108 | How to Find Peace in a Chaotic World

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Ron Beres 1:43

Our guest today, the legendary Udo Erasmus, is back for part two. Yeah. He is the co founder of the udos choice line. Udo designed the machinery for making the oil with health in mind, and pioneered flax oil, a billion dollar industry, which we discussed at length in episode 103, so friends, be sure to head back to that episode. It's chock full of great information that you don't want to miss. But

Lisa Beres 2:11

today, we are tackling the state of the world and how to navigate in today's chaotic environment, when the number of people seeking mental health care is trending upward, including those with anxiety such as OCD and panic disorder, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, due to the covid 19 pandemic, anxiety and depressive disorders grew exponentially. Depressive symptoms grew about 28% and anxiety disorders grew 25%

Ron Beres 2:44

you know, young adults, ages 18 to 25 in the US have the highest rate of experiencing any mental health concern, and the percentage of US adults receiving mental health treatment is also rising. Mental health is definitely taking its toll and costing a lot of money. Depression and anxiety have a great impact on the global economy, equating to $1 trillion in lost productivity each year.

Lisa Beres 3:13

Udo is here to shed light on this issue. Udo is an acclaimed speaker and author of many books, including the best selling fats that heal, fats that kill. Udo has an extensive education in biochemistry, genetics, biology and nutrition, including a master's degree in counseling psychology.

Ron Beres 3:32

Welcome back to the show Udo.

Udo Erasmus 3:35

Yes, well, to be here again with the you. Hi. You live wires.

Lisa Beres 3:42

That's a compliment.

Ron Beres 3:43

It's a live wire show. And funniest, I had this little reminder Udo came up in my reminder, my outlook today, right? And I thought it was just to take my udos oils. I took my udos oil, but then I realized, no, that's not just it. Udo is gonna be on the show with healthy home ads. It was a double positive experience,

Lisa Beres 4:01

yeah. And I just took my udos oil, which I mix Udo in my grapefruit juice, because I can't stomach just swallowing it.

Udo Erasmus 4:09

Well, you're not supposed to take it all by itself. It's supposed to be always mixed in food. Oh,

Lisa Beres 4:15

okay, bronze, getting confined today.

Udo Erasmus 4:18

Yeah, you know, it's like, there are people do that off the spoon, you know? Then they come to me and they say, Well, I don't like the taste of your oil, right? How did you take it? Well, I took it off a spoon. Well, when did you take cooking oil off a spoon? Ever? Did you ever do that? No, I never do that. Well, why are you doing it with mine?

Lisa Beres 4:37

Right? We're not guzzling olive oil

Udo Erasmus 4:39

in foods. And oil will always have that texture, that oily texture, okay? And if you're, like, really into taste, oil is not the place to go for taste, but oil will pick up taste of other food, make the foods taste better. Yeah,

Lisa Beres 4:54

I love it in juice. I do organic grapefruit juice or orange juice. We switch it up, and it's so delicious. You really can't taste the oil when you do that, and you're right, you could put it on your salads or whatever. But since you've been on the show, we've been telling everyone, friends, family, and of course, we got a lot of great feedback on your episode. You know about this epidemic of people lacking omega three fatty acids in their diet? And so guys, again, go back to Episode 103, if you didn't hear that, but today is a different topic, and we're so excited to have you here. So we want to pick up the conversation from our last episode on areas of living healthy that we didn't have time to discuss. Can you speak to our listeners about mental health for modern times and how to find and keep your Power and Light, no matter how dark, confusing and chaotic the world becomes,

Udo Erasmus 5:44

oh no, that's a tall order, isn't it? That's

Lisa Beres 5:46

a tall order. That's a double extra vente latte foam. Absolutely

Udo Erasmus 5:50

and I'm up for it. So look, if you live in a world that is corrupt or confusing or people don't know what's true, so they guess that's going to be hard on you. Because, you know, if I know I want to go in that direction and I see the road where to go, that's easy, but if the goal is vague and the road's not clear, you know, then it's going to be hard. And that's what like mental illness is like that, because the truth is, there's something in your being that is absolutely, completely calm, content, in peace, fulfilled, whole, Beautiful, unconditionally loved, empowered, that all sounds like good stuff as an experience, not as a head trip, but it's an actual experience of your being. And you get there by sitting down, taking time every day, sitting down, leaving all your distractions outside for a few minutes, and just sit down and become really still and see how deep you can go into that stillness, and see how long you can hang out there and see what you discover in that stillness, because that's where you find yourself, and that's where you find your magnificent self, because you, by nature, by the universe that creates everything, are a magnificent little spark of being, okay? But if you don't take the time to do that, and therefore you don't focus in on what is beautiful about you, then you're always going to be in interaction with everything on the outside that's changing, and then you're gonna something in us. Wants a certain amount of foundation, or constancy or safety. And if we don't go to where that safety lives in us, then we're always gonna be oh my god, oh my god. And then we wanna control everything that's always changing. Yeah,

Ron Beres 8:02

by stillness, you mean meditation, right? You mean meditation just quiet thought, whatever

Udo Erasmus 8:06

gets you to shut up and just feel okay, right? Whether you call it meditation or self knowledge or mindfulness, or, you know, there's lots of names for it, prayer,

Lisa Beres 8:18

would you call it prayer? More like

Udo Erasmus 8:20

contemplation, contemplation. Prayers tend to have words. You want to get out of the word realm, right? Okay, but people also talk about silent prayer. So that would be silent prayer, silent

Lisa Beres 8:31

prayer. Could you visualize in this state, or do you just want to try to get to as quiet still?

Udo Erasmus 8:38

No, because you're tripping already. If you're visualizing, you're already tripping, okay, right? And then you visualize, so you visualize nice things, but then you also visualize disasters. So you're creating that. When you visualize, you're creating something, right? What I'm talking about is you don't want to create the piece. You want to discover it. You want to feel it. It's already they want to create the unconditional, empowering love that is your nature. You want to discover it. You want to feel it. Well,

Ron Beres 9:06

this is interesting. So Udo, you're not even seeing a visual picture. You're hearing nothing, seeing nothing, and you're just zero point is that what you're doing,

Udo Erasmus 9:14

the piece is the zero point.

