rubber mercury in the form of thimerosal. Even glyphosate I know there was a recent study that came out that found glyphosate, MSG, is that pretty much across the board? Or would you say like, it just depends on the vaccine?
Dr. Wakefield
Some vaccines and more, some are less. So, for example, when mercury was in vaccines, it wasn't in the live viral vaccines. It was there as a preservative, so it would have killed the live viruses. So, it wasn't in MMR vaccine. It wasn't in the chickenpox vaccine, for example, but it was in the HIV and hepatitis B and the DPT vaccine that was highly toxic. It should never have been there. It was never safety tested. It was grandfathered in by the FDA. And yet it's one of the most potent neurotoxins on the planet. What was it being done in doing, you know, being injected into babies? In mammals and they knew it was madness. And so, they phased it out. They couldn't withdraw it suddenly, because that would have caused�people would have realized the extent of their error. And so, they sacrifice more children by taking it out slowly, but then they put it back into the flu vaccine and made that recommended for children over the age of six months and pregnant with What madness led to them doing that. And so, one cannot believe that they're acting in the best interest of the public. They are not. They are fighting for their own credibility. They are fighting for the companies that actually pull their strings. And they are fighting to protect the vaccine program, not the children of America. If they were fighting to protect the children of America, neurotoxins like aluminum, known, proven your toxic mercury would never have been in there in the first place. So, we have a major problem. And the problem is one of them protecting their credibility because they know if they lose their credibility, which by the way, is happening across the border. They lose it for all time.
Lisa Beres
Mm hmm. The conversations I'm hearing Are you know; people do seem to be awake and aware. And we're not saying this is an antivax versus a pro vax conversation, this is a safety conversation. I just want listeners to know that this is about safety. This is about transparency and accountability. And you know, knowing what you are going to put in your body and asking those questions and being aware, it's shocking. Children today are born with 287 chemicals in their bodies already. And that was a that was the body burden study done by the scientists at the Environmental Working Group. And they found that by testing the umbilical cord of babies in the US, so these kids are already coming in pre polluted. And then we're adding all of these chemicals and these 72 doses of vaccines that are required now by children, and it's very scary, and I hope that you guys are having a little light bulb aha moments listening to this because we've got to protect our future. We've got to protect our end ourselves with the new COVID vaccine on the forefront here. I offer you just a much more thoughtful note as well.
Dr. Wakefield
That's what the film is about. All of this is rather dark and ominous. And in the face of COVID-19 people are hearing bad news day on day on day, when in fact, there is a much more enlightened way of approaching this whole thing. And that's embodied in the film. And I hope that came across and that is the extraordinary power of maternal intuition. Okay, and this is not some sort of emotional argument with which to promote the film. This is a survival imperative. This is why we are here on this Earth right now, because of the power of that intuition. It is far more powerful than men in white coats, antibiotics, vaccines, it is achieved far more than medicine will ever achieve. And it is real and in the film, it is that mother that expectant mothers intuition that says to her, there is a problem here that I need to resolve and of course, it's challenge for her is that our husband like 95% of those triangles, those thousands of families I've interviewed where there is discord where there is conflict about vaccination of children. It's the husband, who says, Wow, you know, I'm not convinced its anti-science. polio. Polio walks out of the room.
That's the so-called logical mind the Objective Mind? No, it's not. You see the motto in this film, her intuition doesn't say don't vaccinate. It says, there is an issue here that I need to resolve. And I'm going to investigate it. I'm going to defer to the science. I'm going to read the litigation but at this stage, I am going to get to the very bottom of this by pursuing exactly that what has been said and written about this and that's what she does. So, she then comes to an enlightened physician of the end and takes her husband with him. And then, the power of this film and what mothers need to realize is that they, they need not defer to that external authority. They need to look to that internal authority because it is invariably correct. That little voice inside you is there for a very, very good reason. Yeah, please listen.
Lisa Beres
I'm sure I don't know what the percentage of vaccine injuries are. But I know people in Britain does too who have this head has happened to their children. A good friend of ours, she said she had a bad feeling the day she went in, it was probably just a high dose that day that her daughter was going to get and right after word, her daughter started having seizures and now has to be on severe seizure medication and she told me it was it's the biggest regret of her life. Because she did get that whisper and she didn't listen to it and she is very, you know, well versed on this topic. Now she researches and does a lot of great work educating other parents about it. What are the percentage do you know of children that do get injured?
Dr. Wakefield
It's enormous because we deal with autism or inflammatory bowel disease. And that's a tiny proportion of the real size of the issue. People say, Oh, my children are fine. You know, they're not autistic. They didn't react badly to their vaccines. Oh, yeah, they've got food allergies and they've got asthma and they've got anaphylaxis and they've got terrible hives and terrible eczema, but they're no they're not vaccine. Yes, they are. Okay, because that's a part of that full spectrum of Vaccine Injury. We are looking at diseases of immune derangement, immune disruption, failure, of normal education of the immune response. So, things that were innocuous in the environment like food antigens, things that we should not respond to adversity we now are responding to adversity. So, the vast majority of American children I think some 56% have a chronic medical condition and medication and care that is
Ron Beres
Yes, that would be conservative I would imagine, right?
Dr. Wakefield
Absolutely. So, people who are saying My child is not vaccine injured and not sleeping the flanks now, are they all actually like we don't know. But I can tell you this, from my experience when you're looking at epidemics of these diseases, there is no genetic epidemic. There is no, this is an environmental factor. And we're looking at those factors that have the most profound effect upon immune education and the infant. And all those it was historically infection. And now it's vaccination.
Ron Beres
So the great thing about your film and 1986 is how it's really laid out in digestible bits of information, it goes through a sequence and it does a wonderful job of kind of articulating and explaining what happened to the act from a litigation perspective and then touching into the personal element with you know, the different families involved as part of litigation various, you know, court cases, things that going on. And you also have a narrative style in there too. That's very unique to did you want to elaborate on the style of the film, because I thought it went very nicely. And it's one thing to hear this and you know, a five-minute snippet, but you kind of just lay it out chronologically, and you give the listener hope, and you give them a better understanding, I think as to what's probably going on.
Dr. Wakefield
Okay. Yeah, no, thank you. It was a nightmare. Okay, so the scenes, complex story of legislation. Science, and even the most ardent fan of this subject is going to be asleep in 10 minutes. How do you engage people in such an arcane story? And so, I was at a fundraiser in LA, raising money for the film and it was just small pop up fundraiser and there was a celebrity couple and they said, we must get behind this film, we must do everything we can to support it. And I thought, what can you do? nominee? Well, what can you actually do and I thought you can narrate the film, you can tell the story, and you can be every mother and father around every kitchen table every evening everywhere in the world. Having the same discussion right now about what do we do about vaccination for our children, there's so much conflicting evidence. So many people have so many strong opinions about this. And you can be the ones who go on a journey of discovery and you cannot pick the facts. You can present them to us in a way that we can understand them. And it was a real challenge because what you've got there is a sort of a fictional narrative style and even though these two were based upon the thousands of parents that I that I've met over the years, you've got that style combined with a documentary sort of style. It could have looked like an ice cream sundae. It could have been.
Lisa Beres
I don't know if I've ever seen a documentary.
Dr. Wakefield
I don't think it's ever been done before. And I thought it so hidden risk, and I think it paid off.
Lisa Beres
I think so.
Ron Beres
Yeah, it was like it's like an act, a great book that you can't put down, I have to say, as you as you go through the film, you just you're drawn in, right. And that is difficult to do to encapsulate everything that's been going on, and various different aspects of this issue. And I thought you did a great job.
Dr. Wakefield
Thank you. And the other thing that allows you to do, which you can't do it any other way, as far as I can see is let's say you get to a really complex piece, and the audience are going I'm not sure I got that. Then the husband said Hang on, I'm not sure I got that. Let me just do my right this, this, this and this and this. And then the audience go Ah, now I get it. Yeah, you couldn't go back. Next pieces of information and reiterate them because the husband is us.
Lisa Beres
Yes. So, he needs to hear it again and again, right? Because he starts off a little skeptical
Ron Beres
As slow as he lays it out, you're trying to say,
Lisa Beres
Hey, listen, it happened. I mean, even on my toxicity, I got sick from toxins in a newly remodeled home. And, I mean, the same thing. Ron was very like, um, I don't know, if this were true, I would be hearing about this, you know. But it's like you said, Dr. Wakefield, you know, a lot of my symptoms were symptoms that people would just chalk up as, Oh, hey, I guess that just happens in life. You know, I guess you're just chronically fatigued and lowered immunity and hormone imbalances, and, you know, all of these things that I was experiencing, until I made the connection, you know, I wasn't going to be able to ever heal, I would just be on medications and treating symptoms and then at some point that just stops working to which it did for me. So, going back to the autism and I know what that's not going to be our focus. But the rates used to be gosh,
Dr. Wakefield
It was one in 10,000 when I was in medical school, wanted Yeah, that's what we were. We weren't taught about it. It was so rare we didn't.
Lisa Beres
Was one in 10,000?
Dr. Wakefield
Now, it�s you know, one in 20.
