120 | The Fluoride Controversy + Brain Health

Episode 120_ The fluoride controversy and brain health

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[00:00:00] Narrator: How would you like to improve your health and keep your family safe? You are listening to the Healthy Home Hacks podcast where we firmly believe enjoying optimal health shouldn't be a luxury. Healthy home. Authorities and husband and wife team, Ron and Lisa. We'll help you create a home environment that will level up your health.

It's time to hear from the expert, listen in on honest conversations, and gain the best tips and advice. If you are ready to dive in and improve your wellbeing and increase your energy, you are in the right place. Alright, here are your hosts, B biologists, authors, media darlings, vicarious vegans, and avocado aficionados, Ron and Lisa Beres.

[00:00:49] Ron Beres: Welcome back to the Healthy Home Hack Show. I'm Ron and I am Lisa.

Ron, are you as overwhelmed as I am by all the contradicting health information out there on social media and on the internet. It changes by the minute.

[00:01:06] Ron Beres: Yes, Lisa. Oh my gosh, yes. We are bombarded with the confusing mix of messages about health, diet and exercise trends, wellness fas, and more.

What's really right. Well, the truth is real wellness doesn't come from food. Programs are pills. It begins with

You are gonna leave our listeners hanging right there.

[00:01:32] Ron Beres: Well, how is that for a cliffhanger? If you wanna know the answer, stay with us friends, because our special guest today is going to reveal what that is, as well as dive into.

The fluoride controversy and brain health and what you need to know when it comes to oral health.

Grab a notebook, folks, and let's get started. Dr. Michelle Jorgensen is an author, speaker, teacher, biologic and holistic dentist and health and wellness provider. And she's also the author of Living Well with Dr.

Michelle, a comprehensive handbook for Optimal health and Unlimited Energy. After practicing traditional dentistry for 10 years, Michelle became very sick through her own path to return to health. She discovered she had mercury poisoning from drilling out mercury fillings for her patients.

[00:02:28] Ron Beres: Yik, isn't it crazy?

This path led her to discover ways to improve her families and her own health in all facets of life. She found answers in the kitchen, in the garden, and at home, and she has. Found what it takes to live well in today's world. And Dr. Michelle, she wants to share those ways to live well with you. So without further ado, welcome to the show.

Dr. Michelle. Yes, thank

you. I'm so excited to be here. What an introduction. I love it. Ron's never mellow when it comes to.

[00:03:03] Ron Beres: Well, we had to go big for you, Dr. Michelle. Right? We had to go big. I

appreciate it. Well, welcome to the show. We are thrilled to have you with us today. Thank you. I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to talk. Yes,

[00:03:15] Ron Beres: so right to it. Most people feel exhausted and rundown even when they try to be healthy. Why is this happening and what's the real solution?

One of the best analogies I've ever come up with that I absolutely love is the concept of when you cut your finger. So let's say you're opening a box today and you get a paper cut.

You cut your finger, okay, it hurts, right? It hurts, is sore. You put a bandaid on it. Why? Because the bandaid protects it, keeps it from getting dirty, you know, keeps the two sides together. But does the bandaid do the healing?

[00:03:52] Ron Beres: No. Oh my goodness. No. Doesn't it assist the healing, isn't it keeping the wound together?

Sure. But does it do the healing? No. Your body does okay.

[00:04:01] Ron Beres: It, it does not you. You funking,

right? Bandaid doesn't heal your finger. What actually does the healing your body, I. Your body. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, your immune system steps in first and it says, guys, guess what? There's trouble brewing over here. We got a big old cut.

We need to fix this up. So the cleanup crew comes in first, right? And cleans up everything. That's why it gets a little swollen, a little red. Sometimes you feel that pulsing. This is all of those warriors coming and doing the job, and then they say, all right guys, we got the area clean. Now the construction crew, it's time for you to come in.

So then those skin cells come and they start stitching themselves together so tightly that cut doesn't separate again. And two amazing things. First of all, it happens quickly, right? That cut's gone within 10 days. You're just like, I didn't even think about it again after a day or two. And number two, it did all that work without you even telling it what to do.

[00:04:53] Lisa Beres: Every

single one of those things happened without you directing that action. Right, so your body and cells know what to do to stay well. They know what to do to give you the energy you need to live the life you want. They know how to do it. So we are asking the wrong questions today because we're asking what kind of medicine should we take?

What supplements should we take? What diet program should we eat? What exercise programs should we follow? Those are the questions we're asking, and that is what leads us to this overwhelm that you talked about. Yeah. What in the world do I do, right? That's the wrong question. Because all of those things are nothing more than band-aids.

They're there to support your body in doing the job it already knows how to do. Yeah. Real question we should be asking is, what do my cells need to do the job that they know how to do?

[00:05:47] Ron Beres: So you saying I asked the wrong question, was that the wrong question to ask? Or how did that Well, no kidding the

question we know to ask,

[00:05:54] Ron Beres: right?

Because we don't know to say. My body already has this, it's already got it all going on. What does it need to do the job? So that's where I took as a deep dive and said, okay, what does every cell require to be well, right. So supplementing is good if you're doing it? Absolutely, because it's, it's the support.

So every cell needs supplies, supplies are gonna come from where, from food, from supplements, from water, from air. Every cell needs those things. Every cell needs support. It needs its garbage dumped every once in a while. It needs help with that. It needs security. Like we can't just have a bombardment of viruses or bacteria and expect to be well, and it needs signals.

The cells need to be able to talk to one another. And that's where a lot of the toxin talks that you come in, comes from because cells can't talk to one another when they're bogged down with a whole bunch of garbage. Yeah. They need all of those things. Yeah. But the cells are the ones that are gonna do the work.

[00:06:52] Lisa Beres: Right. So the

starting question is. What cells need help first, and then what do they need? So that's what I've done in my book, is I actually went to all sorts of different traditional medical methodologies, everything from Chinese traditional medicine to Ayurveda in India, Korean, Saan, medicine, all of these, and I said, they've been keeping people well for centuries, right?

[00:07:14] Ron Beres: Yeah.

What did they know? And how can we consolidate this and simplify it so that we can use it today as well. And I've created a symptoms assessment. So you plug your symptoms in? Mm-hmm. And then based on the results of the assessment that tells you which cells need help. Ooh, where do we get that assessment?

