103: Healthy Oils vs Unhealthy Oils

Narrarator 0:05

How would you like to improve your health and keep your family safe? You're listening to the Healthy Home Hacks podcast where we firmly believe in joining optimal health shouldn't be a luxury. Healthy Home authorities and husband and wife team Ron and Lisa will help you create a home environment that will level up your health. It's time to hear from the experts. Listen in on honest conversations and gain the best tips and advice. If you're ready to dive in and improve your well being and increase your energy, you're in the right place. All right, here are your hosts, baubiologists, authors, media darlings, vicarious vegans and avocado aficionados, Ron and Lisa Beres.

Lisa Beres 0:48

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Ron Beres 2:07

More health problems come from bad damaged soils than any other part of nutrition. More health benefits come from good oils made with health in mind than any other part of nutrition. Udo Erasmus.

Lisa Beres 2:23

Unless you've been living under a canola, corn, safflower soybean, rapeseed, cottonseed oil rock, then you've likely heard a lot about vegetable and seed oils lately. The Good, the Bad, and the ugly. And let's face it, it's confusing and overwhelming to the average person which oils to use and which ones to lose.

Ron Beres 2:45

Which brings us to today's show and the importance of omega six, Omega nine and omega three fatty acids. What's the best source? How do we make sure we're getting enough? And how did vegetarians and vegans protect themselves by getting the proper nutrients in their diet? Our guest today is the legendary Udo Erasmus, the co founder of Udo's Choice line leader design the machinery for making oils with health in mind and pioneered flax oil of billion dollar industry.

Lisa Beres 3:20

Today, Udo is an acclaimed speaker and author of many books, including the best selling Fats That Heal Fats That Kill which we're going to ask him about. So hold tight friends, which has sold over 250,000 copies. He has taught at events hosted by Tony Robbins and Deepak Chopra has keynoted an international brain health conference and has traveled to over 30 countries impacting millions of lives with his message on oils, health, nature and human nature. Udo has an extensive education in biochemistry, genetics, biology and nutrition, including a master's degree in counseling psychology.

Ron Beres 4:01

Welcome to the show Udo.Yes.

Udo Erasmus 4:06

Thank you for having me on.

Lisa Beres 4:08

Udo is here. I used to go down the aisles of Whole Foods and buy your oil. And I said to Ron, wow, remember when we first started buying it? Did you ever think we'd be interviewing Udo. So full circle moments from our days in Redondo Beach? Right when we were buying that? Very cool. Udo it's so great to have you here. We were having a lot of fun before the show started. Maybe we'll have some singing and whistling as we go.

Udo Erasmus 4:37

Maybe not.

Ron Beres 4:40

He is very modest. His that was a solid whistle. Right. That was really good going through and a good singer. You know, he was hard on himself in the singing but you know, I think he's exceptional, so maybe we'll get a treat at the end. We'll do this thing later.

Udo Erasmus 4:53

Give it a shot.

Lisa Beres 4:54

Oh yes. Okay, well, Udo we have a lot of ground to cover. So I want to dive right in. Yeah. And let's start at the beginning of your compelling journey of overcoming adversity as a child, a war immigrant, and how your early life led up to you becoming poisoned by pesticides.

Udo Erasmus 5:12

Okay, you got 82 years. I'll tell you the whole story.

Ron Beres 5:16

We do.

Udo Erasmus 5:17

I was born in 1942, in part of Poland that was then part of Germany during the Second World War, and on a stolen farm, sort of Germany stole the farm. When Hitler and Stalin made a non aggression pact, Latvia, where my parents lived, was went to the Soviet Union, and a part of Poland went to Germany, and there was nobody from Latvia or Poland at the meeting. They just took it. Right. Wow, wow. Yeah, this is like, crazy stuff. My father left Latvia, because he loved Russia. He loved Russians, because they're very feeling people. And he hated communism, because they took everything away from everybody. And he was given a farm in Poland, that belonged to the Polish farmer, but Germany confiscated it, gave it to my father. So the owner of the farm became my father's farm man. My father was also farmer.

Lisa Beres 6:11

Oh, my gosh.

Udo Erasmus 6:12

And that was a little tension. And so my said, My father said, Look, we're living in crazy times, let's just run the farm the way the farm needs to be run. And then when all this stuff settles out, was sorted out. And they became really good friends in the middle of this craziness. When the war ended. We were refugees. My father was off to war. He was in a prisoner of war camp at that point. And my mother Disfarmer, they helped us to get out. And they were on horsedrawn, hay wagons on dirt roads, with no military presence, all women with young children, and trying to get the hell out of being chased by the communists and tanks and trucks. And the allies. You know, these are the guys we like to think of as the good guys. They were using the refugees as target practice shooting at them from planes.