Lisa Beres
Today it's one in 20. And mostly boys, right?
Dr. Wakefield
Mostly boys, the ratio is something like four to five to one boys. Why that is? No one's quite certain. But it's likely to be a sex hormone or testosterone versus estrogen phenomenon. Testosterone may make the brain more susceptible to neurotoxic injury where as a student protects the brain. Yeah, that's biologically plausible. Has it been proven? No. But is it open to testable? hypotheses? Yes.
Lisa Beres
Yeah. And there was a doctor I don't remember her name in the in your movie Vaxxed and she says something like it's going to be 80%. She says she gives a year by the year. I don't know. 2040?
Dr. Wakefield
In 2032 is going to be one in two children.
Lisa Beres
One in two children. It's just so crazy. And I just think that's such a point that we want to focus on here because like you were saying, these were illnesses that didn't exist. We can't say these are genetic. We can't say keep blaming them on, you know, other things, we have to realize that our lifestyles and our environment and our exposures to these chemicals are wreaking havoc on our health and we have to we have to speak up and we have to get involved and support this film anybody listening?
Ron Beres
It's an interesting information during the film to not to give anything away to you talk about mitochondrial cells and how they might be overloaded and that was like an indirect symptom to might be causing some of these autism effects in children.
Dr. Wakefield
Yeah, absolutely. When part of it once you look, you know, you've identified a potential cause. The question then becomes the mechanism, how does that cause or those causes translate into damage? And so, one of the most promising fields of researchers but how things like mercury and aluminum and viruses and toxic over load into the energy factories of the Center for the mitochondria. And once you do that the cells can't function normally. And so, your immune system is depressed, it can't function. Normally your brain doesn't function normally. And these mitochondria seem to be central to the way in which Vaccine Injury is caused. Now, if the CDC then taken that and run with it and investigated that we'd have an answer on that. But there has been a deliberate effort not to do that not to do the science, not to make the inquiry, but many, many doctors are using mitochondrial support therapies that natural therapies, very many therapies that are helping substantially so that is one of the most promising areas of research looking at mitochondrial function.
Ron Beres
And the idea is it's like overloading a battery, right. And mitochondrial cells, aren't they more in the in the brain area? Is that that correct, doctor?
Dr. Wakefield
Mitochondria are in every cell in the body. And they're particularly dense or common in those cells with a very, very high metabolism. So, the brain has a very, very high metabolic rate muscle has a high metabolic rate. So, there are higher concentrations of mitochondria in those specific regions.
Lisa Beres
Okay, and we if you're open to a color, we have Morgan on the line who is a mother of baby James, who has some questions for you. Hi, Morgan. Welcome to the show.
Caller, Morgan
Hi.
Lisa Beres
And what questions did you have for Dr. Wakefield?
Caller, Morgan
When my son was four months old, we took him in for his normal, routine vaccines. Always good for a couple days and then one night he woke up, vomiting and just very lethargic and crying and severe pain the next morning and we took him to the emergency room and, ultimately, after a couple days of back and forth with the doctors, he was diagnosed with intussusception, it's a pretty severe condition. It's an adverse side effect of the rotavirus vaccine. When we were discharged, we, we left with the impression that all would be good. And this is not really something that would affect you in the future. However, that wasn't really the case. We have now experienced a total of five episodes of interest deception. We have been through countless tests, we've been to countless doctors, we thought we were doing the best thing we could for him, and it's ultimately been just a nightmare. We've decided to discontinue vaccinations. And we can't put our time in school or in daycare because of the rules of California. So, you know, it's just a whole other set of issues that parents would never expect.
Dr. Wakefield
California resists a particularly precarious position and it's largely politically influenced but California has passed SB 276, SB 277, which force parents to vaccinate their children or they will be deprived of either public or private school education. There is now a move to come after homeschoolers, there is a move to come after medical exemptions that is meant that your doctor can no longer determine whether your child should or shouldn't have the vaccine exemption based upon his understanding of your his patient's medical history. It has to be a state authority that's never met your child that makes that decision. This destroys the entire doctor patient relationship. And it is a move a deliberate calculated move towards an authoritarian regime that will make sure every child and in the end every man, woman and child in California will get vaccinated with no exceptions. That is an extraordinary day. In your situation, it is an attempt to set the precedent for the rest of the United States on the basis of what happens in California will translate everywhere. And it's come about, largely because the democrats in California are extremely dependent upon the pharmaceutical industry for their funding. In campaign funding, they don't get money from the automotive industry, they don't get money from the oil and gas industry. So, they have become dependent largely on the magnanimous pharmaceutical industry, if that's not one of the most extraordinary contradictions. And that makes them very vulnerable because they then pursued policies in the interests of the pharmaceutical companies and not in the interest of the people. And that's exactly what we're seeing in California. And Californians have to an extent allowed this to occur because of their inherent bias towards the dominant Democratic Party. Now, this isn't an argument about I'm an observer on American politics. I come from a So I have no particular political affiliation. But I can tell you this. But when it comes to the next election, the person you've got to vote for the people, you've got to vote for your children. So, you've got to vote for about past affiliations, past beliefs. This is about a situation in which as we've just discussed by 2030, to one in two children in this country will have autism. Those are the CDC official statistics. And they're getting worse than that. Now. That means 80% of the boys given that there's a higher bias towards boys having autism. At that age, politics is irrelevant. At that stage, there is no economy. You either have autism or you look after someone with autism, there is no foreign policy. America is irrelevant. There is no standing army, no police force, if we allow that to happen. And that is the way it's headed. And California is leading the way.
Lisa Beres
There's really no use of moving to a different state, Dr. Wakefield, right because if this rolls Well, it's already rolled out in California, but it's going to set a precedent for all the states. Right?
Dr. Wakefield
There's a good point. There are many, many people, many people I know who are moving out of California right now. They these are the big earners. These are the taxpayers, what happens to the infrastructure of that state when all of these people are gone? And they're moving? I mean, I came from Austin, Texas, Boston, house prices have been driven up by Californians moving into Austin, Texas, a value above any other state devalues. Its personal freedoms and health freedoms. But I cannot stress to the people of California enough how we have got to take back our bodily autonomy, our whole freedom, we have got to be in a position to make decisions for our children ourselves and not leave it in the hands of politicians, and particularly of the pharmaceutical companies and with COVID-19 vaccination. That is where this is being driven. And you saw it in the in the in the censorship. When it's when censorship started on social media and on mainstream media, it started with the anti vaxxers. And it started with those then who questioned vaccine safety and it spread to those who talked about health freedom and then it spread to the mainstream. Now it's spread to doctors, in white coats getting up in front of the Supreme Court telling about their clinical experience with COVID-19. Their direct clinical experiences of frontline doctors, these probably people who probably never uttered a word against vaccines and their lines, but here are they being censored. So, when you have to censor the mainstream, you are focusing upon an exclusive narrative of it can be vaccines and vaccines only that will save the world and nothing else matters and that discloses that declares the true agenda. and powerful. Please get on board and understand what is happening.
Lisa Beres
Yeah, I want to get into that Morgan. Did that answer your question? Did you have any other questions for Dr. Wakefield?
Caller, Morgan
Basically, at this point in time, if we want to enroll our schools in California, in our only option would be to get him up to date on his vaccines, you know, which is a difficult decision to make in light of everything that's happened to him and your only other options would be to move out of state or to do home schooling. You know, one thing that I have really realized from what we've been through is it's so important to just be informed and know, every appointment, you know, what was going to be given what the side effects were, of what could occur, you know, it's so important to really be aware of what's going on. And make sure you do research.
Dr. Wakefield
I mean, the writings on the wall and I you have my utmost sympathy. I didn't give individual advice about vaccine choices. It's evident to you the choices that you must make Oh, I can say is that if I had a baby today, a newborn baby, would I vaccinate them? No. So that is the honest answer I can give to you about what I would do given those circumstances. I have learned so much in the last 30 years. The deep worries me deeply and I when I hear your story, I the coercion, the threats, the fear you must live in on a daily basis, as you say that he's already experienced intussusception. intussusception is a life-threatening vaccine complication. It's life threatening. If this is there's nothing trivial about this. And if I were a physician, the idea that I would administer your child any further vaccines would be the last thing online. Yeah. Wow. Thank you for sharing your story. Morgan and our hearts go out to you and your family.
Lisa Beres
And I can just feel your pain and your, your just deep concern for your child and we're sending him so much love and you know, healing energy and all of that. I know you. We talked earlier and I know you're in good hands you have a wonderful physician. But yeah, I think just keep the fight and I don't know about homeschooling, if that's going to be the place to go and do everything you can to keep his body burden as low as possible, but the best body to fight whatever comes this way.