In your book? Yeah, you get it in the book, absolutely. But you can also get it online@livingwellbook.com. Oh. So yes, because is the place to go. Because what it tells you is where to start, and that's often where the overwhelm comes in. Is we hear all of these one size fits all supplements. Yes. And diet programs and everything.

And none of them are bad, but cannot be what your cells need right now. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. Oh, it makes theory speaking my language and runs language and yeah. Yes. So where do you start? And this gives you you that starting point to say, what cells need help first. And then you go from there and I teach you.

What do you give those cells so they, and at different times of year, you probably need different things, right? And different age. All of the above, ages, different age periods of your life. And, and I love that you said that because actually the way I've set this up, every single traditional medical methodology used the seasons of the earth and the elements of the earth.

Mm. To classify bodies, to classify disease. They're all talking about springs and summer and fire and water. So that's the way I use this classification system as well, and every body cycles. So interestingly enough, I'm patient zero for all of this, right? You try everything first on yourself. But I first took the assessment.

I was a spring, I came out as a spring, and the spring means you are liver and gallbladder need help first. Oh, okay. I started detoxing. Okay. I started doing all of those things to support my body. I'm no longer in a spring. I'm actually in a winter right now. Okay. 'cause I keep requesting about every two months or so, like out.

[00:09:03] Ron Beres: Are you saying that you're done Is win? Is winter the last stage?

Winter's the last stage, but then you get back to spring. Oh, you're never done. Ron's all that happen. You're never done. Your body always needs your help and keeping itself well. But he is. This gives you the power to do it at home. On your own.

You don't have to rely on a doctor or whatever else to do it. Yes, right. I just read the health report, the White House Health report that just came out that said that kids today are the sickest they've ever been. The chronic illness with kids today is just skyrocketing from environmental, toxins, food screen, time, medication, all of this.

And so like what you're saying is so, so important. Listeners, if you are dealing with health issues or have kids that are like, this is so important, instead of going to get your bandaid, AKA pill. Which everyone's used to, and you might feel better for a day or two or maybe a week, but then right, it comes back, or you're in a lifelong of taking that you're in a lifelong cycle.

So it's just a, an infinite loop that you can't get out of. Right. So, and you're not really addressing what the cells really need. Right. I'm never, I mean, oftentimes covering up what they need. Yeah. Covering up the symptom, which I liken too. It's like the warning light on your dashboard of your car. You can put duct tape over it.

Right. You don't see the warning light anymore. Yeah. Right. But the problem, that's a good analogy. Analogy. Yeah, that's a great analogy. Yeah. It's just like, you know, you take ibuprofen for a headache, well, you feel better. The reason that you got a headache was never addressed. Right. So the body's not well, the cells aren't Well, yeah.

You just covered over the symptom. Symptoms are not the thing to treat and that's honestly what modern medicine has really led us to believe is the symptoms are there. That's the problem. We have to take care of the symptom, but symptoms are actually the sign. It's the only way our cells have to communicate with us, right?

That's how our cells tell us what's wrong. Yeah. To be able to interpret. Our cells signs. We need to know what that means and what to do about it. Right, right. That's what this is all about, is just saying, okay, I have the headache. What does that mean? What does it cause by? We have so many toxins in our world today.

We are bombarded, and I agree with you that you can't coast through life, like just expecting that you're gonna be okay without being proactive anymore. It's just very hard to avoid all of these TOXs then. Then we have the wifi and the electromed radiation and all of that. Just on top of it. So, but I wanna backtrack a little and have you share with our listeners your personal journey of your mercury toxicity and the hidden dangers in dentistry.

Yep. So this is an interesting thing because the book isn't all about dentistry, but there's so many components. That relate to dentistry, and I'll explain why in a bit. So yeah, I'm a general dentist and I was working with my father, he's a dentist as well. I was doing a lot of cosmetic dentistry because I like, I'm really artsy.

I like creating things. And it was awesome. Like I was loving my career. I thought I would do this forever. And then I started to get really sick. And when you get sick, you just start. Shop, getting everything right. You go to every doctor you can think of, every test you can think of, and I wasn't getting answers anywhere.

My symptoms were major gut issues. I almost couldn't even drink water sometimes without pain. So it was really bad. I lost a ton of weight. It, it was really, I was very, very ill. My brain, I've always had a good memory and I couldn't even complete sentences or remember a patient's name from room to room anymore.

I mean, it was noticeably different. The third one. That was really the icing on the cake was I had such bad, painful numbness in my hands. I couldn't sleep at night. I couldn't blow dry my hair. I couldn't brush my teeth, and I didn't have the dexterity to hold my dental instruments anymore.

[00:12:41] Ron Beres: Oh, wow.

So at this point, I actually put my practice for sale because nobody could give me answers.

And this was, I was in my mid thirties, I had four young kids. My husband worked for the practice. This was our entire livelihood. Wow. This was all going up in smoke right now. So I was just trying to figure out what was I gonna do and I finally, I reached out to a dentist who had a nutritionist in this practice because I thought, well, I, you know, I've learned a lot about nutrition, trying to fix my gut.

Maybe I can just talk to people about that. And he said, your symptoms sounds so much like mine. If you looked into mercury poisoning is a problem. I said, well, I don't have any mercury fillings. 'cause I learned like first year of dental school that silver fillings are 50% mercury.

[00:13:20] Ron Beres: Wow. You know that.

But it is true.

50%. Really?

[00:13:23] Ron Beres: That is 50%. I didn't know it was that high. Wow. I didn't

need it yet. Still today, every filling that's placed in the mouth today, that silver is 50% mercury. So I learned that. But I said, well, I don't have any fillings and you know, I wonder that they're perfectly safe. And he said, well. First of all, it's not the fillings you have, it's the ones you've been drilling out as a cosmetic dentist because people, they don't like the black filling look.

So I'd been drilling a lot of them out and breathing it in with no protection and isn't it worth just going to get tested? Yeah, I said, you're right. It is. I've done everything else, so I might as well do this. Tested, and that's what it was. Mercury toxic. Wow. Do you remember the level? I don't even remember.

It was 15 years ago. Thank goodness. It was at the top of the top. Like you couldn't go higher than where Oh, right. That's what I was getting. Wow. Like that. So, yeah, because when I first did my removal, I went to a dentist that didn't use a dam. Then of course I realized that was a booboo and Ron got his removed.

I'm like, you've gotta go to a dentist that has a dam and now they all use the dams. Right? The good holistic. No, they, well, good holistic dentist. Yes. Not everybody, not every dentist, but yeah. And that's really where I had to go next. Once I found out this answer is the doctors said, okay, we finally got it.