Ron Beres 9:16

But you have no visual picture in your mind when you're just pushing

Lisa Beres 9:19

out thoughts, and you're pushing out, right? You're pushing it out and trying to just, I think Wayne Dyer used to talk about it as the gap, like the space between words. It's like, Yeah, some

Udo Erasmus 9:28

people talk about the or the space between the inbred and the out breath. Yeah, there's all kinds. But you know, when you even you say that, you know you were already tripping on words again.

Lisa Beres 9:37

I can't help myself, and

Udo Erasmus 9:40

it's a talk show, so we're gonna be on words, right?

Lisa Beres 9:42

It's hard to be quiet. It's hard to be still and be Yeah.

Udo Erasmus 9:47

In the time you take for stillness, you want to leave all that outside, because all the words are in here in your cortex, right? There's no words in your kneecap, there's no words in your. Bomb on the floor, or, I mean, on the chair, right, right? There's no words in the feeling of your feet on the floor. There's no words in following your breathing in and out and just going with that, right? So you focus elsewhere, other than in your mind. Yeah, when you're doing that stillness practice, okay? And then how long do you need to do it? Actually, if you really focus, you can do it in one breath. Oh, okay, it's

Lisa Beres 10:26

my kind of because

Udo Erasmus 10:27

it's there. I just

Ron Beres 10:28

did it. I just did it.

Lisa Beres 10:30

Wait, let's all do it. Done.

Udo Erasmus 10:36

Who knows? Doing quietly, right? And so you live in a world where the nature of the things outside of you is to change. So, you know, the leaves change, the seasons change, the situations change. One day it rains, the next day the sun's shining. So the nature changes all the time. The social nature changes all the time, because one day, your friend likes you, and then they have a bad day, and then they don't like you, right? So people change. The body changes. In the morning, you're maybe raring to go. In the evening, oh God, you can't get to bed fast enough. Or you get tired, or something hurts, or you got gas, or you've got a tummy ache because you ate something, you know you shouldn't have eaten, like that. And then our mind changes all the time. What we think changes all the time, and our emotions change all the time. This is the world of change, and those things will always be in change, and you cannot control them. You can control some of it, but most of it, you know, I say, Okay, I want the leaves to be fall color now. Ain't gonna happen until fall, right? So you want things to and then you want to control it, because if you're not finding your peace within you as an experience, then you want to somehow get the peace from controlling things that change,

Lisa Beres 11:55

external validation. Maybe you

Udo Erasmus 11:58

could almost say that that's the definition of mental illness? No,

Lisa Beres 12:01

I mean, it's a really poignant conversation, because we live in a time where everything is about external validation, and there's a lot of noise. It's very noisy. Social media has just created so much noise, like it's non stop. Yeah,

Udo Erasmus 12:16

I call it the downside of free speech. Free you know, the upside of free speech is you get to say what you want. Well, the downside is you get to say what you want. It doesn't have to be true,

Lisa Beres 12:25

yeah? And then it creates confusion, right? It's so confusing and Chadic, yeah? So

Udo Erasmus 12:31

free speech is a double edged sword, you know, on the one hand, you want to have it, you want to have the freedom to express yourself. You don't want anybody to tell you what you should think, right? On the other hand, you get to think, and it's out of control because you're not paying attention. And so then you say things that aren't true and that has negative consequences.

Lisa Beres 12:47

Yeah, and I think what would you say to you know, Ron at the top of the show, mentioned the age group that's really affected is the youth right now, 18 to 25 and also, my good friend of mine is a marriage and family therapist in Arizona, and I was talking to her, and we were talking about drugs and alcohol, and she goes, actually, the alcohol use among teens is down, she said, But suicide is up. And I was like, yeah. I mean, you hear about the suicide statistics is out of control. And I think covid had a big part to do with that, and I think social media has a big part to do with that, because kids get bullied more now than ever. There was so much isolation during covid. You know, these things all play a part. People have missed school, they missed prom, they missed, like, big moments of their life. There was a fear, like a, like a pandemic, of fear that happened that I feel like we're still we all went through PTSD together, cumulatively, and we're all still kind of recovering from that, except for me, except for because he's got that bread.

Udo Erasmus 13:46

Honestly, when covid hit, I couldn't travel. So my quip was, hey, if you can't go outside, go inside. And I happen to be a person who's been doing that for 50 years, right to do every day I do a practice. I need my peace. I was born during a war, so peace has always been important to me. If you grew up in easy times, you may take that for granted, and you may be pretty cavalier about and you talk my friends in the hippie days, my friends used to talk about, oh, let's go and start a war. Oh, good. And I would get mad, and I say, That's not funny. Yeah, that's not funny. And they say, Why are you so heavy? Is it because I've been through one, yeah, this is not funny, you know. So what you're talking you're talking yourself into something that is really stupid. And some of those guys, you know, because they wanted to be cool and have fun, you know, they would like sneak out of the room, you know, because they say, Oh, this Udo guy, he's just too heavy, right? The truth is, so I'm not as heavy as I used to be, because at that time, I hadn't found my peace. I was interested in it, and I knew that war was not a good idea, but I hadn't found my peace, my contentment, my calmness inside. It. So I was pretty heavy about it. Now what I do is I take the time it is really important. Because if you don't make peace more important than your relationship, then your family, then your country, you are actually heading to a war zone in your relationship, in your family and in your country, and part of where the problems are, all of the problems is because we are not cultivating peace as a foundation. And, you know, prosperity without peace leads to chaos. Yeah, wow. That's not my quip. That came from somebody who pointed out I said, Yeah, wow, that's cool, huh? Amazing. And we're not, you know. So look, how much money have we spent to Ukraine and to Israel, and, you know, we're in the wars for wars. How much money have we spent on peace at home? Interesting, right, right, yeah. And it doesn't matter, you talk about us, or you talk about Canada, or you talk about Germany, or you talk about, well, it doesn't matter where you talk. The governments do not teach peace at home. Not one government on this planet is teaching peace at home, right? Even though peace is the foundation for harmonious living.

Lisa Beres 16:18

Yeah, it's not taught in school. It's not taught. And a lot of times, you know, we're not brought up that way. Our parents don't know how to teach that, so they're not passing that on.