Dr. Wakefield
I think in the end, you know, what we need to do is take a stand. And Dell big tree makes this point extremely well as that you can keep running. You can run you can go even and take them out of school, you can put them to homeschool you can move state in the end unless we stand and say no, they're going to get it. Okay. And we have to stand collectively and it was astonishing how is Active just a small number of people can. Let me give you an example. In fact, we omitted a scene. Okay, we took out a scene, but there was a scene of Red Square, a video of red square on melee at the height of the Soviet Empire. And it was there were thousands and thousands and thousands of Soviet troops were marching in perfect step. There were missiles and tanks and armored cars and Politburo Standing up there saluting it all going past and it was inviolable. It was so powerful. It could never fall. Never. And then it did. And it was gone. And you ask children today about the Soviet Union about the Red Square, but maybe they won't know the thing about it. Okay. And that started because a handful of people in a Gdansk shipyard in Poland started an uprising, okay. So, it can happen it will happen and America needs to understand that it is in control that the people are actually in control and can rescue this bank from the pharmaceutical companies who are in this instance, I believe that principle officers.
Ron Beres
Is that what you hope to achieve in this film is to create awareness?
Dr. Wakefield
The goal of the film is to change the law, to change the law to make the manufacturers liable, again, for damage done by their vaccines and to start to unpick this thing. But if it has the effect of educating people, mobilizing people, and giving them the strength and resolution to take this issue on and deal with it make this their focus for forcing politicians to act in the best interest of their children or not get elected, irrespective of their historical affiliations, irrespective of whether they're blue or red doesn't matter. It's people who will pretend to your children are the most important if people take that decision, that choice now, then we can turn this around.
Lisa Beres
Yeah, and remembering that they serve us, you know, the political leaders are our servants, not the other way around. And really holding this accountability? I don't I just don't think there's another industry that has such zero accountability as the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, what other industry? Would we allow that in? Do we go to the grocery store and say, Oh, your Apple may have poison, although a lot of them do now. That's, you know, we don't just buy things with no, you know, oh, you know, this could cause harm, oh, well buy at your own risk. You know, there is oversight. And even though that could be better to with a lot of the household products and things like that there is oversight. There are studies that have to be submitted in there is legal ramifications. And then just kind of moving into the COVID, where we are today with the COVID-19. And this vaccine of these vaccines on the horizon. I think it's 72 is that it's 72. In the works right now, obviously, I'm guessing the exact same situations, the exact same fears and the exact same worries are going to be surrounding this and even more so because this is being rushed. Where is this correct, Dr. Wakefield in normal It should be a seven-year process to do adequate safety testing on a vaccine and this is going to be coming out within like a year.
Dr. Wakefield
No adequate safety testing has ever been done on a vaccine in a double blind, placebo controlled proper chemo receiver control. It's extraordinary. Something that's going to begin to every healthy child extensively in the world is not tested in the way that you would test every other medical product or device. It's not that the standard is follow, you do not require a proper to placebo. And that is unthinkable but that's what happens. So, when people tell you that these are thoroughly tested, that is a lie. It is not true.
Lisa Beres
And there has been no double-blind study?
Dr. Wakefield
No proper the placebo. So, the placebo for example, for the HPV, the human papilloma virus vaccine, is aluminum. Is there a neurotoxin that you're worried about that the placebo that's being given in high dose the girls, and that is the placebo arm of the study. That isn't the receiver. And you say, Wow, the American people have the doc.
Lisa Beres
Yeah.
Dr. Wakefield
That is what happened. So, people need to be very, very careful. As you say, buyer beware read the fine print. But I think that it's going to be worse for COVID-19 because it's been rushed to market because it's circumvented the animal safety studies because we are using molecular technology to produce these vaccines that we have never used before in human vaccination. Because we're attempting to produce a COVID vaccine for 20 years and failed. Not only failed to produce vaccines that lead to greater harm, which is why they've been abandoned, then no liability. Bill Gates Getting on a revision and saying we're going to make 7 billion people and nothing will get back to normal until we do that. Oh, and by the way, we're going to need the same story. Time and time again.
Lisa Beres
Did the President sign immunity to the COVID manufacturers I thought the opposite happened.
Dr. Wakefield
This was in the prep on the prep act is an act which is even more draconian than the national childhood Vaccine Injury act. And it allows the head of health and human services to institute a series of preventative or treatment policies in the face of something like a covert pandemic, where there is no liability at all. Whether you make it or whether you give it there's no liability. And the idea that there's compensation for any injury is utter nonsense there you may pay sort of castle attention to there's a compensation program, but you have to prove that you've been injured by the vaccine. And if they haven't done the science, there's Show them what the risks are because they're circumventing the science to get it rushed to market. You're never going to have anything to prove that your injury was due to the vaccine.
Ron Beres
Your film outlines perfectly to and how that actually happens with the fee schedule that was out there and how it was slow. It was like the boiling frog effect on how these the schedule was going to pay off for certain symptoms or things that happened from a vaccine and how it was slowly pulled away. And ultimately, it's like the Fox was preventing protecting the henhouse.
Lisa Beres
Yeah, they kept lowering or removing, I guess, some of the side effects, right, and just pulling them off of the list of side effects. So pretty soon, you know, what you had a very long list to begin with ended up being you know, just a few things, so none of those other things would be liable. Not that they're liable anyway. It's really crazy. I Ron just read a survey that 42% of people do not want to get the COVID vaccine.
Dr. Wakefield
I think you're just going to see the one the other day was over 50% said that they don't want to get a vaccine.
Lisa Beres
Right? Well, that's good news. I do think there is so much conversation around this, that people are people that I have had these conversations with are very suspicious. I think if you get the fear mongering out of the way, all the fear surrounding it and really think, you know, logically and like you said, from your intuition, I think that you would know better than to rush to something that also with the strange, right, don't we have, like 20 strains of this virus. So, making that would kind of make the vaccine irrelevant?
Dr. Wakefield
Anyway, there are two elements, the two least two elements that make the vaccine less and less likely to be effective. One of them as you point out is that the virus mutates and it may be leaving the domain, the protein that is where the vaccine targets is quite stable. It's still mutating. So, it may be that the vaccine is less than less and less effective as time goes on, and more mutations permeate the world's populace. And the other is that we have natural immunity, we are exposed to this virus we develop natural immunity and prior exposure to cold viruses, other coronaviruses have given us a much broader repertoire of immunity that made a lot of people suddenly make a lot of people pretending to this virus in the first place. So it is, it may well be that the use of a vaccine where they even Dr. Fauci predicts maybe only 30% effective and less than half of the population monitored. They're not going to come anywhere near what they think they need to produce. It's not going to work. And so, it's somewhat self-defeating in the first instance, but the problem is that they've put so much money into it, man. It's too big, too.
Lisa Beres
Oh, wow, that's scary. That is the scary part. Because I know I know, President Trump has said no, it will not be mandatory. But if we all know that could change, you know, that could change in a month or two?
Ron Beres
That's a great question. Can a governor implement something and not be nationally driven, but the state can require everyone to get vaccinated, for example?
Dr. Wakefield
That is possible unless there was an executive order to the country. I think this is the crucial thing. What needs to be understood? Is that where there is no liability, and where there is no evidence of safety, no adequate evidence of safety, there can be no mandates, there can be no federal mandate, no state mandate and no local mandate. It cannot happen. You cannot ask people. You cannot force people to take that kind of risk. So, this is so people need to vote for someone who is going to adopt that position. There will be no state, federal or local mandates for this, in light of the fact that we've rushed this to market Yes, make a vaccine, by all means make vaccines. And if people want to take them, that's their choice, that must be their choice. But if they don't want to take them, they should not be forced to do so. And so, we need to vote for people who protect our health freedoms, our autonomy and our right to decide what is injected into our bodies and the bodies of our children. Because if we get it wrong, and we get it wrong for the whole world, and in six months� time, it turns out that this vaccine is triggering autoimmune disease, the myelination, inflammatory bowel disease, then we've got a catastrophe on our hands.
Lisa Beres
The people must have the right to say. We have to have the right to choose and that goes for everything. So, this this conversation is not just relevant to the US, obviously, would you say this is this is a world problem, a worldwide concern?
Dr. Wakefield
Absolutely. Well Why concern it comes back to that 1986. Because that made the industries so powerful that they influence global policy. They influence global medical practice. They influence global medium. And that's what they do now. So, what started as bad policy in America and spread to the rest of the world?
Lisa Beres
Yeah, it's interesting because the chart that I was looking at what the dose requirements for children, it literally spikes after 1980. So, 1980 going back to that it was eight shots for children before age two, and then it went up to 49. It drastically went up in 2012. And now here we are in 2020, at 72 doses, so you can see how just that spiked right after the act.
Dr. Wakefield
So, there are some 200 doses of 200 new vaccines in the pipeline. People don't realize this.
Lisa Beres
It�s like they create the vaccine first and then the elements to go along with it. Right. I mean, I feel like this every time I see Commercial, you know, Oh, are you feeling you know, Wheezy? Hey, we've got a vaccine for that. Oh, and like anything you can think of.