We finally figured out what's wrong. You can't keep putting it in and take it out at the same time. Like, that doesn't work. You know, boxing, you can't put it in as fast as you take it out. So they said, you've gotta figure out a way to do this or you've gotta give up your job. So I found that, well, there was an organization that had protocol for this, and that's what you're talking about, using a dental dam, using, we have a giant vacuum that goes to the base of the chin.

You know, the doctor wears this huge mercury filtration mask. I mean, lot of steps to keep the patient and the practitioner both safe and the dental assistant and reception. Yeah, the whole office. Right. The HVAC system, you know? Wow. Yeah. Right. So we started doing all of this and the patients obviously noticed something was different.

Right. This walks into a hazmat

[00:15:09] Ron Beres: suit. Exactly right.

It's like haz, okay, well what's going on here? So they started asking questions and I would explain, this is for me, but it's also good for you. And they were all very happy about that and started telling friends and family and doctors about it. And people started saying, well, what else do you know about fluoride?

You know, what's really the truth there? And what do you know about root canals? I've hurt issues here and. I didn't know anything about anything like literal. I knew nothing about any of these things, and I had to just start taking major deep dives, finding obscure education programs all over the country and educating myself because these are sacred cows inside of dentistry.

These are things you don't touch. These are things you don't dispute. Yeah. Yeah. And. I personally couldn't do that anymore because I said, well, if this made me sick and I knew nothing about it, and I am inside of the profession and the profession's still telling me they're perfectly safe.

[00:16:01] Ron Beres: Right.

What else?

Well, isn't it interesting like, 'cause it's a heavy metal, it's a toxic metal, and they're like, don't play with the thermometer. If you break it. Don't touch the mercury. Every kid knows that, but then they're like, oh yeah, we'll put it in your mouth though. Yeah.

That's crazy. So, and what would you say, like they wear down right over time, so not just the vapors of removing, but how much mercury are you getting when you have mercury fillings, like it's released from the fillings 24 7. Oh wow. When I was in school, I was told if I told anybody that Mercury could affect their health, I would lose my license.

Oh my goodness. That's another reason I was very reluctant to go down this road at all. Thankfully, research is now backing what I'm telling you. I can tell you now. Yeah. Yeah. It's released from those fillings 24 7, and it is released more when they're stimulation. So when you're chewing. Or when you have hot and cold cycling, so you Oh wow.

Drink the cold drink of water and then you eat a bite of hot soup, it's gonna, it release more mercury. So it is a 24 7 release of that mercury into the system when you have fillings. Oh. Which is like everyone, a lot of people, a lot of hot mercury fillings is eating and hot, hot

[00:17:10] Ron Beres: coffee soup for lunch, and then like an nice cold ice cream at night or like a daily thing.

Yeah. Right. Not to digress, but how long did it take you to get back to your practice? Were you gone for like two, three months as you recovered?

I just kept going.

[00:17:22] Ron Beres: Okay.

Voice kept working. Okay. I didn't have that voice. Yeah, right. So, but it took me about eight years to feel like I had my brain back,

[00:17:29] Lisa Beres: you know?

Oh wow. I just

kept working. 'cause you just have to after. Yeah. You had your family. So what did you do for the detox? Was it herbs or? So there's a couple of interesting things, and because you talk so much about toxins and things, these are interesting pieces for you to know too, for people who are listening to this to know, there are different genetic variants that make bodies more or less capable of detoxing things.

And the gene, so right. Janine, MT hfr is a real common one that makes it very difficult to detox. I just literally got another genetic test yesterday back, and it's like, yep, yep, yep. No detox. I think I have that. I need to take it. I'm sure I did. Yes. Actually, there's some signs people can look for that are very interesting to know.

If you have M-T-H-F-R. Number one is if you have a tongue tie or a lip tie. Yours a little tied. Yep. If you have a narrow mouth, that's often M-T-H-F-R because it's a midline deficiency. Things will happen on the middle of the face, in the middle of the body, so, oh really? If you have any kind of a hernia, that's often a good sign that you've got M-T-H-F-R.

She's checking out her lips at her tongues now. Then some of the other things to look for is if like medication doesn't affect you really well, so you can take an ibuprofen and it doesn't really do much. Or you go to get anesthetic at the hospital and they gotta give you a lot or a little bit. Does a lot like you stay up for forever, you know?

Yeah. I'm like hyper, hyper hypersensitive to everything. Yep. So that's you. Yep. Most likely you have this genetic variant, so what it means is you're not able to detox very fast. Your processes don't work very well. Another piece that's so interesting is research now shows that moms will detox about 80% of the mercury in their system into their first child.

Oh my goodness.

[00:19:07] Ron Beres: I'm a first child and my mom, I'm first child. Are you and does your mom

have mercury fillings?

[00:19:13] Ron Beres: She did

Well, no, it's all making sense. Exactly. Right. Right. So I had to detox incredibly slowly because I think it, I probably had a mercury burden long before I arrived in dentistry because mom, 'cause I wasn't detoxing just from environmental stuff, but I'm old.

I got all the old kind of vaccines and had all sorts of mercury in 'em. Whoa. I'm sure I had all sorts of mercury burden before I even arrived right street. So then it just pushed me over the edge quite quickly. Yeah. So I had to go slowly. Oh, that's the, if you have the M-T-H-F-R, you just need to go, okay, that's me.

I had to go slow so slowly. I tried to do a whole bunch of heavier, it's called cyto detox, like a bunch of different things. I got sicker than a dog. I mean, I would take one drop and I would just, that's me be out. I couldn't eat for weeks, so I had to do slow, slow chlorella. Mm-hmm. With ion. Lots of cruciferous vegetables, so lots of broccoli and cauliflower and Brussels sprouts.

They have a sulfur molecule in them, which binds. So I had to do very, very slow, slow detoxing. Lots of, oh, that's the key. Carle, to grab it on the way out. I had to make sure that my kidneys were working right, because that's where mercury from fillings is detox, is actually through the urine. Oh, so there's, yeah, there's two types of mercury and one goes through.

The liver and the gut and the other one goes through the kidneys, mercury from fillings goes through the kidneys. Oh, interesting. Yeah. 'cause we just did a massive cleanse. Well, I've been cleansing this whole year. I have not stopped with it. Started with a simple little 30 day parasite cleanse and now it's gone to full blown, like I'm still parasite cleansing 'cause I'm not done and I'm doing like a microplastic.