Udo Erasmus 16:27

They weren't taught and they weren't taught, and their parents weren't taught and they weren't taught. We just keep regurgitating being stupid for 200,000 years. Yeah, that's about time we got it right, right?

Lisa Beres 16:38

Yeah. And so no matter what's going on in the world, you can get to that peaceful state every day. Yes,

Udo Erasmus 16:46

because that is the core of my existence, and it's the core of your existence, and it's the core of the existence of everybody who's depressed or anxious or angry. You know, even I was in Ireland and I talked about peace, and this guy, he said, I've been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, yeah, and is there hope for me? And I said to Well, first of all, you are not a schizophrenic. You are a human being, and you might have ideation like words and pictures in your head, hallucinations and stuff like that. You might have that going on in your head, but in the core of your being, there's complete peace, complete contentment. There is no problem at all in the core of your being, well, he saw so much hope in that. What a kind thing to say, Yeah, and I'm not being kind, I'm just being factual. It's just that nobody had ever told him that, right? So you can and so just because there's voices in your head doesn't mean you have to pay attention to them. You could bring your focus to the place where there are no voices, where there is just peace, and where you feel unconditionally, empoweringly Loved by life. And that's part of your nature. It's indestructible. A part of your nature you cannot ever lose it. All that ever happens is your focus wanders off. Okay, well,

Ron Beres 18:12

how do you do that? So what are your go to tools to keep your mind healthy and your heart happy. What do you use? Well, your

Udo Erasmus 18:19

heart is already happy, and your mind is already crazy. So you don't have to, you don't have to do anything, right? From that perspective, it

Ron Beres 18:26

sounds like a marriage. Is that a marriage? Is that? How that works? It sounds like a marriage. It's

Udo Erasmus 18:30

a bad marriage most of the time, because you're not allowing the heart to be the ruler, right? Right? When the mind becomes the mind is a good servant, it's a bad boss. But how do you start? Of all the ways, you know, in just thinking about it, of all the ways, where do you start? You start with heartache. You know what heartache is? Yeah, Ron, you know what heartache is. Lisa,

Ron Beres 18:55

I do, but I didn't know I were starting with it. Though I always like to focus on Okay, so

Udo Erasmus 18:59

let me tell you why heartache. You feel it in your chest, and it's like, uneasy, uncomfortable, maybe painful, and there are lots of triggers for it, right? Like, I'm in love with the woman and she dumps me heartache. Ah, right? And you feel it here, right? Everybody knows. I have never met somebody who doesn't know what heartache

Lisa Beres 19:20

is. I've asked a lot of people lost your pet heartache. You know,

Udo Erasmus 19:23

grandma died, somebody made a promise and didn't keep the promise, heartache. So heartache is something. What is heartache? What is heartache? What is that yearning

Lisa Beres 19:34

for the heart to feel whole again? Yeah, fundamentally,

Udo Erasmus 19:39

right. And then we triggered. So I think my heartache came from the woman dumping me. It didn't that triggered the heartache. Then the question is, well, what is the cause of heartache? Discord? The cause of heartache? You have to look at how we were created. You were in your mother's womb. Mm.

Ron Beres 20:00

I thought a stork took me to my house.

Lisa Beres 20:05

Shall we tell him? Udo? Shall we? Shall we tell him? Now,

Ron Beres 20:08

this is a big moment.

Udo Erasmus 20:09

I am 100% sure that that's true for you, but nobody else, okay. Didn't bring anybody okay? So in your mother's womb,

Speaker 1 20:18

there's nowhere to go. There's nothing to do. Everything's taken care of, and it's pretty safe. So

Udo Erasmus 20:26

the question is, okay, while you're in that place, you don't know you have a mother. You know, you don't know there's a mother surrounding you, and you don't know there's a world of surrounding your mother, and you have no language, and you have no faith and you have no religion, you're just like a little living biological critter, right? Your body is being built. You're not building the body, right? And so where is your focus during that time? And by the way, it's the most boring thing you could imagine. You know, nine months of nothing, right? And can you imagine nine months you spent nine months in that, but you weren't bored, even though it's really boring. Now, we think we get bored when it gets quiet, because we've become addicted to doing, yeah, but in there you're not addicted to doing yet, right? So you're hanging out. So where's your focus, but your focus had no place to go. So your focus was at rest, inside, in its source, in life, and maybe beyond that, in awareness. And you were literally like a yogi,

Lisa Beres 21:36

amazing yogi, for

Udo Erasmus 21:38

nine months preparing for what's to come. Yeah, well, and you had no clue what's coming. Either you had no clue you needed. You were literally in deep meditation for nine months going right. And maybe if your mother was on drugs or you had psychological stuff going on, she had that affected your body, but it did not affect that awareness, that core, that peace, because that cannot be affected by any trauma, nor did it affect the energy that is life. That is a solar fraction, a solar energy fraction. I'll get to that in a second, because that is not affected by any of the dramas and the traumas ever. And what happens is we get attracted into the dramas and the traumas understandably, and the cure for that is to find our way back to the place within us that cannot be traumatized. Then you can begin to live your life for life from Life for life again, rather than living your life for memory of trauma

Lisa Beres 22:39

or reactive, right? I mean, I think most people are reactive. So you wake up, you might have the best attitude that your day is going to be amazing, and then, boom, you spill your coffee. Oh, okay, now you're irritated. You go and hit traffic, and you know your way to work. Okay? Now you're getting frustrated, you know, whatever, whatever. And then your whole day is reacting to what's happening, right? Yeah,

Udo Erasmus 23:00

and then you become a victim of everything that comes at you because you didn't take the time to stay in the peace and say, You know what? I don't care if I spilled my coffee. I'm not giving up my piece for spilled coffee. Nothing's worth that. Yeah, I'm not giving up feeling unconditionally, empoweringly Loved by life, yeah, because I spilled a coffee, or because somebody made a funny face at me, or because somebody said something, because they were feeling good so they didn't feel good about me. Yeah, right. But what we've done, we've traded in our birthright, our power, our peace. We trade that in for trinkets, for garbage, for stupid things that really, if you really sit down and say, Well, how important is it that that person called me stupid? No, it's not important at all, because I am what I am, and maybe I am stupid, and that even that that's okay, even that's okay.