Dr. Wakefield
And really, it's worse. I tell you why. And I don't mean to interrupt but I use you're quite right, but it's worse. So, chickenpox vaccine came along. We didn't need a chickenpox vaccine is a trivial disease. It's not used in many, many countries because it's a disease when it was used because the advertising was it takes mother out of the workplace for five days. So, it was an economic reason it wasn't the health of the child. But taking away epidemics of chickenpox took away exposure of adults and grandparents. And in the absence of that exposure, immunity wasn't boosted and the virus that was lying latent in their spinal nerves, reactivated the shingles. So, we had a shingles epidemic created by the removal of natural exposure to chicken pox. So, Merck said, Wow, we've created a new epidemic. Let's create a new vaccine. For that epidemic can call it shingles vaccine, and it's just the chickenpox vaccine and 10 times the dose. And that's what we do you create an epidemic, and then you've got something that you pull out of your hand to treat.
Lisa Beres
Our producer just chimed in, he had shingles at 43. And yeah, I just I never heard of shingles until I just feel like the last couple years, it just sort of was an epidemic.
Dr. Wakefield
It was a disease of people on chemotherapy and steroids. in old age.
Lisa Beres
Wow. So even with this COVID vaccine, it's not just the short-term effects, right? I mean, some of these, some of these illnesses can manifest much, much later. And that there you go back to making that hard to trace number one trace back to the vaccine, but also a lot of people may easily get it and think, Oh, I'm fine. I didn't have any adverse reactions. And then, you know, years down the road, develop some sort of issue. And that's really scary. You know, once you've got all these people Because then you've got the initial people saying, Oh, it's safe, everything's fine. And then that encourages more people to get it and then boom, maybe you aren't going to see those effects till much later.
Dr. Wakefield
That's a big, big worry. And this is why safety studies are usually conducted for a very long time in respected traditional dogs and even then, you see that Zantac now is associated with cancer. And people use the manufacturers of Zantac for cancer and that was tested for many, many years. And for safety, so these things will get us if we do not do the right safety studies. It's no good doing them once they've been licensed and gone to market. That's post marketing surveillance picks up a tiny fraction of the adverse reactions. And
Ron Beres
Dr. Wakefield one final question. You get lots of information. Do you think the government and I think I know the answer this do you think the government will make COVID-19 vaccines mandatory? You kind of alluded to this what are your thoughts there?
Dr. Wakefield
Okay, I'm going to be just straight out with it. Is it a democratic government gets it? Yes. And if a republican government gets in No, that is my opinion.
Lisa Beres
I agree with that. And the censorship. I mean, we're seeing it like an all-time high right now. We have Bill Gates, who you mentioned earlier, who is who is a, I don't mean to be rude, but a college dropout with absolutely no medical background whatsoever dictating medical advice to people and overseeing and funding so much of this and then you have, you know, these group of doctors who, right now are, you know, trying to speak out about, you know, very noninvasive 65 year safety drug that they are having success with and they're being censored.
Dr. Wakefield
And so, I think that is playing into all this to that. If people aren't getting the correct information, how can they make wise decisions. The issue and this is what they realize, of course, that by cutting off these communication channels, they can prevent people getting the right message and keep everybody frightened, everybody locked down. And that is in large part, the purpose of making a film and getting it out there as widely as we can. Because people have been educated, where they go from there, what decisions they make, that's entirely their affair, but at least they have the information. So, with your help, we will get the film out there. And we will continue to inform people so that they can make enlightened choices and that's what this is really about.
Lisa Beres
I love it informed consent. It's a basic, inalienable human right that we all deserve. And we need to, you know, there's that quote, if you think you're too small to make a difference, you've never been alone in bed with a mosquito. That's the Dalai Lama. So, you guys listening you have a voice, whether it's your neighborhood, your family your community or even on a bigger scale. We've all got to come together and protect our sovereign rights, watch the movie, share the message and get involved as much as you can. And Dr. Wakefield, we would love to have you back as the situation progresses. I know your schedule is very busy. But if you have time, and we can do a follow up at some point where things are going with COVID-19 and what the future looks like.
Ron Beres
And the film so friends, you can learn more, and you can watch Dr. Wakefield's new documentary 1986, the act and so go to www.1986The act.com Dr. Wakefield, a huge thank you for coming on the show today, sharing your knowledge and passion and for being a truth seeker and a voice for the vulnerable. I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes Until a man duplicates a blade of grass. nature can laugh at his so-called scientific knowledge. Thomas Edison.
Lisa Beres
I love that Ron. Friends You can learn more about and watched Dr. Wakefield's new documentary 1986, the act at www 1986TheAct.com. Thank you so much for joining us today. We hope you enjoyed the show as much as we did. Don't forget to take our free seven day healthy at home challenge at Bit.ly/theehealthyathomechallenge to up level your health today. We hope you enjoyed the show. Be sure to tune in next week for another very special episode and to find out what the hack is going on in your home.
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Lisa Beres
Hi, guys, thanks for joining us today. Be sure to take our free online seven day healthy at home challenge to learn how to stay safe, protect your loved ones and improve your health today. Did I mention it's free? Plus, you get a really cool Bonus Gift called the Stay Safe at Home checklist just for completing the entire week, visit bit.ly/thehealthyathomechallenge. Now, you and your family's health depend on it. The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patient in the care of human frame in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. When I became ill from toxic exposures from a newly remodeled home over a decade ago, I read this quote. In fact, it's one of my favorite Thomas Edison quotes. And it resonated so deeply with me because rather than seeking pills and patches to treat my symptoms, I committed myself to finding the root cause of my illness. Someone who understands this need all too well is our very special, esteemed and passionate guest today, father, husband, Doctor, researcher and filmmaker, Dr. Andy J. Wakefield. Guys you don't want to miss today's interview because we're going deep down the rabbit hole. In fact, here's what Robert F Kennedy Jr. has said of Dr. Wakefield. If they let Andy Wakefield on the today's show for half an hour, the whole house of cards with collapse.
Ron Beres
Dr. Andy J. Wakefield has been likened to the Dreyfus of his generation, a doctor falsely accused of scientific and medical misconduct, whose discoveries opened up entirely new perceptions of childhood autism, the gut brain link and vaccine safety as an insider. The price for his discoveries and his refusal to walk away from the issues they raised was swift and brutal, the loss of a job, career reputation, honors colleagues and country and yet he enjoys a huge and growing support from around the world. Wakefield stands made a trusted place for whistleblowers from government and industry to confess and download his extraordinary stories to share. And now as an award-winning filmmaker, he's ready to share more so despite the elaborate attempts at Stanford censorship, his documentary Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe, the revelations about vaccine scientists at the US Centers for Disease Control prevention changed the public mindset on the truth about vaccine safety. Wakefield's is a story that starts with professional trust, and the instincts of mother�s choice and consequences. A quest for truth and perseverance against overwhelming odds. Welcome to the show, Dr. Wakefield, welcome. Thank you very much guys. Very excited to be with you. Yes. Thank you for being here.
Lisa Beres
I know we have so much we want to cover and in your bio which Ron just read so nicely, I know your background is very extensive. You graduated from St. Mary's Hospital Medical School part of the University of London. You are a graduate as a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and you pursued gastrointestinal surgery with a specialty in inflammatory bowel disease, something we're going to probably get into. After acceptance into the Royal College of pathologists. You later focus on gastroenterology or you manage a team of 19 people at the Royal Free Hospital in London researching inflammatory bowel disease. And for a decade, you've published over 140 scientific papers and book chapters and was invited to give scientific commentaries in the field of inflammatory bowel disease. Did I miss anything?
Let's just dive right in. Now that you know a little bit about Dr. Wakefield, can you tell us about your latest film in 1986? The Act and it's a you know a little bit of an elusive title. Can you tell us what exactly is this movie?
Dr. Wakefield
Well, let's go into the title First of all, 1986 refers to a piece of legislation signed into law in 1986 by Ronald Reagan, which effectively gave pharmaceutical companies, blanket liability from damages done by their vaccine theme here isn't death caused by recommended childhood vaccines. And it really is the story of what happens when you take a product or an industry out of the constraints of the free market. And you'll know you'll recognize that the success of the free market is that if a product is good and it is safe, it will succeed and the company will thrive and if it's bad and it's unsafe, then it will sink to the bottom and the company later have to change or they will perish. And the problem is that when you give a company liability protection for their vaccines, in this case, there is no incentive for safety. And there is no incentive to make them better. And so, the worst thing what happens then is that you mandate the market. You force children to get vaccinated with this unsafe product. So, you have a perfect business model for the industry, what you have is no liability and a mandatory market, all you can do is make a massive profit. And that's exactly what they did. And what the film is really about is the true history of how this Act came into being. What the consequences were of this act and how it was then systematically corrupted by a collusion between the pharmaceutical industry and the regulatory agencies who were there to really to protect the American children to enact the short this film we finished filming our actors. In August September, we knew nothing of COVID-19. But the relevance of this film to where we are now is extraordinary. One has to imagine that the universe has conspired to bring all these events together at the same time, because if people are to understand where we are going with this, rush the market of untested vaccines and indemnity for the industry against 7 billion people getting a forced vaccine worldwide, then they need to look into the mirror of the story. They need to see where we came from, and they will understand very clearly what the consequences of this action are going to be.