Zeolite and my body reacts really, really, really weird to zeolite where I like, it gets like shaky. Have you ever heard of that? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're just, yeah. Pretty sensitive. Just sensitive. Yeah. So did you do IV chelation or did you do more of the greens? The first thing I was told by the doctor is that you need to do 93 IV treatments.

And I said, whoa. I've got four young kids, 93. I have a busy practice that's like barely limping along right now. I've got that. I'm like, when would I come? Right? Stay here for an hour, hour and a half. So I didn't do it and I'm so grateful now because research shows that that's actually a much less effective method for this kind of mercury to do IV EDTA is usually the thing they would put in there.

It's actually much less effective. Okay. It's more effective to do chlorella. You do. You can do zeolite, pocol. Some of these are all kind of grabbers that are gonna grab it and help to escort it outta the body. You just gotta go slow with mercury. Slow with mercury. Yeah. That makes such good information.

Oh my gosh, guys, so, and your dentists don't tell you this, so Absolutely. I just don't know it. They didn't know it. Yeah. You're not learning that.

[00:22:03] Ron Beres: We're gonna pivot from mercury to fluoride. So Dr. Michelle, can you explain the fluoride controversy and how it affects brain health? 'cause like you're sharp as a attack and we wanna be like you.

That's Mercury free. Mercury free now. Yes. So going from Mercury, oh my gosh, what is this? Then I started looking into some of these other things and what I found is that 60 to 80% of chronic health problems are related or caused by mouth. Oh, and fluoride is one of those because fluoride is an interesting thing.

Really the story and the research of the history behind fluoride is back in the 1940s, they saw that there were communities that were drinking well water, and they had better teeth. They had less tooth decay. So they said, well, what's in this water? And they found it was high levels of fluoride. So they said, okay, this is awesome.

We've just now figured out the cure-all for tooth decay. Let's just put fluoride in everything and it's gonna make teeth stronger, and it's gonna make them more resistant to decay. Well, it's true the fluoride does make teeth more resistant to decay, but here's the problem. It doesn't just do that. Yeah.

Every single thing that we put in our body acts on every cell. We call them side effects, but we don't realize that a side effect is simply something acting on a cell we didn't intend it to act on. And everything we put in our body does that. It acts on the ones we want, the ones we didn't want. So fluoride does a lot of other things.

So what does it do? Well, fluoride is very similar to iodine. If you remember back to your junior high chemistry class on the periodic table, you know there's something called the halide section as chlorine, bromine, iodine, fluoride. They're all there next to God. Snoozing. Snoozing. I was gonna

[00:23:50] Ron Beres: say I, I don't remember that part.

Thanks for repeating it. It's okay.

It's all good. But they're cousins, so they have shared similarities. So fluoride will interfere with anything that iodine is supposed to act on. Well, iodine is the key for every cell that secretes something. So that's the stomach, secrete stomach acid. That's all of the adrenal glands for all the hormones, particularly it's the thyroid.

Iodine activates thyroid hormone. So now we're using all this fluoride and toothpaste and mouth washes and the water. We're drowning everybody in fluoride, and what it's doing is it's mimicking iodine and making it show up that you have enough thyroid hormone, you get a test taken and it says no, you're just fine.

The thought is activated by fluoride, not iodine. So you feel cruddy. You have no energy, you can't get outta bed, and the doctor says, you're just fine. Your levels are fine. Your thyroid's just fine. Yes, but it's because the fluoride took the place of the iodine. So I

[00:24:45] Lisa Beres: see.

Interestingly enough, in the seventies, they used to use fluoride as a treatment for hyperthyroidism.

They know that it decreases thyroid function, but yet it's in all of our water. Wow. All of our tooth care product, it's everywhere. What? Right. You know, do you know anybody who has thyroid issues or energy, you know, doesn't have the energy that they want? Only like everyone, so many women, right? Thyroid for sure.

Thyroid, yeah. So that's problem number one. Problem number two is it's actually depositing in brains. And this was a brand new research study that came out. Literally linking direct. If the mom had these levels of fluoride, the baby will have this level of decrease in iq. I mean, it is like one for one.

Whoa. You take fluoride, you decrease your iq, and you it is straight across the board. So number two, problem number three problem is it affects bones because the same mineral that fluoride changes in the tooth structure to make it harder actually affects in the bones. It's the same mineral. It's called hydroxyapatite.

So fluoride also changes the density or the structure of bones, leaving them more brittle. So it's affecting bone density, it's affecting IQ level and brain function in children and adults, and it's affecting thyroid, basically taking down all of our energy levels. Yeah. So, okay. The fluoride didn't just fix the teeth, it did all these other things.

So here's the, my contention. The goal was to eradicate tooth decay, right? Did it do it? No. Has anyone had a cavity since 1940?

[00:26:09] Ron Beres: No, by the way, like I love your friendly origin story of fluoride because I heard more sinister ones like with the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, using them for my control.

Exactly. Control. You know what, I'll go there.

I assumed positive intent, so I assumed positive intent. There was a, it started, I

[00:26:22] Ron Beres: have never heard the positive origin story, so that's excellent. So I, I've never heard that either.

I only heard, did it work? That was really

[00:26:26] Ron Beres: good. Yeah. But did

it work?

[00:26:28] Ron Beres: No,

of course there had been cavity since 1940.

Right. So it didn't work. It didn't eradicate tooth decay at what cost? Lots of other, oh, bunch of costs. Yeah. So was it worth the trade off?

[00:26:42] Ron Beres: No. And

here's

[00:26:43] Ron Beres: the, well, for the fertilizer industry, it was because they sold the byproduct, right? Because they had a byproduct. Yes, correct. Right. For sure.

Yes. But it wasn't worth the trade off for us as a populace in general.

And you know, one of the things that, it's interesting because Utah, where I live, was the first state to actually ban fluoride and water, which I was so proud of them. 'cause they got a huge pushback two months ago, March. Barely, barely. Interestingly enough, it's been really interesting to sit back and watch what's happened because they're now, well, first of all, the a DA is freaking out American Dental Association's freaking out saying, you are making the biggest mistake you could ever make.

Utah, you're idiots. You know? And I'm going, no, no, you guys are really smart. But the people who put it in the water. Are reacting. They're complaining because they said, you know what? We just changed our entire system. We just paid millions of dollars to dump all this into the water. We bought all these hazmat suits.