Lisa Beres 7:02

Wow.

Udo Erasmus 7:03

And it was pretty intense. I was two years old. And I just remember not feeling safe. And being hungry sometimes, and not knowing what I could trust. Because every day it was a different story.

Lisa Beres 7:13

Oh, my gosh, wow.

Udo Erasmus 7:14

And my take home from that is, hey, if you're gonna have kids, don't raise them in a war zone. Right? Absolutely. So and then we got out then my mother had to get off the road because it was winter. And the roads is where all the bullets were flying. And she decided to go through the fields to snow covered fields. But she had six kids with her so she had to leave for behind. She couldn't handle it. Oh, so I ended up in an orphanage for a short time. And can you imagine a mother having to make that kind of a decision?

Lisa Beres 7:44

No Sophie's Choice, right? Yes.

Udo Erasmus 7:47

So kind of like that. Yeah. Wow. And then we eventually got reunited her sister found out what happened. And then she went out and looked for us. We got all got reunited. So for me, it was like, I grew up really shy. You know, as I was like this started Yeah, you know, because I didn't, who can I trust? You know, what's, who's going to turn on me when I love books, because books are safe. Nothing jumps out of you from a book. No flying at all. You can read about a war. So I was very bookish. And I loved nature. Because nature has a nice pace. I watched little spiders go up and down blades of grass. And, you know, I love nature. Nature's beautiful. Yeah,

Lisa Beres 8:27

We do, too. We're very obsessed with nature.

Udo Erasmus 8:29

When I was six, I heard people arguing adults arguing about like, really trivial things that I thought as a six year old were trivial. And this thought came to me and always made me uneasy when they argued because it was so intense. And this thought came to me man, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. Kochi voice, I'm gonna find out how, you know, six years old, don't know how complicated everything I'm going to find out. So that's been my driver all my life. And I did find out which is probably not going to get too much of that. But there's a way that people can live in harmony. Hmm, I know how, huh. And so then anyway, so I went to school, school was tough because they they didn't like DPS. Displaced Persons. Okay, refugees, okay. They were taking up room in their countries. They didn't like this had a lot of issues.

Ron Beres 9:19

This was in Germany.

Udo Erasmus 9:21

This in German. Okay. After the war.

Ron Beres 9:23

So it's behind the Berlin Wall, basically.

Udo Erasmus 9:25

No, no, we were in West Germany. Oh, you're okay.

Ron Beres 9:28

I see. I see. All right, right. Right. Thank you.

Udo Erasmus 9:30

We went from Poland, through Berlin. So by that time, we're already in the eastern part of Germany. Okay, then to West Germany to Düsseldorf, actually. Oh, wow. And then East and West Germany when they were divided. Part Why was in was West Germany.

Lisa Beres 9:46

Wow. When you were at the orphanage, were you with other siblings? Did you get to stay together?

Udo Erasmus 9:51

One of my siblings was there too. But I don't remember like I don't have a memory of that. I just remembered more of the feelings like the anxiety You know, that would be ah, you know, this this stuff? Yeah. Anyway, so my parents went through the First World War, then the Bolshevik Revolution, then the depression. And then the second world war. That was their life in Europe.

Oh my gosh.

My father when he went through Quebec, eastern Canada, which is very similar to Latvia, because its latitude is similar birch trees and aspen trees and evergreens. And when he saw that, he said, If I survive the war, I'm going to Canada. So when I was 10, came back when I was four, when it took us six years to go through the bureaucracy to get the paperwork done. And when I was 10, we left Germany for Canada.

Ron Beres 10:45

Okay, wow, you were such a beam of light. I mean, your positive attitude from beginning to end going through all this is incredible. It really is.