Lisa Beres
Boy, I know you can clarify this, but I've read some of the statistics and charts on the vaccine scheduling for children and just since the 1940s how drastically that number has gone up. Going from four shots required in the 40s, then to eight shots around the 80s, and now to 2012 went up to 49. And today at 72, right? 72 required vaccine doses.
Dr. Wakefield
And that happened because of the all of the problems that we face worldwide with vaccination. Now this can be traced back to the 1960s. Because what it did is to make them so wealthy, so powerful that they could buy everybody, they could buy the politicians, they could buy policy, they could buy the media, they could buy doctors and medical training worldwide. And so, this has given them such an ordinate power. But they and it came about because they 72 doses of 16 vaccines came about because at the end Wow. They could make anything then get them amended on put on the schedule. And they could clean up and that's exactly what they did.
Ron Beres
The manufacturers can't be sued at all or is there a cap because I thought that we had stumbled across there was like a limit of 150 thousand dollars.
Dr. Wakefield
The jurisdiction of the act right now, the only way you can sue the manufacturers now. And this is absolutely key is if you can identify that they have committed scientific fraud in the licensing of their vaccine, they did something that would make them liable for punitive damages in a court of law. And that's the key to the act, because that's exactly what the film identifies. Wow, the whole thing was based on fraud
Lisa Beres
For listeners, if you want to watch the documentary, it's riveting. Ron and I watched it, it's 1986, the act.com and you can stream it right from the comfort of your own home.
Ron Beres
Dr. Wakefield, I should ask you right off the bat. Do you suspect the intent of the Act was malicious to begin with? Or do you think there was some goodwill intend to make this work for everybody because I think at the time it was it was hard to get litigation through to actually sue the manufacturers and initially from what your movies brilliant by the Way, and it really kind of laid things out. I mean, do you think the intent was good? Or was it always just malicious from the start?
Dr. Wakefield
No, I think it was it was well intended. It was well, what happened was that the it was all about pertussis vaccine, the whooping cough vaccine that was really the pivotal vaccine and how the Act came into being and the industry said, Look, you want children to have this vaccine states mandated. It's not a big profit center for us, and we're getting sued. We've made it as safe as we possibly can. And so, either you Congress give us liability protection, or we're going to pull out of the market. When we do that there'll be no pertussis vaccine and children will die and it'll be your fault. How do you feel about that? That was the subject but that was their threat to Congress. We're going to pull out and pivotal to that was the claim that they had made it as safe as they possibly could. And that was the lie. Well, they that vaccine is safer. A set it up with classes vaccine was licensed in the early 90s in the US, but they filed a patent For a safer vaccine in 1937, while he knew that they could make a safer vaccine, but for pennies per dose, they decided not to because it was going to eat into their profit margin. And it was only when a lawyer obtained the documents confirming that in discovery that they realized that they were going to go to the wall if they didn't get liability, protection from Congress, they lied to the senators, to their congressmen, to the judges, they said, we've made this as safe as possible, give us diversity protection. And that's what happens. So, Congress will see. So, was there mal intent from the pharmaceutical companies? Absolutely. Was there mal intent from those who were responsible for crafting the act in Congress? No, I don't believe so. I think they genuinely believed we needed to protect the vaccine supply based upon what they were told by the industry. And we need to compensate these children who have been damaged but if it were horribly long from that point forward.
Lisa Beres
It's crazy that it's been that long and that that act hasn't, you know, changed and been updated. But I think what you're doing obviously is bringing awareness and having this conversation and I guess it's just going to take people you know, demanding that. So, in the facts in the film are very hard hitting, do you think these manufacturers can be in trouble based on some of the information that you present in the film?
Dr. Wakefield
I hope. That's the goal has to be accountability. If there is no accountability, then we face catastrophe and we are at a pivotal point right now where the industry is being given millions billions of taxpayer dollars to make rush to market Frankenstein vaccines that have never been put into human beings before that are being shortcut are being that no animal safety testing put into people with high rates of adverse reactions in Even the healthiest trial subjects you can pick. I mean, these are the people at risk. These aren't the elderly, these are the people with diabetes are the fittest people, you can find that still having serious rates of adverse reactions. And Wall Street saying, wow, this is really promising. No, it's not disastrous. Yeah. That's what we face. So, unless we learn from the lessons of the past, unless we realize what the industry did then and what they will go on doing in the future, then I'm afraid we're just handing our bodies and souls over to them and those of our children.
Lisa Beres
Those are our future. So, there's what would you say is the percentage of vaccine I've read horror ingredient lists of what is found in a typical vaccine. I don't know if we're talking just the flu shot or you know, a variety but everything from aluminum and gelatin and animal even fetal cell tissue lines and lines for monkey DNA and latex rubber mercury in the form of thimerosal. Even glyphosate I know there was a recent study that came out that found glyphosate, MSG, is that pretty much across the board? Or would you say like, it just depends on the vaccine?
Dr. Wakefield
Some vaccines and more, some are less. So, for example, when mercury was in vaccines, it wasn't in the live viral vaccines. It was there as a preservative, so it would have killed the live viruses. So, it wasn't in MMR vaccine. It wasn't in the chickenpox vaccine, for example, but it was in the HIV and hepatitis B and the DPT vaccine that was highly toxic. It should never have been there. It was never safety tested. It was grandfathered in by the FDA. And yet it's one of the most potent neurotoxins on the planet. What was it being done in doing, you know, being injected into babies? In mammals and they knew it was madness. And so, they phased it out. They couldn't withdraw it suddenly, because that would have caused�people would have realized the extent of their error. And so, they sacrifice more children by taking it out slowly, but then they put it back into the flu vaccine and made that recommended for children over the age of six months and pregnant with What madness led to them doing that. And so, one cannot believe that they're acting in the best interest of the public. They are not. They are fighting for their own credibility. They are fighting for the companies that actually pull their strings. And they are fighting to protect the vaccine program, not the children of America. If they were fighting to protect the children of America, neurotoxins like aluminum, known, proven your toxic mercury would never have been in there in the first place. So, we have a major problem. And the problem is one of them protecting their credibility because they know if they lose their credibility, which by the way, is happening across the border. They lose it for all time.
Lisa Beres
Mm hmm. The conversations I'm hearing Are you know; people do seem to be awake and aware. And we're not saying this is an antivax versus a pro vax conversation, this is a safety conversation. I just want listeners to know that this is about safety. This is about transparency and accountability. And you know, knowing what you are going to put in your body and asking those questions and being aware, it's shocking. Children today are born with 287 chemicals in their bodies already. And that was a that was the body burden study done by the scientists at the Environmental Working Group. And they found that by testing the umbilical cord of babies in the US, so these kids are already coming in pre polluted. And then we're adding all of these chemicals and these 72 doses of vaccines that are required now by children, and it's very scary, and I hope that you guys are having a little light bulb aha moments listening to this because we've got to protect our future. We've got to protect our end ourselves with the new COVID vaccine on the forefront here. I offer you just a much more thoughtful note as well.
Dr. Wakefield
That's what the film is about. All of this is rather dark and ominous. And in the face of COVID-19 people are hearing bad news day on day on day, when in fact, there is a much more enlightened way of approaching this whole thing. And that's embodied in the film. And I hope that came across and that is the extraordinary power of maternal intuition. Okay, and this is not some sort of emotional argument with which to promote the film. This is a survival imperative. This is why we are here on this Earth right now, because of the power of that intuition. It is far more powerful than men in white coats, antibiotics, vaccines, it is achieved far more than medicine will ever achieve. And it is real and in the film, it is that mother that expectant mothers intuition that says to her, there is a problem here that I need to resolve and of course, it's challenge for her is that our husband like 95% of those triangles, those thousands of families I've interviewed where there is discord where there is conflict about vaccination of children. It's the husband, who says, Wow, you know, I'm not convinced its anti-science. polio. Polio walks out of the room.
That's the so-called logical mind the Objective Mind? No, it's not. You see the motto in this film, her intuition doesn't say don't vaccinate. It says, there is an issue here that I need to resolve. And I'm going to investigate it. I'm going to defer to the science. I'm going to read the litigation but at this stage, I am going to get to the very bottom of this by pursuing exactly that what has been said and written about this and that's what she does. So, she then comes to an enlightened physician of the end and takes her husband with him. And then, the power of this film and what mothers need to realize is that they, they need not defer to that external authority. They need to look to that internal authority because it is invariably correct. That little voice inside you is there for a very, very good reason. Yeah, please listen.
Lisa Beres
I'm sure I don't know what the percentage of vaccine injuries are. But I know people in Britain does too who have this head has happened to their children. A good friend of ours, she said she had a bad feeling the day she went in, it was probably just a high dose that day that her daughter was going to get and right after word, her daughter started having seizures and now has to be on severe seizure medication and she told me it was it's the biggest regret of her life. Because she did get that whisper and she didn't listen to it and she is very, you know, well versed on this topic. Now she researches and does a lot of great work educating other parents about it. What are the percentage do you know of children that do get injured?