Lisa Beres 23:55

Oh, that's powerful. So yeah, because bullying is a big thing. We just met with families over the weekend, who's one of the children was bullied at her old school. And actually, I talked to a lot of parents whose kids are experiencing this, no matter what I mean, these are bright, probably

Udo Erasmus 24:12

every kid, probably every kid, because at some point you're little and somebody else is bigger, yeah,

Lisa Beres 24:17

and you'd think these are kids that wouldn't get bullied, but yeah, I think everybody has some kind of situation, and it's very traumatic when you're at that young age and you're want people to like you. All you want to do is fit in, right? Yeah,

Udo Erasmus 24:29

all of that is true, but if you look at again, at the source of it, not in terms of how socially we're functioning, but when somebody bullies you, okay? So you get hurt. Your body gets hurt. The peace is still the peace, and the unconditional empowering love is still the unconditional empowering love. And if you could stay there instead of getting drawn out, which is not easy to do, so I'm trying to not make light of it, right? But if you could do that, and as you get older, you become more and more. Responsible for your own reactions, for your own focus. If you could stay in that focus, then you basically your wound would heal, and you'd still be in peace, and you'd still feel unconditionally loved. Yeah, that is possible, but it requires us to do the homework. It's work, yeah? It's a practice, and the homework is the home you do at home, and where's your home? The space your body occupies, that's your home, and you take that with you, and that unconditional, empowering love is always there, and the all encompassing peace is always there. And once you see it there, it's actually everywhere. So you're living in a universe of peace. It is the foundation for everything. It's like, wow, if you had access to that, how much power would how much freedom would that give you? And how much would you be less affected by all the crap that people try to talk you into, right? And a government talks into one kind of crap, and the religion talks to you in another kind of crap, and your so called buddies talk you into some other crap, and the educational system tells you things, half of which aren't true even in science. Yeah, right, yeah. And your doctor tells you something else, and it has, you know, they call it healthcare, but it's actually disease management. And you live in a world where a lot of the things, like, maybe not most, but a lot of the things that people tell you, if you actually examine them from a clear place, say, well, that's not true. Well, that's not true. Well, that's not true either. Well, what is true, but what is true? You got to get sit down and get quiet and experience what is true to life by being present in the space that your body occupies.

Lisa Beres 26:46

Do you have to do this? Do you recommend this first thing when you wake up? Because I'm guessing, if you don't do that in the morning, then you're kind of setting yourself up for being reactive and affected. You

Udo Erasmus 26:56

could. You could do it anytime. You know, you if you're standing in the checkout line in your grocery store. You know, people get really impatient wait. That's a gift, because you get to have time where you just go, and

Ron Beres 27:07

they're like, sir, it's your turn too, sir. Can

Lisa Beres 27:10

we get your groceries on the thing, please?

Udo Erasmus 27:13

Or you're sitting on the toilet waiting for nature to take its course, right? Well, you say, oh, you know, I you could actually just sit there and say, I mean, it doesn't matter, you know, or go in there, are you waiting at a bus stop? Yeah, you're driving in your car, or you're in the bank. There's always lineups in banks, or you're stopped at a stop sign in your car, right? Okay, there are so many times when we have to wait that is perfect for us to go into love and peace instead of saying, Don't you know who I am, right? Crazy when we could be just like and the thing is, because that's our nature, not going there, we're ignoring the most important part of our nature. There's no culture, no religion, no government that I know of that encourages people to take the time. The only people that came close to that were always the masters. And there's been a ton of them, Buddha and Christ and Krishna. And, you know, they were teachers of human nature. They taught people how to get in touch with the magnificence of being, yeah, right, right. And then the church turned it on its head and used that as a control trip. Yeah, right. So you can't even go to the religious institutions, because it's a personal journey of your own magnificence. Every child, in my view, every child was born like a Buddha, child a Christ, child in their nature. And then when we get born, then we got to get to know the world, because we're now like in that Buddha tank, you know, we were in deep meditation. Well, now it's changed. Everything isn't taken care of. Now you got to get to know the world, and in that process, our focus goes from present inside and absent outside, to more and more present outside and absent inside, and the disconnection from presence inside is where Heartache Begins. And then we try to find ways of dealing with heartache or uneasiness, or whatever we call that yearning, striving blues. You know, there's lots of words for it right. Then we're trying to deal with the Blues by something on the outside. So if I make a million dollars, I'll be happy. I had a guy say that to me one day, man. I said, No, you I think most people think that, yeah. And he said that to me, and I said, No, you won't he said, What do you mean? I said, because when you make a million dollars, you'll find out you have three days where you're gonna say, I did it, I did it. And. On the fourth day, it's like, no, that didn't do it. Oh, interesting. Okay, so I said, then you're gonna say, if I make ten million I'll be happy, and you go through the same thing again, because 10 million won't make you happy. And if you look at, you know, all the really, really, really rich people, you know, the billionaires, most of them are pretty petty people. Yeah, they're not any happier than the people who got nothing.

Lisa Beres 30:23

Yeah, interesting. We just heard a podcast on that. We just heard a podcast with a coach who works with billionaires, and said most of the ones that he works with are very unhappy. Yeah,

Udo Erasmus 30:33

they're driven, but they're not driven to peace, love and happiness, and

Lisa Beres 30:36

it's so much focus on the success and the accumulation of wealth and that, yeah, they get unbalanced and forget, like, even to, you know, a lot of these people don't even take vacations because it's just like, I can't, I

Udo Erasmus 30:47

can't. And then they make a lot of money, and then they make a $50 billion and they're not happy. And it doesn't occur to them that if $50 billion doesn't do it for you, then maybe 100 might not either. But then they're chasing it and chasing it and chasing it, and they're just like hamsters on the hamster wheel.