They had to wear a hazmat. They have to wear a hazmat suit to go and add it to the water because it's highly toxic, right? Oh yeah. So they're saying, well, now we gotta change all over the whole system. Which I'm thinking, but you don't have to wear the hazmat suit. I know, right? Anymore. So we are adding to this.

We are adding this to the water. Yeah. And there's other states following suit, right? I think Florida's Florida. Yep. Utah, Florida. There's a couple of others that are coming on board, thankfully. Yeah. But basically, fluoride is a toxin that should not be given to us all just willy-nilly. Do you know what I mean?

There's no reason why we should be dumping it into the water and giving it to everybody, primarily because maybe I don't need it. Maybe I'm not getting cavities, you know? Right, right. And maybe you already are getting it from your toothpaste. Yeah. Can you share on the children's, A lot of people don't know this, the children's toothpaste.

What is that warning and why should parents be on the lookout? There's a huge warning on it. It says basically if you, if your child consumes more than a pea size amount of this toothpaste, this could be toxic. So how many kids take this sugary artificial flavor? Artificial color toothpaste, pour it into your mouth.

Yeah. You know, swallow it. Right. If they swallow it. If they swallow it, yep. And they do it 'cause they call poison control. Right. So here's the amazing news. Cavities are not a deficiency of fluoride.

[00:28:51] Lisa Beres: Mm.

They're not a deficiency of fluoride because fluoride wasn't there to begin with, right? Cavities are a deficiency of minerals.

Oh man. When acid is on the tooth, either because of sugar, back to bugs, eat sugar. We, our mom told us this, you can't eat sugar. You're gonna get cavities, right? Bugsy, sugar, and they excrete acid, which dissolves the minerals on your tooth. Or here's another one too, if your body needs minerals elsewhere. So if you're a growing teenager, if you are a pregnant mama or a nursing mama and there is a huge demand for those minerals elsewhere, the body will actually pull it from your teeth to take your essential functions.

Interesting and heart. So I

[00:29:30] Ron Beres: robbing from Peter to pay Paul

Exactly right. Because your brain and heart you can't live without, but you can actually live without your teeth. Oh. So the body, the body goes in order from the

[00:29:38] Lisa Beres: teeth

uhhuh to take care of the essential functions. So you don't need fluoride to prevent tooth decay.

You need minerals.

[00:29:46] Ron Beres: Minerals now. Ooh. Now Dr. Michelle, we're gonna have listeners saying like, well, how do I protect my teeth if fluoride is removed from the water? Exactly. And how do I get these minerals? How can they do it?

So the mineral complex that teeth are made of, it's called hydroxyapatite. Okay? And this is a word you're probably hearing, it's flying around social media.

'cause there's, of course, everybody has to debate everything, but hydroxy appetite is literally the mineral your teeth are made of. So you want a hydroxyapatite tooth care product. So I have a powder. I had mouthwash. You've probably been seeing this all over. You know? All over, yeah. Hydroxyapatite, that's the mineral your teeth are made of.

So if acid gets on your tooth and it pulls minerals out. You're gonna put minerals back, so that's number one. That's minerals from the outside. I also want minerals from the inside. Sometimes that's fixing gut function so that you can absorb. But I supplement. We supplement. I have a special product called Tooth Bone Formula and Vitamin D three K two, which actually put minerals into the cells where it belongs.

You can get these elsewhere as well, but it's basically minerals on the outside with hydroxyapatite minerals on the inside with vitamin D three K two, and a good mineral formula. I don't get a cavity. I have never had a cavity in your life. Oh, wow. Never had a cavity. You're in the right field. You're

[00:30:58] Ron Beres: born to be a dentist.

Exactly. And my, but my patients, I tell them all the time, I say, you should never have to get another cavity. And usually they start to cry, you know? And I'm like, but it's really true. This isn't that complicated. Right. Oh, it's so clear how you explain it, and then you realize like just how confusing they made it for people.

[00:31:16] Ron Beres: Well, Dr. Michelle, I wanted to share a quick little story when I was nine years old and how I thought I was gonna battle a sore throat. Is that, is that helpful?

[00:31:23] Lisa Beres: You or what?

[00:31:25] Ron Beres: Here's the deal. So when I was nine years old, I lived in the northeast, was colder and you'd always get cold. And so I had this bright idea that I was just gonna go to bed every night with a cough drop in my mouth, this rest there in the back of my throat.

And it was beautiful 'cause I started off each day with a clear throat and I was ready to go. Right. It wasn't so great when I went to my dentist. Yep. I went from having like no cavities to all of a sudden they reported to my mom, you have nine cavities.

Cherry lot nurse. I know what I was gonna say. We had interviewed a doctor in LA and Dr.

Ey, I think is his name, and Brendan and I are vegan and he's like, oh, you're vegan. You know, you make sure you're taking K two. And I was like, what is K two? And how come I've never heard of this? And it's really from animal products. It's very hard to get if you're a vegan vegetarian. So now we are taking it.

And you just mentioned that, and so that's an interesting vitamin that we don't hear much about. Yeah. It's interesting because 1930s, there was a doctor named Dr. Wein Price. A lot of people in the nutritional world of heard of Dr. Wein price. Not a lot of people know he was a dentist, and actually his intent was to go and he traveled around the world studying indigenous societies and saying.

What are they eating and what does their tooth and overall health look like? What he figured out is the people that had better health, tooth health, mouth health, I mean big wide smiles, they had plenty of room in their mouths for all of their teeth. They had open noses, so they were able to breathe through their nose easily.

I mean, this is an epidemic today. People can't breathe 'cause our mouths are too squished and we need braces and we can't put our wisdom teeth. It's all nutrition based really. We found that the people who had mouths that were big enough noses that were big enough and. Had good, healthy teeth. They were eating five times the amount of water soluble vitamins, that's vitamin C, vitamin Bs, and 10 times the amount of fat soluble vitamins, which is vitamins A D three K two.

He didn't know what to call it. Vitamin E is a fourth, but he didn't know there was no name for vitamin K two at the time. He called it activator X. So he identified this thing and he identified which food sources it was found in. It was an unknown entity, but it's since been named Vitamin K two, so that's, it's a different vitamin entirely than vitamin K one, which bothers me because vitamin K one is found in greens.