Dr. Wakefield
It's enormous because we deal with autism or inflammatory bowel disease. And that's a tiny proportion of the real size of the issue. People say, Oh, my children are fine. You know, they're not autistic. They didn't react badly to their vaccines. Oh, yeah, they've got food allergies and they've got asthma and they've got anaphylaxis and they've got terrible hives and terrible eczema, but they're no they're not vaccine. Yes, they are. Okay, because that's a part of that full spectrum of Vaccine Injury. We are looking at diseases of immune derangement, immune disruption, failure, of normal education of the immune response. So, things that were innocuous in the environment like food antigens, things that we should not respond to adversity we now are responding to adversity. So, the vast majority of American children I think some 56% have a chronic medical condition and medication and care that is
Ron Beres
Yes, that would be conservative I would imagine, right?
Dr. Wakefield
Absolutely. So, people who are saying My child is not vaccine injured and not sleeping the flanks now, are they all actually like we don't know. But I can tell you this, from my experience when you're looking at epidemics of these diseases, there is no genetic epidemic. There is no, this is an environmental factor. And we're looking at those factors that have the most profound effect upon immune education and the infant. And all those it was historically infection. And now it's vaccination.
Ron Beres
So the great thing about your film and 1986 is how it's really laid out in digestible bits of information, it goes through a sequence and it does a wonderful job of kind of articulating and explaining what happened to the act from a litigation perspective and then touching into the personal element with you know, the different families involved as part of litigation various, you know, court cases, things that going on. And you also have a narrative style in there too. That's very unique to did you want to elaborate on the style of the film, because I thought it went very nicely. And it's one thing to hear this and you know, a five-minute snippet, but you kind of just lay it out chronologically, and you give the listener hope, and you give them a better understanding, I think as to what's probably going on.
Dr. Wakefield
Okay. Yeah, no, thank you. It was a nightmare. Okay, so the scenes, complex story of legislation. Science, and even the most ardent fan of this subject is going to be asleep in 10 minutes. How do you engage people in such an arcane story? And so, I was at a fundraiser in LA, raising money for the film and it was just small pop up fundraiser and there was a celebrity couple and they said, we must get behind this film, we must do everything we can to support it. And I thought, what can you do? nominee? Well, what can you actually do and I thought you can narrate the film, you can tell the story, and you can be every mother and father around every kitchen table every evening everywhere in the world. Having the same discussion right now about what do we do about vaccination for our children, there's so much conflicting evidence. So many people have so many strong opinions about this. And you can be the ones who go on a journey of discovery and you cannot pick the facts. You can present them to us in a way that we can understand them. And it was a real challenge because what you've got there is a sort of a fictional narrative style and even though these two were based upon the thousands of parents that I that I've met over the years, you've got that style combined with a documentary sort of style. It could have looked like an ice cream sundae. It could have been.
Lisa Beres
I don't know if I've ever seen a documentary.
Dr. Wakefield
I don't think it's ever been done before. And I thought it so hidden risk, and I think it paid off.
Lisa Beres
I think so.
Ron Beres
Yeah, it was like it's like an act, a great book that you can't put down, I have to say, as you as you go through the film, you just you're drawn in, right. And that is difficult to do to encapsulate everything that's been going on, and various different aspects of this issue. And I thought you did a great job.
Dr. Wakefield
Thank you. And the other thing that allows you to do, which you can't do it any other way, as far as I can see is let's say you get to a really complex piece, and the audience are going I'm not sure I got that. Then the husband said Hang on, I'm not sure I got that. Let me just do my right this, this, this and this and this. And then the audience go Ah, now I get it. Yeah, you couldn't go back. Next pieces of information and reiterate them because the husband is us.
Lisa Beres
Yes. So, he needs to hear it again and again, right? Because he starts off a little skeptical
Ron Beres
As slow as he lays it out, you're trying to say,
Lisa Beres
Hey, listen, it happened. I mean, even on my toxicity, I got sick from toxins in a newly remodeled home. And, I mean, the same thing. Ron was very like, um, I don't know, if this were true, I would be hearing about this, you know. But it's like you said, Dr. Wakefield, you know, a lot of my symptoms were symptoms that people would just chalk up as, Oh, hey, I guess that just happens in life. You know, I guess you're just chronically fatigued and lowered immunity and hormone imbalances, and, you know, all of these things that I was experiencing, until I made the connection, you know, I wasn't going to be able to ever heal, I would just be on medications and treating symptoms and then at some point that just stops working to which it did for me. So, going back to the autism and I know what that's not going to be our focus. But the rates used to be gosh,
Dr. Wakefield
It was one in 10,000 when I was in medical school, wanted Yeah, that's what we were. We weren't taught about it. It was so rare we didn't.
Lisa Beres
Was one in 10,000?
Dr. Wakefield
Now, it�s you know, one in 20.
Lisa Beres
Today it's one in 20. And mostly boys, right?
Dr. Wakefield
Mostly boys, the ratio is something like four to five to one boys. Why that is? No one's quite certain. But it's likely to be a sex hormone or testosterone versus estrogen phenomenon. Testosterone may make the brain more susceptible to neurotoxic injury where as a student protects the brain. Yeah, that's biologically plausible. Has it been proven? No. But is it open to testable? hypotheses? Yes.
Lisa Beres
Yeah. And there was a doctor I don't remember her name in the in your movie Vaxxed and she says something like it's going to be 80%. She says she gives a year by the year. I don't know. 2040?
Dr. Wakefield
In 2032 is going to be one in two children.
Lisa Beres
One in two children. It's just so crazy. And I just think that's such a point that we want to focus on here because like you were saying, these were illnesses that didn't exist. We can't say these are genetic. We can't say keep blaming them on, you know, other things, we have to realize that our lifestyles and our environment and our exposures to these chemicals are wreaking havoc on our health and we have to we have to speak up and we have to get involved and support this film anybody listening?
Ron Beres
It's an interesting information during the film to not to give anything away to you talk about mitochondrial cells and how they might be overloaded and that was like an indirect symptom to might be causing some of these autism effects in children.
Dr. Wakefield
Yeah, absolutely. When part of it once you look, you know, you've identified a potential cause. The question then becomes the mechanism, how does that cause or those causes translate into damage? And so, one of the most promising fields of researchers but how things like mercury and aluminum and viruses and toxic over load into the energy factories of the Center for the mitochondria. And once you do that the cells can't function normally. And so, your immune system is depressed, it can't function. Normally your brain doesn't function normally. And these mitochondria seem to be central to the way in which Vaccine Injury is caused. Now, if the CDC then taken that and run with it and investigated that we'd have an answer on that. But there has been a deliberate effort not to do that not to do the science, not to make the inquiry, but many, many doctors are using mitochondrial support therapies that natural therapies, very many therapies that are helping substantially so that is one of the most promising areas of research looking at mitochondrial function.
Ron Beres
And the idea is it's like overloading a battery, right. And mitochondrial cells, aren't they more in the in the brain area? Is that that correct, doctor?
Dr. Wakefield
Mitochondria are in every cell in the body. And they're particularly dense or common in those cells with a very, very high metabolism. So, the brain has a very, very high metabolic rate muscle has a high metabolic rate. So, there are higher concentrations of mitochondria in those specific regions.
Lisa Beres
Okay, and we if you're open to a color, we have Morgan on the line who is a mother of baby James, who has some questions for you. Hi, Morgan. Welcome to the show.
Caller, Morgan
Hi.
Lisa Beres
And what questions did you have for Dr. Wakefield?
Caller, Morgan
When my son was four months old, we took him in for his normal, routine vaccines. Always good for a couple days and then one night he woke up, vomiting and just very lethargic and crying and severe pain the next morning and we took him to the emergency room and, ultimately, after a couple days of back and forth with the doctors, he was diagnosed with intussusception, it's a pretty severe condition. It's an adverse side effect of the rotavirus vaccine. When we were discharged, we, we left with the impression that all would be good. And this is not really something that would affect you in the future. However, that wasn't really the case. We have now experienced a total of five episodes of interest deception. We have been through countless tests, we've been to countless doctors, we thought we were doing the best thing we could for him, and it's ultimately been just a nightmare. We've decided to discontinue vaccinations. And we can't put our time in school or in daycare because of the rules of California. So, you know, it's just a whole other set of issues that parents would never expect.