Lisa Beres 31:04

It's not the money, so you can be because I want to preface this, it's not the money. Money's not evil, and there's nothing against no having a lot of money. It's that you've got to get your inner healing done so that when you get that million dollars, you're still at peace. It's that

Udo Erasmus 31:19

peace has nothing to do with money. And unconditional, empowering love has nothing to do with money. Yeah, right. And the problem with money is not that money is evil, but the love of money that makes you sacrifice life and sacrifice everything for just more money. Yeah, that's a

Lisa Beres 31:35

lot of times health goes to health, yeah, too. Health gets good stuff. That's

Udo Erasmus 31:39

where the evil is. Yeah, evil is the love of money, and you make money more important than life. There's something wrong with that picture,

Lisa Beres 31:47

right? Absolutely. Well, Udo. What

Ron Beres 31:50

are some other simple steps listeners can do right now to uplift they want to upload their energy. They want a better mood. What are some simple steps they can do so

Udo Erasmus 31:57

you start with heartache. You don't have to look for heartache. You get it on a regular basis from different things that you hoped will make you happy and didn't okay. So you get triggered, so most people don't like it. What do you do with heartache? You either distract yourself from it by doing something else, take your mind off it, or you deny it or ignore it, or maybe you try to explain it away, or you blame it on somebody. And what I say to people is, no, that's not the way to deal with heartache. Because if your heart aches, stay with it. Be with it, feel it. Sit with it. Quietly. You know, don't get like, just notice it, appreciate it, accept it. Because if you sit with your heartache quietly, that far behind it, less than a hair spreads behind that heartache is your reconnection to your wholeness. So heartache is actually the greatest gift life has given you, other than just being alive. Because if it wasn't for heartache, which pulls you out of your head, puts you into your body, makes you simple, grounds you right. If it wasn't for heartache, calling you home, because heartache is your life, calling your focus to come back home, inside, to reconnect. If it wasn't for that we would get so spaced out, we would get lost, we would never find our way home. Just like hunger is a gift, because it tells you when your body needs more fuel and more energy, and makes you eat. If you lost your hunger, you would starve to death and never notice. Okay, same with thirst. Thirst is there to remind you you need some water, right? If you never got thirst, you would dehydrate till you die, kind

Lisa Beres 33:51

of like illness too. Like we say this a lot, your body will give you whispers and symptoms. Maybe it's an allergy, whatever that is, kind of your wake up call. And a lot of times, people will mask that with a pill, right? Instead of getting hmm, right? Why am I having this reaction, or maybe this food every time I eat? It is making me feel bad, but I just keep ignoring it. But that is your body trying to tell you,

Udo Erasmus 34:13

yeah. Well, pain is a gift. Pain is a gift that gets your attention, and pain is really good at getting your attention, right. Yeah, then says something is off and needs to change. It doesn't tell you what it is, but once it's got your attention, then you try to figure it out. You try this, no, that doesn't work. We tried that a little bit better. So then you have to figure out what it is you need to do to make the pain go away. And when you do what caused the pain, when you actually address it. The pain goes away. Pain is like an attention getter, just like heartache is an attention getter, and heartache is just the central kind of pain that's about us looking for our peace. And the crazy thing about it is I have heartache for peace. The peace is already there. I'm missing because my. Focus is somewhere else. My focus is in here. My focus is out there. The piece that I'm looking for out there is waiting for me to discover it in here. Yeah, right. Would

Ron Beres 35:11

the same be true if you felt like warmth and love and a special moment? Is that a reminder that you're following the right course for thinner peace because you were talking about heartache being a trigger to reflect in. But isn't it a positive reinforcement to know that if your heart feels great, that that's a good sign too. What do you think that way?

Udo Erasmus 35:29

Yes and no. You know, because, because when somebody loves me on the outside, then I feel, oh, somebody loves me, but now I'm making that person responsible for feeling loved. Oh, I see. And when she has a bad day, I don't feel loved. So what we're doing is we're trying to get love from other people to make up for the fact that we're not in touch with love for ourselves or the love that life has for your body. And fundamentally, what we need to do is do the homework first, and when I feel loved, then I can have a lot of fun with somebody, and we can have something beautiful going on, but I'm not putting the burden on her that she should make me happy. That's homework she needs to do for herself, and I need to do for myself in order to have a really beautiful relationship. Okay, maybe

Ron Beres 36:21

you answered my question, what if you watch this amazing video? It's a puppy video. The puppy has no recollection that you're watching the video, but it warms your heart for whatever reason, that something's strong. Isn't that reinforcement that that's the right path for peace. I was trying to figure out there's a positive way to realize that you're going inside for peace. Do you know what I'm getting next? You were saying the heartache triggers that? No,

Udo Erasmus 36:44

but when you're watching the puppy, you're not going inside for peace, you're going outside for peace. Okay, right? But what's true is, when you feel it, you feel it inside. So it ain't the puppy. The puppy is a trigger. So the trigger could be negative to heartache, or it could be positive to love, but it's still a trigger, and it's not you being responsible for being present in your own space.

Ron Beres 37:07

I was trying to find a way to learn to go inside inner peace in a positive way, versus looking, you know, the negative. That's why I was asking you the opposite. Well, I'll

Udo Erasmus 37:16

tell you why. That doesn't seem to work for human beings when we have a too easy, we become sloppy. Okay? I was born during the Second World War, so I was in the war, and I was orphan kid, and I was a refugee kid, and we got stripped. We got everything stripped. Culture got stripped. The farm got stripped. The house got stripped. The cuddler got stripped. The language got stripped. The friends, the neighbors, everything got stripped. Other than we had our clothes, we had our body and the life in the body. So I got everything stripped. So I don't live in a culture where I take stuff for granted, but people in North America take the culture for granted, and they freak out when something gets taken away from them. Some little thing gets taken away from because we're indulged. We're indulged, we're entitled. And so then we have bad reactions for little things, yeah, because we don't realize how bad it can get, yeah, and we don't realize how good we've got it. And so when you try to get inside through something nice, well, it sort of gives you a little bit of a flavor, but it doesn't make you do the work, you know? And there are people who say, Look, when the pain of not doing the homework is greater than the pain of doing the homework, yeah, because it's kind of painful to sit still if you're not used to it, right? The pain of not changing yes is stronger than the pain of changing. Then we change. Yes, right? It seems to be more negative things that make us pay attention more than positive things.