Udo Erasmus 10:52

Well, you know what, I was affected by it big time. But the thing is that everybody has trauma. There's no childhood that is not traumatic. You know, you fall down your skin yourself, you know, somebody be struggling. Yeah, somebody bullies you, your parents punish you for something you didn't do. You know, it just goes on and on and on. Life is not easy. When you come in without a roadmap, right? We all come in without a roadmap, right? And we have to figure it out on the fly. So given that, everybody has trauma, but something in us is not affected by trauma. And it took me like, over 20 years after the war had ended. War ended when I was two, I was still bitching about it when I was 26. And one day, I was sitting in the sun on a porch, just not doing anything just sitting there. And I said, Oh my God, you know, through all of this time, all my dramas and all my traumas, something took perfect care of me. And I have never given that ever any acknowledgement. Oh, and it's been really an incredible friend. I've never ever thought gee, maybe I'd like to get to know, gee, maybe this friend might be really good to get to know, that was a turnaround for me to start to look at, well, what is life? You know, how do I get in touch with? In a way I tried to figure it out before too, because I studied biology, right. And the reason I studied it was like, Bio means life. ology means study biology study of life, I knew that I wanted to know what license. And I had this thought that at some point, we would have a beaker, you know, a glass beaker, that would be half filled with something liquid and shiny. And we'd all be standing there and look at it. There's life. But we never got that beaker in biology. Because in biology, you don't actually study life. You study form and function. And we started with our living frog in one of our experiments, right? By the time we were done, we had put electricity on a nerve. And then when the electricity hit the nerve, the muscle contracted. And so we could see oh, yeah, that's form and function. Right. But the light was gone. Yeah. And I said to my lab partner, you know, we should really study ourselves. Because in ourselves, we have form and function and life all together. And we don't have to kill ourselves to get to know it.

Lisa Beres 13:12

Right? Or anything, right or anything. Yeah.

Udo Erasmus 13:16

And I just glanced over, he totally didn't get what I was saying.

Lisa Beres 13:22

Like, I'm changing majors, yeah. Right. Absolutely.

Udo Erasmus 13:25

So I went into biological science for that. Then I went into psych, psychology study of soul. seemed to me yeah, there must be something there because people talk about it. Well, you don't study soul and psychology, you study thoughts, beliefs, and emotion. And we did a little bit of physiological psychology, brain function and stuff like that. But you don't ever get us a handle on soul. Yeah. Then I went into medicine, because it's called health care. And I thought in medicine, I'm going to learn about health. We didn't learn about health I went to the dean. I said, what his health he said, We don't know we're working on it.

Lisa Beres 13:58

We're working on it. It's been a long time.

Udo Erasmus 14:01

You want to see the perfect archetype of disappointment? That would have been my face when I heard that?

Lisa Beres 14:08

Wow. Yeah. It's the sick care industry.

Udo Erasmus 14:11

Yeah, of course. And then we were told, in first year medicine, a doctor should always sound as though he knows what's going on, even when he doesn't. Oh, and we call that lying on the farm. That was the end of my medical career. Well, I went back into biological sciences, biochemistry, genetics, because in biological sciences, you learn more about health than in medicine, because you're studying normal function of normal creatures in normal situations. And in medicine, you're studying sick creatures, right? In abnormal situations, whether it's pesticide poisoning or whatever it is, right. So I ended up in biochemistry and genetics, but it's still about form and function. You know, we talk about the energy molecule, the life molecule ATP, right. We'll looked at the molecule, but we never got a handle on the energy. And I wanted to know what is that energy? I eventually got to it. It's a long story, we probably should do a whole thing on that as well.

Ron Beres 15:10

Absolutely. I like how you are focused on life.

Udo Erasmus 15:13

Yeah, on human nature and total health, we're gonna get into that. Eventually, I found out what else is what life is. And literally, that's what I'm most focused on these days. Yeah, in the meantime, I left university I did live with psychedelics for a couple of years, I had some very powerful experiences that kind of melted the door off my war per kid personality. Oh my god, there's 1000 ways to live. And so that took me a step closer, and eventually I ended up starting to do a stillness practice. Okay, I've been doing that for over 50 years. Because if you want to get to know your life, and the peace, within which your life unfolds, and the inspiration that is to shine of light into the world, you have to sit down, shut up, shut out all of your distractions, and be with yourself. And notice what's there? How can you do that? If you never sit still? Right? So so we know more about an environment than we know about ourselves?

Lisa Beres 16:12

Oh yeah. People know more about celebrities than they do about themselves or their body or their mind.

Udo Erasmus 16:17

And we know about our car engines and our watches than we know about how human beings functions. Yeah. Or what total health is.

Ron Beres 16:25

Udo with the throne the time that when you started your inspirational journey from when you're four guys in a van, no AC traveling across America versus before then?