Dr. Wakefield
California resists a particularly precarious position and it's largely politically influenced but California has passed SB 276, SB 277, which force parents to vaccinate their children or they will be deprived of either public or private school education. There is now a move to come after homeschoolers, there is a move to come after medical exemptions that is meant that your doctor can no longer determine whether your child should or shouldn't have the vaccine exemption based upon his understanding of your his patient's medical history. It has to be a state authority that's never met your child that makes that decision. This destroys the entire doctor patient relationship. And it is a move a deliberate calculated move towards an authoritarian regime that will make sure every child and in the end every man, woman and child in California will get vaccinated with no exceptions. That is an extraordinary day. In your situation, it is an attempt to set the precedent for the rest of the United States on the basis of what happens in California will translate everywhere. And it's come about, largely because the democrats in California are extremely dependent upon the pharmaceutical industry for their funding. In campaign funding, they don't get money from the automotive industry, they don't get money from the oil and gas industry. So, they have become dependent largely on the magnanimous pharmaceutical industry, if that's not one of the most extraordinary contradictions. And that makes them very vulnerable because they then pursued policies in the interests of the pharmaceutical companies and not in the interest of the people. And that's exactly what we're seeing in California. And Californians have to an extent allowed this to occur because of their inherent bias towards the dominant Democratic Party. Now, this isn't an argument about I'm an observer on American politics. I come from a So I have no particular political affiliation. But I can tell you this. But when it comes to the next election, the person you've got to vote for the people, you've got to vote for your children. So, you've got to vote for about past affiliations, past beliefs. This is about a situation in which as we've just discussed by 2030, to one in two children in this country will have autism. Those are the CDC official statistics. And they're getting worse than that. Now. That means 80% of the boys given that there's a higher bias towards boys having autism. At that age, politics is irrelevant. At that stage, there is no economy. You either have autism or you look after someone with autism, there is no foreign policy. America is irrelevant. There is no standing army, no police force, if we allow that to happen. And that is the way it's headed. And California is leading the way.
Lisa Beres
There's really no use of moving to a different state, Dr. Wakefield, right because if this rolls Well, it's already rolled out in California, but it's going to set a precedent for all the states. Right?
Dr. Wakefield
There's a good point. There are many, many people, many people I know who are moving out of California right now. They these are the big earners. These are the taxpayers, what happens to the infrastructure of that state when all of these people are gone? And they're moving? I mean, I came from Austin, Texas, Boston, house prices have been driven up by Californians moving into Austin, Texas, a value above any other state devalues. Its personal freedoms and health freedoms. But I cannot stress to the people of California enough how we have got to take back our bodily autonomy, our whole freedom, we have got to be in a position to make decisions for our children ourselves and not leave it in the hands of politicians, and particularly of the pharmaceutical companies and with COVID-19 vaccination. That is where this is being driven. And you saw it in the in the in the censorship. When it's when censorship started on social media and on mainstream media, it started with the anti vaxxers. And it started with those then who questioned vaccine safety and it spread to those who talked about health freedom and then it spread to the mainstream. Now it's spread to doctors, in white coats getting up in front of the Supreme Court telling about their clinical experience with COVID-19. Their direct clinical experiences of frontline doctors, these probably people who probably never uttered a word against vaccines and their lines, but here are they being censored. So, when you have to censor the mainstream, you are focusing upon an exclusive narrative of it can be vaccines and vaccines only that will save the world and nothing else matters and that discloses that declares the true agenda. and powerful. Please get on board and understand what is happening.
Lisa Beres
Yeah, I want to get into that Morgan. Did that answer your question? Did you have any other questions for Dr. Wakefield?
Caller, Morgan
Basically, at this point in time, if we want to enroll our schools in California, in our only option would be to get him up to date on his vaccines, you know, which is a difficult decision to make in light of everything that's happened to him and your only other options would be to move out of state or to do home schooling. You know, one thing that I have really realized from what we've been through is it's so important to just be informed and know, every appointment, you know, what was going to be given what the side effects were, of what could occur, you know, it's so important to really be aware of what's going on. And make sure you do research.
Dr. Wakefield
I mean, the writings on the wall and I you have my utmost sympathy. I didn't give individual advice about vaccine choices. It's evident to you the choices that you must make Oh, I can say is that if I had a baby today, a newborn baby, would I vaccinate them? No. So that is the honest answer I can give to you about what I would do given those circumstances. I have learned so much in the last 30 years. The deep worries me deeply and I when I hear your story, I the coercion, the threats, the fear you must live in on a daily basis, as you say that he's already experienced intussusception. intussusception is a life-threatening vaccine complication. It's life threatening. If this is there's nothing trivial about this. And if I were a physician, the idea that I would administer your child any further vaccines would be the last thing online. Yeah. Wow. Thank you for sharing your story. Morgan and our hearts go out to you and your family.
Lisa Beres
And I can just feel your pain and your, your just deep concern for your child and we're sending him so much love and you know, healing energy and all of that. I know you. We talked earlier and I know you're in good hands you have a wonderful physician. But yeah, I think just keep the fight and I don't know about homeschooling, if that's going to be the place to go and do everything you can to keep his body burden as low as possible, but the best body to fight whatever comes this way.
Dr. Wakefield
I think in the end, you know, what we need to do is take a stand. And Dell big tree makes this point extremely well as that you can keep running. You can run you can go even and take them out of school, you can put them to homeschool you can move state in the end unless we stand and say no, they're going to get it. Okay. And we have to stand collectively and it was astonishing how is Active just a small number of people can. Let me give you an example. In fact, we omitted a scene. Okay, we took out a scene, but there was a scene of Red Square, a video of red square on melee at the height of the Soviet Empire. And it was there were thousands and thousands and thousands of Soviet troops were marching in perfect step. There were missiles and tanks and armored cars and Politburo Standing up there saluting it all going past and it was inviolable. It was so powerful. It could never fall. Never. And then it did. And it was gone. And you ask children today about the Soviet Union about the Red Square, but maybe they won't know the thing about it. Okay. And that started because a handful of people in a Gdansk shipyard in Poland started an uprising, okay. So, it can happen it will happen and America needs to understand that it is in control that the people are actually in control and can rescue this bank from the pharmaceutical companies who are in this instance, I believe that principle officers.
Ron Beres
Is that what you hope to achieve in this film is to create awareness?
Dr. Wakefield
The goal of the film is to change the law, to change the law to make the manufacturers liable, again, for damage done by their vaccines and to start to unpick this thing. But if it has the effect of educating people, mobilizing people, and giving them the strength and resolution to take this issue on and deal with it make this their focus for forcing politicians to act in the best interest of their children or not get elected, irrespective of their historical affiliations, irrespective of whether they're blue or red doesn't matter. It's people who will pretend to your children are the most important if people take that decision, that choice now, then we can turn this around.
Lisa Beres
Yeah, and remembering that they serve us, you know, the political leaders are our servants, not the other way around. And really holding this accountability? I don't I just don't think there's another industry that has such zero accountability as the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, what other industry? Would we allow that in? Do we go to the grocery store and say, Oh, your Apple may have poison, although a lot of them do now. That's, you know, we don't just buy things with no, you know, oh, you know, this could cause harm, oh, well buy at your own risk. You know, there is oversight. And even though that could be better to with a lot of the household products and things like that there is oversight. There are studies that have to be submitted in there is legal ramifications. And then just kind of moving into the COVID, where we are today with the COVID-19. And this vaccine of these vaccines on the horizon. I think it's 72 is that it's 72. In the works right now, obviously, I'm guessing the exact same situations, the exact same fears and the exact same worries are going to be surrounding this and even more so because this is being rushed. Where is this correct, Dr. Wakefield in normal It should be a seven-year process to do adequate safety testing on a vaccine and this is going to be coming out within like a year.
Dr. Wakefield
No adequate safety testing has ever been done on a vaccine in a double blind, placebo controlled proper chemo receiver control. It's extraordinary. Something that's going to begin to every healthy child extensively in the world is not tested in the way that you would test every other medical product or device. It's not that the standard is follow, you do not require a proper to placebo. And that is unthinkable but that's what happens. So, when people tell you that these are thoroughly tested, that is a lie. It is not true.
Lisa Beres
And there has been no double-blind study?
Dr. Wakefield
No proper the placebo. So, the placebo for example, for the HPV, the human papilloma virus vaccine, is aluminum. Is there a neurotoxin that you're worried about that the placebo that's being given in high dose the girls, and that is the placebo arm of the study. That isn't the receiver. And you say, Wow, the American people have the doc.
Lisa Beres
Yeah.
Dr. Wakefield
That is what happened. So, people need to be very, very careful. As you say, buyer beware read the fine print. But I think that it's going to be worse for COVID-19 because it's been rushed to market because it's circumvented the animal safety studies because we are using molecular technology to produce these vaccines that we have never used before in human vaccination. Because we're attempting to produce a COVID vaccine for 20 years and failed. Not only failed to produce vaccines that lead to greater harm, which is why they've been abandoned, then no liability. Bill Gates Getting on a revision and saying we're going to make 7 billion people and nothing will get back to normal until we do that. Oh, and by the way, we're going to need the same story. Time and time again.
Lisa Beres
Did the President sign immunity to the COVID manufacturers I thought the opposite happened.
Dr. Wakefield
This was in the prep on the prep act is an act which is even more draconian than the national childhood Vaccine Injury act. And it allows the head of health and human services to institute a series of preventative or treatment policies in the face of something like a covert pandemic, where there is no liability at all. Whether you make it or whether you give it there's no liability. And the idea that there's compensation for any injury is utter nonsense there you may pay sort of castle attention to there's a compensation program, but you have to prove that you've been injured by the vaccine. And if they haven't done the science, there's Show them what the risks are because they're circumventing the science to get it rushed to market. You're never going to have anything to prove that your injury was due to the vaccine.
Ron Beres
Your film outlines perfectly to and how that actually happens with the fee schedule that was out there and how it was slow. It was like the boiling frog effect on how these the schedule was going to pay off for certain symptoms or things that happened from a vaccine and how it was slowly pulled away. And ultimately, it's like the Fox was preventing protecting the henhouse.