Lisa Beres 38:57

I have a question because part of this because it isn't easy to stay in that state every day with chaos going on in the world. I know it takes practice, daily practice, to kind of build up a muscle, really, and get better at it, and then it does become easy. And then it becomes easy. Do you personally avoid negative like a movie that would be like a stressful movie, or a negative movie or negative people and negative like, if you find yourself in a conversation that's negative, do you excuse yourself? Like, how do you manage that?

Udo Erasmus 39:28

Well, it depends on what's important to you. Right? If being part of a group that is dysfunctional is more important to you than having your peace, then you'll put up with the dysfunction. But you don't have to, and I will walk from

Lisa Beres 39:42

situations, you will so you'll just excuse yourself and say, yeah. I

Udo Erasmus 39:46

mean, I can't walk from all situations, right? But if I have a choice in a situation being around negative people, why would I do that? Right? How does that help me

Lisa Beres 39:55

give us a good technique? Because I know this is something people struggle with. Yeah. Especially in like, political conversations, they can get heated. And people are very, very ego driven when it comes to that ego, meaning, like, it's their way, and if you don't think like them, you're wrong, right? So that happens a lot. You

Udo Erasmus 40:13

can ask them a question, I always like it, you know, because people have very strong opinions, and those opinions come from experience, whatever the experience was as a childhood like, if your parents beat you every time you didn't say the right Jesus words, you're probably going to become a Christian who's very harsh, okay, just like an example, right? So what I do in those situations, I try to find out how they arrived at their strong opinion, that's good. I don't argue with them that their opinion is wrong, because their opinion is their opinion, right? It has a foundation, right? But I'm interested in what it is, and maybe through their insight of how they got to their opinion, that might be helpful to them as well.

Lisa Beres 40:58

That's good. That's good. That's good. That's a good tool, because I was thinking of tools, tool.

Udo Erasmus 41:03

But here's the thing, when I feel loved and I'm in peace, I don't need to be right. Yes, that's right. A lot of times being right becomes a substitute for being content. Yeah, you don't, you don't get contentment from being right. You get worse from being right, right, right.

Lisa Beres 41:19

There's a quote, confidence is quiet, insecurity is loud. And I always love that, because it's true, right when your comments

Udo Erasmus 41:26

be really insecure, because I'm pretty loud right now,

Ron Beres 41:30

I'm loud too.

Lisa Beres 41:31

So you'll be meditating right after this, so you'll get your confidence.

Udo Erasmus 41:35

Oh, but it's a beautiful topic. It's a beautiful topic. 8 billion people on this planet could live in touch with peace and feel unconditionally loved and live in inspired purpose where they want to help instead of take, give instead of take, help instead of hurt. 8 billion people could we're wired for that. It's just that the powers that be have never encouraged, and no culture that I know of encourages going to peace and going to love, even though those are our basic nature to go to those and use those as a foundation to live a life and live on a planet where we actually take care of everything.

Lisa Beres 42:19

I would add health to that too, because I don't think we're really taught that you have to learn life is perfect health. But I mean growing up like you're not taught anything about health, you have to learn that on your own.

Udo Erasmus 42:33

Yeah, and we call disease management healthcare, yeah, right, but it's actually disease management if you want to be healthy. Health was invented by life in nature. You need to live in line with nature and your nature in order to be totally healthy. Yes, and yes, no. Culture that I know of teaches that, yeah. But you know what the masters did and the wise people did, yeah?

Lisa Beres 42:56

The Buddhists, right? The Budds at the monasteries. I mean, they know this,

Udo Erasmus 43:00

I would say the Buddhas. The Buddhas, yeah, I'm not sure. The Buddhists, they get into stuff too, right? And they all say, like, Buddha said, You are a Buddha, whether you know it or not, it's better to know it than not to know it.

Lisa Beres 43:13

Yeah, okay, I'm gonna give you an example, and then you're gonna tell me. Okay, so somebody has a stressful job. They have this mean Boss, I'm just creating this they've been late to work. The boss says, one more time, and you're gonna lose your job. The person you know has a snafu on their way to work, and they're late, and then they get fired. We're talking about a crisis situation for somebody, maybe they got a diagnosis. Like, I think that's the real challenge that people have. Like, how do they get to that quiet, peaceful state when they feel like their life has spiraled out, and it sounds good to be quiet and calm, but things feel like they're falling apart, right?

Udo Erasmus 43:48

See, your life never spiraled out of control. Your life is not spiralable out of control. Your life is your life unconditional, empowering, love that's still there, not changed, not affected by the firing. You might ask, Why did you hang out with this boss who was awful in the first place?

Lisa Beres 44:08

Had a red flag at that end? No, that's a sign,

Udo Erasmus 44:10

right? Some people will make you sick. So it's better you walk from them, and it's better.

Lisa Beres 44:14

Oh, so in like a state like that, would you say universe always has my back. Things are always working out for me. Yeah? You could say, Thank God it's over, yeah, okay. Like, like, always finding the positive in every situation,

Udo Erasmus 44:29

yeah? But I don't mean, you know, try and make up some nice mindset, okay, I'm saying, get to the place where that's true. Something is somewhere in you That's true. You know, mindset is over rated, because the mindset, you create the mindset, and you can create positive, and you create it negative and you create it. So let's like a thrival mindset, but if you suck back a little behind that and get into the experience, the direct, personal inner experience of the peace. It is your foundation and the unconditional, empowering love that life has for your body. If you're in touch with that, you don't have to make it up. You don't have to make it up. You've already got it. You know, the mindset tries to get you there by your thoughts. What if you go beyond your thoughts and go there because it's already there, right? I

Lisa Beres 45:21

mean anything someone with a terminal cancer, listening to this show can get to that place even though everything around them feels Chadic and they don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Udo Erasmus 45:35