It's related to clotting, blood clotting. So people will be like, oh, I can't take vitamin K two. You know, I have blood clotting issues. I'm like, it's not Come up up with another letter in me. Also bet. There's plenty of other letters that no vitamin is attached to call it vitamin N, you know, I don't care, but something different.

So yes, it actually is really hard to get in a vegan diet because it's largely found, but tooth health is hugely related to vitamin D three and K two. If you eat a vegan diet, you're gonna need to supplement those too, because those two lot actually in the foods store, eating and vitamin A, where do we get that?

Is that Brussels? S from Vitamin A Seeds? Largely seed Vitamin A and E. So you're probably getting plenty of both of those. Vitamin A comes from carrots. Oh, there's some other sources. So you're probably getting A and E just fine. It's E three and K two that are tricky to get eating an animal product. Yeah.

And what do you think of mineral water? Is that good for like We drink a lot of. Sparkling mineral water. Is that good for getting those minerals you're talking about, or is that just scratching the surface? So it's interesting because the two words, sparkling and mineral going together, actually the problem, because the sparkling is from carbonic acid.

Carbonated carbonic acid is acidic, so that will pull minerals from your teeth. Any carbonated beverage will pull minerals from your teeth because it's carbonic acid, so it's acidic, but then you're adding on the minerals. So thankfully sparkling mineral water, you're kind of. You're taken and given at the same time.

So that's a good thing. So you've gotta losing a win in the same bottle. So that's good. You do need minerals, but you've got to have those vitamins because if you just get a whole bunch of minerals, what the minerals do is they can't get absorbed through the gut and put into the cells. So they just circulate and you end up harder on your teeth, gallstones, kidney stones, hardening of the arteries because the minerals find somewhere to go because they can't actually make it into the cell.

So you've gotta have. The D three K two to get 'em into the cell where you actually want them utilized. So interesting. Do you have a brand of the Hydroxy appetite toothpaste that you recommend? Yep. Well, I'm gonna recommend mine. Good. I don't usually do that, but I'll do that. Well with Dr. Michelle because I was very intentional about what goes in these products.

I don't want any crap, you know? I don't want any, yeah. Because a lot of the products, they have things in them to turn them into a paste or to turn them into something. I didn't want that. I just wanted it to be there because there was a reason for it to be there, so, right. Anyway, I have a mouthwash. I have a tooth.

Oh, and a toothpaste should be out in about three weeks. It's so,

[00:36:11] Ron Beres: oh, so exciting. Very good. It's called

Living Well with Dr. Michelle, the Tooth piece. Living Well, Dr. Michelle is the brand. Yep. That's perfect. Yep. Study your website in order. Yes. And for your 9-year-old problem. We actually have mints that have hydroxy appetite coming out about run.

You need? Well, so you pop a mint in and instead of it destroying your teeth, it strengthens your teeth while it's in your,

[00:36:31] Ron Beres: oh, that's really good. You know, it's so funny when you recall that story about the mouth and how if you have impacted wisdom teeth or they don't fit your mouth. I remember hearing another story that made me feel better.

'cause I had impacted wisdom teeth a long time ago. I was told that's because you are so many multi-generational, away from the caveman that you are more sophisticated and over time, yeah, that's what they

tell people I've heard about changed, we're changing. I

[00:36:52] Ron Beres: was like, well, I am so advanced. But now I have found out that I'm not so advanced in fact.

It was my mother who had fluoride treatments and something that passed it on to her first son. That's why I had this and poor

nutrition and our food just doesn't have the nutrients it used to have in it. Yeah, because I really kinda argue back on that exact statement, because you can go back even 200 years and we're gonna find skulls that had every tooth in their mouth, all 32, including all their wisdom and teeth, and they were straight.

Oh

[00:37:16] Lisa Beres: wow. So

in 200 years time, typically genetic changes happen in five to 10 generations. Well, that's not 200 years. Mm. Oh, interesting. That's more like 400 years to really see that change. Well, we can go back just 200 years and see that there was plenty of room. So what this means is that our food supply has changed.

Yes. But now we eat food, but it doesn't have the nutrients. It used to have it because it used to be grown in soil. That's where minerals come from is the earth, right? So the soil fed the plant and the plant fed the person. Well, now we have the soil is bare and they fertilize the plant, and the plant feeds the person.

So there's no mineral transfer from the soil to the plant anymore. Now it's just a plant that's artificially fertilized with three minerals, nitrogen, or. Three components. Nitrogen, phosphate, and potassium. NKP is what it's called. Oh, milk. All the plant gets, and it makes it grow big and grow pretty, but we're missing everything that the soil used.

Oh, that's deliver, yeah. To the plant. I'm a huge partner though. I view a lot of talk about how does the soil actually feed us. Unfortunately, our food isn't grown in it, so we have to get it in other ways. Ways. Yeah. We have to supplement, we have to intentionally work on finding. An organic blueberry that has the Enoc Islands that we need.

You know, I mean, those kinds of things because it's not getting in our food otherwise. So if we buy organic, we are getting those minerals. It helps. They don't use artificial fertilizers on artificial pesticides. It helps. So it's the better version if you can do it right, but you're probably still not getting it all.

Yeah, probably not getting it all, which is why unfortunately we do have to do supplements, but I don't love supplements. Like I try to just do everything with food if at all possible. That's my goal. I know that's the better way. Yeah. What do you think about fak and humic acid as a supplement? Are you familiar with that?

Yeah, absolutely. We actually recommend a product called Mother Earth from Mother Earth Labs. Okay. That's a really nice humic and fulvic acid product that is great for tooth health as well. It's a liquid, I call it dirt water. It is dirt water. I have a bottle. It's dirt water and it has minerals from deep in the soil that your body's missing.

You know, another thing is we used to, I go out to my garden and I'll grab, in fact, just yesterday I grabbed, you know, a handful of peas off of the vine and I was just eating them right there. And people look at me and they'll say, aren't you gonna wash that first? I

[00:39:28] Ron Beres: might have said that. No,

I'm not. You might have said that.

Yeah, and I say no because guess what? Everything that's on that P is something that my body needs and generations past ate them straight from the vine. That's

[00:39:41] Lisa Beres: how they eat

them, and that's how you get those minerals. What is there? It's a tomato worm on it. I'm just

[00:39:45] Lisa Beres: kidding.

Yeah. So you're not worried about being, my daughter-in-law doesn't necessarily like eating at my house because we'll eat a salad and she'll see a tiny little caterpillar crawling up her lettuce.