Lisa Beres
Yeah, they kept lowering or removing, I guess, some of the side effects, right, and just pulling them off of the list of side effects. So pretty soon, you know, what you had a very long list to begin with ended up being you know, just a few things, so none of those other things would be liable. Not that they're liable anyway. It's really crazy. I Ron just read a survey that 42% of people do not want to get the COVID vaccine.
Dr. Wakefield
I think you're just going to see the one the other day was over 50% said that they don't want to get a vaccine.
Lisa Beres
Right? Well, that's good news. I do think there is so much conversation around this, that people are people that I have had these conversations with are very suspicious. I think if you get the fear mongering out of the way, all the fear surrounding it and really think, you know, logically and like you said, from your intuition, I think that you would know better than to rush to something that also with the strange, right, don't we have, like 20 strains of this virus. So, making that would kind of make the vaccine irrelevant?
Dr. Wakefield
Anyway, there are two elements, the two least two elements that make the vaccine less and less likely to be effective. One of them as you point out is that the virus mutates and it may be leaving the domain, the protein that is where the vaccine targets is quite stable. It's still mutating. So, it may be that the vaccine is less than less and less effective as time goes on, and more mutations permeate the world's populace. And the other is that we have natural immunity, we are exposed to this virus we develop natural immunity and prior exposure to cold viruses, other coronaviruses have given us a much broader repertoire of immunity that made a lot of people suddenly make a lot of people pretending to this virus in the first place. So it is, it may well be that the use of a vaccine where they even Dr. Fauci predicts maybe only 30% effective and less than half of the population monitored. They're not going to come anywhere near what they think they need to produce. It's not going to work. And so, it's somewhat self-defeating in the first instance, but the problem is that they've put so much money into it, man. It's too big, too.
Lisa Beres
Oh, wow, that's scary. That is the scary part. Because I know I know, President Trump has said no, it will not be mandatory. But if we all know that could change, you know, that could change in a month or two?
Ron Beres
That's a great question. Can a governor implement something and not be nationally driven, but the state can require everyone to get vaccinated, for example?
Dr. Wakefield
That is possible unless there was an executive order to the country. I think this is the crucial thing. What needs to be understood? Is that where there is no liability, and where there is no evidence of safety, no adequate evidence of safety, there can be no mandates, there can be no federal mandate, no state mandate and no local mandate. It cannot happen. You cannot ask people. You cannot force people to take that kind of risk. So, this is so people need to vote for someone who is going to adopt that position. There will be no state, federal or local mandates for this, in light of the fact that we've rushed this to market Yes, make a vaccine, by all means make vaccines. And if people want to take them, that's their choice, that must be their choice. But if they don't want to take them, they should not be forced to do so. And so, we need to vote for people who protect our health freedoms, our autonomy and our right to decide what is injected into our bodies and the bodies of our children. Because if we get it wrong, and we get it wrong for the whole world, and in six months� time, it turns out that this vaccine is triggering autoimmune disease, the myelination, inflammatory bowel disease, then we've got a catastrophe on our hands.
Lisa Beres
The people must have the right to say. We have to have the right to choose and that goes for everything. So, this this conversation is not just relevant to the US, obviously, would you say this is this is a world problem, a worldwide concern?
Dr. Wakefield
Absolutely. Well Why concern it comes back to that 1986. Because that made the industries so powerful that they influence global policy. They influence global medical practice. They influence global medium. And that's what they do now. So, what started as bad policy in America and spread to the rest of the world?
Lisa Beres
Yeah, it's interesting because the chart that I was looking at what the dose requirements for children, it literally spikes after 1980. So, 1980 going back to that it was eight shots for children before age two, and then it went up to 49. It drastically went up in 2012. And now here we are in 2020, at 72 doses, so you can see how just that spiked right after the act.
Dr. Wakefield
So, there are some 200 doses of 200 new vaccines in the pipeline. People don't realize this.
Lisa Beres
It�s like they create the vaccine first and then the elements to go along with it. Right. I mean, I feel like this every time I see Commercial, you know, Oh, are you feeling you know, Wheezy? Hey, we've got a vaccine for that. Oh, and like anything you can think of.
Dr. Wakefield
And really, it's worse. I tell you why. And I don't mean to interrupt but I use you're quite right, but it's worse. So, chickenpox vaccine came along. We didn't need a chickenpox vaccine is a trivial disease. It's not used in many, many countries because it's a disease when it was used because the advertising was it takes mother out of the workplace for five days. So, it was an economic reason it wasn't the health of the child. But taking away epidemics of chickenpox took away exposure of adults and grandparents. And in the absence of that exposure, immunity wasn't boosted and the virus that was lying latent in their spinal nerves, reactivated the shingles. So, we had a shingles epidemic created by the removal of natural exposure to chicken pox. So, Merck said, Wow, we've created a new epidemic. Let's create a new vaccine. For that epidemic can call it shingles vaccine, and it's just the chickenpox vaccine and 10 times the dose. And that's what we do you create an epidemic, and then you've got something that you pull out of your hand to treat.
Lisa Beres
Our producer just chimed in, he had shingles at 43. And yeah, I just I never heard of shingles until I just feel like the last couple years, it just sort of was an epidemic.
Dr. Wakefield
It was a disease of people on chemotherapy and steroids. in old age.
Lisa Beres
Wow. So even with this COVID vaccine, it's not just the short-term effects, right? I mean, some of these, some of these illnesses can manifest much, much later. And that there you go back to making that hard to trace number one trace back to the vaccine, but also a lot of people may easily get it and think, Oh, I'm fine. I didn't have any adverse reactions. And then, you know, years down the road, develop some sort of issue. And that's really scary. You know, once you've got all these people Because then you've got the initial people saying, Oh, it's safe, everything's fine. And then that encourages more people to get it and then boom, maybe you aren't going to see those effects till much later.
Dr. Wakefield
That's a big, big worry. And this is why safety studies are usually conducted for a very long time in respected traditional dogs and even then, you see that Zantac now is associated with cancer. And people use the manufacturers of Zantac for cancer and that was tested for many, many years. And for safety, so these things will get us if we do not do the right safety studies. It's no good doing them once they've been licensed and gone to market. That's post marketing surveillance picks up a tiny fraction of the adverse reactions. And
Ron Beres
Dr. Wakefield one final question. You get lots of information. Do you think the government and I think I know the answer this do you think the government will make COVID-19 vaccines mandatory? You kind of alluded to this what are your thoughts there?
Dr. Wakefield
Okay, I'm going to be just straight out with it. Is it a democratic government gets it? Yes. And if a republican government gets in No, that is my opinion.
Lisa Beres
I agree with that. And the censorship. I mean, we're seeing it like an all-time high right now. We have Bill Gates, who you mentioned earlier, who is who is a, I don't mean to be rude, but a college dropout with absolutely no medical background whatsoever dictating medical advice to people and overseeing and funding so much of this and then you have, you know, these group of doctors who, right now are, you know, trying to speak out about, you know, very noninvasive 65 year safety drug that they are having success with and they're being censored.
Dr. Wakefield
And so, I think that is playing into all this to that. If people aren't getting the correct information, how can they make wise decisions. The issue and this is what they realize, of course, that by cutting off these communication channels, they can prevent people getting the right message and keep everybody frightened, everybody locked down. And that is in large part, the purpose of making a film and getting it out there as widely as we can. Because people have been educated, where they go from there, what decisions they make, that's entirely their affair, but at least they have the information. So, with your help, we will get the film out there. And we will continue to inform people so that they can make enlightened choices and that's what this is really about.
Lisa Beres
I love it informed consent. It's a basic, inalienable human right that we all deserve. And we need to, you know, there's that quote, if you think you're too small to make a difference, you've never been alone in bed with a mosquito. That's the Dalai Lama. So, you guys listening you have a voice, whether it's your neighborhood, your family your community or even on a bigger scale. We've all got to come together and protect our sovereign rights, watch the movie, share the message and get involved as much as you can. And Dr. Wakefield, we would love to have you back as the situation progresses. I know your schedule is very busy. But if you have time, and we can do a follow up at some point where things are going with COVID-19 and what the future looks like.
Ron Beres
And the film so friends, you can learn more, and you can watch Dr. Wakefield's new documentary 1986, the act and so go to www.1986The act.com Dr. Wakefield, a huge thank you for coming on the show today, sharing your knowledge and passion and for being a truth seeker and a voice for the vulnerable. I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes Until a man duplicates a blade of grass. nature can laugh at his so-called scientific knowledge. Thomas Edison.
Lisa Beres
I love that Ron. Friends You can learn more about and watched Dr. Wakefield's new documentary 1986, the act at www 1986TheAct.com. Thank you so much for joining us today. We hope you enjoyed the show as much as we did. Don't forget to take our free seven day healthy at home challenge at Bit.ly/theehealthyathomechallenge to up level your health today. We hope you enjoyed the show. Be sure to tune in next week for another very special episode and to find out what the hack is going on in your home.
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