No. So let's just look at what is cancer. Your body is a terminal condition, even you, even you guys, even me, right? My body is a terminal condition. That's a fact, okay, right? And I like the Jesus story a lot, because it's actually the story of every human being. So number one, conception was immaculate. You know, the conception of a child is an immaculate process, true for every human being, everybody comes into the world by lowly birth, lowly birth. What does that mean? Well, one of the Church Fathers said we are all born between the urine and the excrements. Oh, yeah. And that's true for the billionaires too, right? Came through the same channel, right? And then, you know, we grow up, and then we contribute something. And sooner or later, every body gets crucified in one way or another. The body is a terminal condition. Could be a car accident, it could be a cancer, it could be old age, it could be toxicity. So there's a lot of ways to get crucified and after that, and this is the one for cancer, death is not the end body. You know, if you think you're the body and you're just identified with the body, then as the body becomes less virile or vibrant, then you're gonna see, oh my god, oh my god, I'm getting old. Oh, boy, oh, oh. But in that body is something that never ages, right? And never does survives. Death is formless to begin with. Life is formless, energy and peace is formless. Awareness, those never die. So what happens is, when you die, if you think about it, what happened when you were in your mother's womb, you were in peace, in love, and you didn't know the outside world. Then you came out, and you got into the outside world. I call it the world of surfaces, of things. And you hear things, and you see things, and you see the movement, and you get involved in all of that. But what happens when you die? Your focus falls back into its source, and literally, you disconnect from the outside world, then you disconnect from your ideas, then you disconnect from your body, and you end up merging in the energy, whether you call that light or sound, both are experienceable or love, feeling of love, all of that is energy. And then beyond that, you go into pure awareness. And so literally, you're born into an externalization, and you die into an internalization, right? And so the people who do the practice of peace, like in meditation. Meditation is like dying. In fact, some people call it practice dying. Why? Because what you do is you deliberately disconnect from the outside world, disconnect from your thinking, disconnect from your body, bathe in the energy, bathe in the awareness, right? And the only difference between dying and meditation is that when you meditate, you're doing it deliberately, and you come back out into the world. And when you're dying, it's not voluntary, and you don't come back interesting. But when you know how to go into those deeper places that fear of death disappears because you actually know yourself as something that never dies. How cool is that? That's really cool. But

Ron Beres 49:11

one final question here. So we've talked about your stillness practice. Obviously you believe in nourishing your body with healthy food, healthy nutrients, oils, you know that make you thrive. You're a perfect example of someone living in their 80s who's thriving full of energy, great health, vibrant. If we're not going to pass over at this moment, we want to get to our 80s, 90s, hundreds, whatever it may be. Do you also have a physical practice that helps you get to a stillness state? And so what I mean by that? Are you some sort of yoga pose? Are you consistently making sure that you're keeping your heartbeat at a certain b word, exercising, yeah,

Udo Erasmus 49:46

all of the above you know, you can do, like I have a chin up bar in my my door jam, right? Yeah,

Ron Beres 49:54

I'm a mini Udo.

Udo Erasmus 49:55

I sometimes stand on it with my muscles slightly tense and. Just feel the presence in that pose. I just made that up, right? I lie down in my bed. You know, the issue is, never the pose. The issue is, how do you bring the focus into the space your body occupies? Okay? What I tell people to do, and this is like a way to answer your question. Finally, is number one, believe, or at least accept, until you find out for sure that everything you're looking for is already inside of you, that peace, that love, that feeling content, that feeling whole, that feeling healthy that's already within you, not necessarily part of your body, but in you and your spirit yourself, that's number one. So you already have what you're looking for.

Lisa Beres 50:48

The six pack is there. The six pack is, yeah,

Udo Erasmus 50:53

hidden, but it's there. But I'm not talking about physical but you don't even have to do anything other than shift your focus to get to the love and to get to the peace. Okay, so, number one, it's already within you. You are as Buddha as Buddha was. You have what Christ talked about, is already within you. It is human nature. These were teachers of human nature. You don't get taught human nature anywhere else, other than from these master teachers. Okay, so it's already within you focus on heartache as a place to pull you in, and then practice as often as you can, involuntary solitude in stillness, bringing your focus into the space your body occupies. And then it's like learning to walk. You know, you fell on your nose, I don't know how many times, but now you're walking, you can lose your focus. You won't fall on your nose. You won't get a bloody nose, but you lose your focus. We'll bring it back, we'll bring it back, we'll bring it back, we'll bring it back. And just get good at moving your focus, because you can do it on the outside. On the outside, I could say, oh, okay, well, there's you on that picture, and there's you on that picture, and over there's the trees and the leaves, and over there's a lamp, and over here is that something else, right? So I can move my focus outside, everywhere, really well inside. I could do that too if I practiced as much moving inside, within our focus as I have practiced going outside in our focus. Because we go outside every day, all the time, hardly ever we go inside and get good at focusing inside. That's the homework.

Lisa Beres 52:25

That's the homework, guys, would you say Udo? Because Ron and I are big believers of law of attraction and vision boards and manifestation. That's part of our daily practice,

Udo Erasmus 52:35

but that's part of the mental mental right? So you're trying to create that, and I'm trying to get you to go to something that you don't have to create only rediscover.

Lisa Beres 52:47

Okay, so you're trying to manifest blank. I'm just gonna use a car. Okay, this is your dream car. You're trying to manifest that when you go into your state of just the stillness, but your car is something you're achieving. It could be a success in your business, whatever love, anything health. Are you attracting it more just from being in that still space that you were talking about? Because, like, what we've been taught by, like a lot of teachers that we follow, is when you focus and yes, they want you to get very excited. They want you to have the feeling attached to, the joy, whatever you're attracting, not just the visual, and then that the energy attracts like energy, right? I mean, that's how law of attraction is taught, like energy attracts like energy. So in your situation, how do you attract things in your life that you are desiring, if you're not focusing them on them, or will they just come when you put yourself in a practice of staying still and quiet, will the things that are meant for you just kind of find their way to you?

Udo Erasmus 53:46

It's a great question. Well, first of all, if you want a car, you could just go steal it, right? Instead of visualizing or, you know, you could, I'm not saying you should. And if a car thief wants a car, guaranteed, he visualizes the car. But it's not about visualizing. It's about focus. What you love, what is, what works for you, pulls your focus. Okay, like, how come I worked in oils? It pulled my focus.

Lisa Beres 54:15

But do you think that was because of your stillness? Practice?