She's like, oh my gosh, gimme too much. Oh my God. I had that happen at a restaurant once where I went to take a look. Well, if you should enjoy it, you should tell the the restaurateur Good job. That means it's absolutely organic because that Caterpillar would've not have survived if there was a pesticide on there.

[00:40:10] Lisa Beres: Wow.

Okay. That's some good health advice.

[00:40:13] Lisa Beres: Absolutely.

Okay, so go into like lower income and rural families. What would be the impact on them if the fluoride is removed? This is is a great fast enough feel. I've been on a lot of news stations asked this exact question, and the key is Hydroxyapatite. There's no reason you can't buy Hydroxyapatite toothpaste instead of a fluoride toothpaste.

It's all about the minerals. It's all about the minerals. So will there be an impact? Absolutely. There probably will be an increase in tooth decay in that area, but there will also most likely be a decrease in. Autism or, uh, function issues, there'll be a decrease in thyroid problems. Right. Those costly too.

Yeah. Those are costly too. So yes. More costly. Where do you put your effort? Yeah. So go, and maybe it's $2 more for a Hydroxyapatite toothpaste than a fluoride toothpaste. Mm-hmm. But there's, and I know this is a difficult conversation, it's absolutely a difficult conversation, but I don't like the risk of impacting IQ levels in children.

I like the risk of impacting thyroid health. I think that everybody should have the right to be able to say what they want in their body. Right? Absolutely. Yeah. Can you get that hydroxyapatite like at pharmacies, drugstore, or grocery stores? Walmart. Walmart, everywhere. There's gonna be products everywhere.

Yeah. Okay. Wow. So what can listeners do right now who are struggling with their energy? What would you suggest? So, energy, first of all, we have to talk about where does it come from? Energy, you know? 'cause often we think energy comes from a can. It's what we drink at 2:00 PM when we get the slump or whatever.

But it, but it doesn't, you're like looking double macchiato. Exactly. Or, and, or a cup or you know, it doesn't come from there. It actually comes from your cells. And your cells create something called a TP. What do they need to be able to do that? They need glucose, which this isn't actually a little known fact.

The thing that cells use to create energy is actually a carbohydrates. Cells do not make energy from protein. Oh, they don't. They can't listen up. Keto people. Uhhuh, you do not make energy from protein. Protein builds muscle. Protein builds enzymes. It facilitates all the chemical reactions in our body, like we absolutely need them.

Mm-hmm. But it's the last of three. There are three sources of energy, carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. It's the last in the line of three. And if you're using proteins for energy, it's muscle wasting. It's taking it from muscles because you're using it for energy instead of muscle sustaining. So energy doesn't come from protein.

It comes from carbohydrates. It also can come from some fats, but the body has to work a little harder to utilize it as fat. Okay? And it comes from oxygen. So it's the combination between a glucose molecule, sugar molecule, and oxygen together combined to make a TP. So you've gotta have deep breathing.

This is a, it really is a thing. Okay. I know I hear about a lot of times. Yeah. So if your cells don't have oxygen, they will use one glucose molecule and they'll make two batteries.

[00:43:08] Lisa Beres: Mm. If they

have oxygen, they'll use glucose molecule and make 24 batteries.

[00:43:12] Lisa Beres: Whoa.

So oxygen is the difference between running outta fuel and having enough to sustain everything.

So I do a couple of things. The other thing is electrons. Electrons is literally the circulating. Energy in your system. Mm-hmm. So where do electrons come from? Electrolytes. Mm-hmm. People think of, they've heard of the word electrolyte, but they don't know that electrolyte carries electrons, which is energy.

Okay. So what I tell people is 2:00 PM. You're drinking an electrolyte. It's not because you went and worked out or did anything else or sweat it. It's because that is what carries electrons to your body. You're also gonna go out and either put your feet on the ground if you can, like literal dirt. Yeah, little grass if you can.

Or you're gonna get a grounding pad, stick it at your desk and take your shoes off and put your feet on it. Yeah. I'll put a link. We sleep on one every night. Yeah. Perfect. That's another source of electron, so we have to get back to what. Is literal energy. Like it's kind of this ethereal concept of, oh, I have no energy.

No. What you have is your cells don't have enough batteries to do what you want them to do, right? Mm. Yeah. To get, get up and go to get the focus. Like they don't have enough batteries. So what do they need for batteries? They need glucose. Glucose. They need oxygen. So go and eat an apple 2:00 PM okay?

You're gonna need an apple and you're gonna drink an electrolyte drink and you're gonna, well, so then give us some good electrolyte drinks. Um, you know, anything that's clean. I love just ingredients, products. Hers are awesome. Just ingredients. Okay. Just ingredients. Check them out. The reason I love them so much is because all of her flavors are from natural flavors.

So if it's Ara, it's because it's a roundup. Dried raspberry that made it taste like raspberry. Oh, wow. Okay. Others? What about great grape fridge juice? How about that? Yeah. Would it be vitamin C type drinks or no? If we're talking about, so vitamin C is good, but you want the electrolyte. You want that literal mineral.

Where would that be in food, though? Like Veis, you said just ingredients, like what would that be? Oh, just ingredients is a drink. So it's actually drinks, so you're just gonna dump it into a bottle and shake it up. Oh, it's like a powder? Yep, it's powder. It's a powder. Oh. So you have to get like a powdered electrolyte.

You can't just. Eat a food and get the electrolytes. You can eat a food too. An apple. Okay, an apple, apple sauce, a date. Those are very best things for 2:00 PM Oh, okay. Apple and two dates. Okay. Wow. Put your feet on ground. Doing so much wrong. Oh my. You don't need a coffee anymore at 2:00 PM because you're gonna get two dates.

Put your feet on the ground or on your grounding pad, and you are gonna have your charge back up again and take some and breathing. Get your oxygen in there.

[00:45:39] Ron Beres: That's a good tip. Is this all part of your cell? Well model that. That's

all part of the, but just saying basically, wow. What do your cells need to recharge and to stay Well, yeah.

One of my very first chapters talks about this. Where does energy actually come from? Because. I said, it's kind of this ethe concept. We just go, I'm just so drained. I'm just like worn out. I have no energy today. I'm so dead. Yeah. Those are really literal terms if you think about them, because we need to power up, like we need to recharge.