Udo Erasmus 54:19

The stillness practice made the possibility open. Okay, yeah, that was literally from that place anything is possible, okay? Because on the foundation of the peace that is within you, the entire universe, including you, got created out of peace. That's the foundation of everything. When you can go to that peace, you can literally go in any direction which is cool, right, right? But what direction will you go in? Well, that depends on who you are, where you live, and what your experiences are, and what your talents are. And for me, I never slid out on my mother's body and said, I'm going to be the fat man, and I'm going to dedicate 40 years to working with working with making oils, with. Health in mind, right? That was never on my roster, but something happened where I had a contradiction between omega six is essential and Omega six gives you on cancer and kills you. And that completely pulled me in, because I needed to understand better than I understood this is contradictory, right? No, no, it can't be contradictory because I'm sick, I need to get healthy. So that made me look deeper. And then when I realized that we could make oils with health in mind, it was like, Oh, my God, 99% of the population doesn't get enough omega threes. 99 that's 99 oh, my God, we could help almost everybody. Yeah, and it feels so good when you help that it feels good in your heart, yeah, just like it feels bad in your heart when you hurt people, right, right, paying attention, right? You suffer, yeah. So then that drew me in, and I got so excited. I had no business background, and we built a business, and it was like, it was so exciting, but the excitement was, Oh, my God, we could make life so much better. And being a war baby, that's important to me, because war is about as low as it gets. Oh my god. Anything I can do to make quality of life better, I want to be into that.

Lisa Beres 56:14

That was more important, the driving factor for you than the success. Would you say, of the business? What's changing people's lives was that the bigger one, success, financial success, however you want to,

Udo Erasmus 56:27

you know what? I have literally never given a shit about money, because we grew up without money, and I don't remember ever feeling deprived. My sister did. She had compared herself to other people. I never did. I always had a product going on. I've never done anything for money in my life. Wow, even though money's always been part of it. But the focus is about quality. The focus is about life. The focus is this is the planet that has life on it. Yeah? Anything you can do to encourage, empower, protect, save life that's inspiring, yes, that will fill you up. And we're built up, and we're built to be inspired by helping if we get in touch with our own deepest inner impulses. Yeah,

Lisa Beres 57:14

because I think a lot of people are living lives I don't even know what percentage I would say, yeah, quite desperate jobs they hate. I mean, let's say there's a lot of people in jobs that they hate. And

Udo Erasmus 57:25

why? Because you got to do something for money, right? I was broke for 15 years working on oils. I moved in with my mother. I was 41 when I moved back in with my mother, wow, ended up having a stroke, so it was nice for me to be around and help her in little ways. But the reason I did it wasn't I saw the check at the end of it. I said, Oh my god, this is worth doing. Oh my god, people could probably benefit from what I'm learning about oils as I'm doing this research for my own situation. Yeah, right. And I was like, oh my god, this is worth doing. So I was doing it because it was worth doing, and there was no check at the end of it. Yeah, right. For 15 years, for 15 years,

Lisa Beres 58:06

wow, wow. So someone who's in a job that they hate right now, besides the practice, do you think people who hate what they're doing, because there's a lot of them, should get a hobby that they love, or would you say, jump ship, and just try to figure out do it well, you

Udo Erasmus 58:23

could do it any way you want, but my guess is that if you do your homework and you discover the beauty of your existence, you will stop hating the job, and you'll do the best you can, okay. And my guess is that you will outgrow the job, yeah, and that's how the change will happen. But it might also be, you wake up one night and you see the picture, you see a picture said, Oh my god, I got to

Lisa Beres 58:46

do this. Yeah, yeah, you'll feel the calling.

Udo Erasmus 58:49

Yeah. It'll be something that gets your attention. It'll get you there, yeah. And fits our personality, and fits your education, and fits your talents, and fits you know, it's for you. It's like God's gift through you,

Lisa Beres 59:03

right, right? As our friend Suzanne says, Your unique divine soul blueprint, we all have it, right? Yeah, that's

Udo Erasmus 59:09

a good way to put it. Yeah. Shout out, Suzanne.

Lisa Beres 59:11

Well, thank you, Udo. We are kind of out of time. We've gone over and we could talk to you for hours. That's why you came back for round two.

Udo Erasmus 59:19

Maybe we'll have to do round three, right?

Lisa Beres 59:22

We got more to talk about Udo. Thank you for being with us today, friends, be sure to snag your free gift, the first draft of udos. New upcoming book. Your body needs an oil change just

Udo Erasmus 59:35

like your car.

Lisa Beres 59:38

Do it for your car. Do it for your body. And he's also got a bonus video course, and you can head to Udo Erasmus. That's U D, O, E, R, A, S, M, U, s.com, forward slash healthy home has or you'll learn bad oils out, good oils in. If you do it right, you will look better, feel better, think better, do better. And be better.

Ron Beres 1:00:01

Yes and friends, as always, please be sure to rate and subscribe to the show if you like listening to amazing guests like Udo like it. Give us five stars. Let us know,

Udo Erasmus 1:00:11

and don't forget that you got amazing hosts like ah, Ron, ah and Lisa. Thank you, because you know your life wires. That's what I say. Live wires, it's like, it's fun to have a conversation with you guys, because get out, like, if you know, if you were like, like, or, yeah, I wouldn't be able to do this. Yeah, the host is as important as the guest. Wow.

Ron Beres 1:00:35

Thank you so much. Compliment. Very kind. Plus,

Udo Erasmus 1:00:38

if I wasn't talking to your tribe, or whatever you call the people who follow you, I'd be downstairs in my bathroom talking to myself in the mirror.

Lisa Beres 1:00:48

We don't want that. We need Udo here. We need to hear I've

Udo Erasmus 1:00:51

done all of that that I ever will need to do in my life. Well, we are glad

Lisa Beres 1:00:55

you're talking about us today.

Ron Beres 1:00:57

Absolutely. I kind of thought you'd be in stillness, due to but that's okay. If you talk yourself,

Udo Erasmus 1:01:02

the stillness is there to somebody I'm in touch with it even while

Ron Beres 1:01:08

I'm talking. Well, thank you for the kind words. And as always, head to the healthy allmax.com for all the show notes, and we'll see you in a couple weeks. Stay healthy everyone. And thank you. And thank you Udo. Thanks so

Lisa Beres 1:01:18

much. And take your oil. Take your udos oil.

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