Just like we charge our phone. We need to re our bodies. Where does the charge come from? From the earth, from food. That's where it comes from. From oxygen. From sunshine. That's where the charge comes from. Yeah. We can't cut our bodies in, but we can. Yeah. Do you recommend hyperbaric oxygen chambers?

Occasionally. Yes. Or it's fabulous if you have something that needs to be healed, okay? Because it's the thing when you're going through a healing journey, you actually need more energy to heal than you do to stay well.

[00:46:30] Lisa Beres: Yeah.

So if you're going to get better, you need more oxygen. More electrolytes, more everything in order to get better.

But typically when we're not, well, we're a below level.

[00:46:43] Lisa Beres: Mm-hmm.

We're low air lower. Yeah. And we feel that. So you've gotta ramp everything up. So hyperbaric oxygen helps you get into that hyper healing stage. Yeah. Because you've gotta be more than just maintenance level in order to actually heal. Yeah. So anybody's working through healing journey, hyperbaric oxygen's great for that.

Great for that. Yeah. You live in Utah, right? Yep. So we went last Christmas to Park City to go skiing on a family trip. And everybody was like, you gotta get the oxygen cans. You gotta get the oxygen cans. Cans because of the elevation. So we, and that was my first time ever taking one of those. I was like, yeah, I noticed a little bit.

I mean, yeah. Are they good? Yeah. Yeah. But you can also just breathe in. That's free. Could saved the $5.

[00:47:25] Ron Beres: You mentioned coffee too. Are you really anti coffee for? Dean sell. Well,

so the problem is, is that coffee covers up the cell signal.

[00:47:35] Lisa Beres: Ah. So it covers

up the cell signal. Because when we're decreasing in energy, our cells, this is what happens as we get toward nighttime, okay?

Our cells are saying, I'm running low. It's just like on your cell phone, you know, the little indicator light at the top. You know you're getting down to 20%, 15%. Your cells are telling you that by showing you your lower energy levels.

[00:47:54] Lisa Beres: Make sense? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So if we feed ourselves caffeine, it. Duct tapes over that cell signal, it says, Nope, that's not true.

So we end up pushing past our energy reserves. Yeah. Does that make sense?

[00:48:07] Lisa Beres: Yes. We end up

doing more, even though our energy is way down here. Yeah. So I'm not opposed to caffeine, but I'm saying you're gonna need to recharge your cells the right way because the caffeine just covers over the cell symptom that is struggling.

Right. So you end up pushing past your reserves and that's the crash. Where you go, oh my gosh, I feel terrible. Why? Because you used up more energy than you really had your tank. Yeah. Completely empty. Yeah. 'cause you covered up that low gaslight signal that your body was trying to tell you. So drink your coffee if you love it, but drink an electrolyte drink, eat your apple, eat in the afternoon.

Don't that along with it. Energy to push through. Yeah. So I don't drink coffee at all. People are like. Shouldn't because you have way too much energy as it is. Right, right, right. You don't need it food though. That's the thing. That's where I get it from. You get it from Yeah. Recharge my cells every single day.

Yeah. And that's, we do, um, allows us to, yeah, we drink a mold free organic coffee, and that's tested for mycotoxins. And anybody listening, I highly, if you're a coffee drinker, like coffee is very polluted with mold, so I. I highly recommend it. I get mine on Amazon. It's not that much more expensive and little plug there for coffee drinkers, but ah, this is so great.

This is like so much information. I could talk to you for another hour, but I know you're busy and you run across. Right. You don't have to go. I guess last question is going back to the mercury poisoning and the fluoride like. What diseases do you see those being linked to, especially with kids? Do you believe in the autism connection and would you say a lot of the neurological disorders?

So the interesting thing is exactly what I was talking about with the size of jaws. People will say, well, we've just had a genotype or a genetic change and that's why we're seeing more autism. That's untrue because like I said, you will not see genetic changes that large in outside of five to 10 generations.

This is increased in one to two generations. Yeah. So know that this cannot be a genetic change. Right. And that's your platform. You know, this is toxin related. And in the book, actually, I believe it's chapter two or three, I talk all about epigenetics and really get, I don't like the word dumb it down, but that's where I do, I really take it to consumer level to say, what the heck are epigenetics?

Basically what it is, is every single cell in your body has the same DNA, every single cell. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Yeah. Like your skin cells have the exact same DNA as your heart cells. Exact same ones. So how do they know? Because every cell starts as it's called a stem cell. So it's like a brand new baby cell that doesn't have a job yet.

How does that stem cell know I need to go be a skin cell or I need to go be a heart cell? How does it know? That's the epigenetics piece. What's happened is the location it's in is told it's mama that you need to be a skin cell. So now there's marks on that DNA. I like to call 'em sticky notes or dogeared pages.

You know how you like fold back the page on a book that's our little handwritten notes in the margins. So that DNA is like a recipe book in inside of each cell, but because of experience that cell has had, whether it's where it's located, or toxins it's been exposed to, there's new little handwritten notes in the margins.

There's new sticky notes on it. It's now read differently. Mm-hmm. Because of those marks. The DNA didn't change. So no, our DNA has not changed to, to lead to higher levels of autism. Something is marking our DNA and to be read in a different way, and that's epigenetics and that's all based on. The environment we live in, the toxins we're exposed to, like you said, the wifi, the EMS, like all of these things are making marks on our DNA.

So now what our cells replicate, because every single cell remakes itself within a year's time, every single cell is new. So the body I see today will be completely new body in a year from now. Wow. Completely new. Wow. So now the cool, amazing thing about that is we can change the epigenetics, we can change the marks of DNA.

Wow. We can change the sticky notes. We can take them off by changing our environment. And that's all you. That's your talk. We can change that. We can't change the DNA but don't need to. The DNA didn't change it's sticky notes and the dog eared and the the notes on the next, that's what changed. And we can change that back based on changing our environment.

So do I believe fluoride and mercury and those things can contribute? Absolutely. Yeah. Because they will change the way that your DNA is read. So if we get them out of our system, out of our communities, out of our bodies, can we change the way the DNA is read back to what it used to be, right? Powerful, powerful, powerful.

So the ability, yeah. To be Wow. Ourselves, have the ability. Woo. What a great way to end the show. That was a great point. Oh my gosh, you're amazing. Well, thank you so much for being with us today, Dr. Michelle. Friends, you can learn more about her work at Living Well with Dr. Michelle, and that's Dr. And we'll put the link to that and her new book in the show Notes

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