Udo Erasmus 16:34

No, so I was already doing that. Okay, that was doing the practice. Okay. I started the practice 1972, I had a very powerful spiritual experience that basically reset my whole life in 1970. Okay, not talk to anybody about it for 30 years, until 2001. When not when 9/11 happened, okay. And I realized, Oh, my God, what I know, is cool. It's about contentment, and discontent. People will always spread discontent. And if people are content, and I claim to be one of those people, if we don't spread contentment faster than they spread discontent, guess where we're headed? Right? There has to be something, something that we become aware of. That isn't just garbage. That isn't just conflict that isn't just opposition. That isn't just argument.

Lisa Beres 17:25

Do you think we're in a spiritual war of light and dark right now?

Udo Erasmus 17:29

Oh, 100%. But you could say that the humanity has always been in that spiritual war. It's only it's more intense now. Because we have so much more destructibility available to us. And we're so discontent. Most people Yeah. And you people say, Well, we have so many distractions. Well, actually, that's never been different. Because you only need one distraction, to lose your connection to yourself.

Lisa Beres 17:53

Well, yeah, that's true.

Udo Erasmus 17:55

We have a million to choose from, but you only need one right? So can only do one at a time. Yeah, yeah. So that's not different. And the heart aches for fulfillment, because heart ache is the call to come home. Yes, but this is the other thing. So then anyway, I got out of university and I did all of that. Then I got married and had three kids. My marriage broke up. And I was really upset and I wanted to kill something. So I took a job as a full time pesticide sprayer. Oh, pesticides were only made to kill living things. Right? That's their only function.

Lisa Beres 18:28

That's their job.

Udo Erasmus 18:29

Yeah, I was really careless, dated for three years got poisoned by pesticides?

Lisa Beres 18:34

Oh, what kind of pesticide?

Udo Erasmus 18:36

Or you name it, glyphosate.

Lisa Beres 18:38

Not DDT? Or was DDT.

Udo Erasmus 18:40

DDT was already outlawed by that time, but okay. Diazinon and fungicides, insecticides, herbicides, glyphosate, you know, everybody knows glyphosate. Yeah, I started that job in 1976. Glyphosate came on the market, I think in about 1974. Around there. They used to put on the label, inactivated on contact with soil that was on the label. And I thought, Oh, my God, we have the perfect pesticide. It kills what it's supposed to kill, and then it's inactivated. And you know what? That was never true. Wow, it was never true. And nobody ever took Monsanto to task for that.

Lisa Beres 19:21

Really because they've been sued all their law a lot.

Udo Erasmus 19:23

They've been sued for glyphosate causing lymphoma and other health problems. Yes. But they've never been.

Lisa Beres 19:27

But not for the labeling portion.

Udo Erasmus 19:32

Not for lying about the fact that it's not enacted when it hits the soil.

Lisa Beres 19:36

Oh, yeah. How would it be if it was inactive when I hit the soil? It wouldn't really be doing its job, I guess. Right. I mean.

Ron Beres 19:43

No killing the bugs and making sure.

Udo Erasmus 19:44

Well no, it would kill the plant that you're trying to kill. Right. And then it would be neutralized, and that would be the best picture right? Oh, I see. But it was never true. They just lied about it.

Lisa Beres 19:56

Oh, corporate lies.

Udo Erasmus 19:57

So then I went to the doctor and said what do you have for pesticide poisoning and she said nothing.

Lisa Beres 20:02

They were like, what's that? Probably then? Right? People didn't really know about it?

Udo Erasmus 20:06

Well, no, they just don't have anything. You know, we have to know how to make the poisons, but we actually don't have antidotes for many of them.

Lisa Beres 20:12

Oh, gotcha. Right. So now so that's it. Okay.

Udo Erasmus 20:15

Well, I guess I'm on my own now. And the penny really dropped on Oh, my God, my house is really my responsibility. I sort of knew it. But not the rubber really hit the road at that point.

Lisa Beres 20:26

Did the company that you worked for have any precautions in place for you like no mask, no gloves, and nothing.

Udo Erasmus 20:32

I could have worn them. I didn't wear them, because I didn't want to scare the neighbors. Oh, oh. But we were not told about the negative effects of pesticide poisoning by the government that licensed me to spray them. So I had to take a course I got 99 and a half percent on the course.

Lisa Beres 20:51

I know my stuff will be fine. You know, you'll be fine. This is tested safe.

Udo Erasmus 20:56

Yeah. And when the guy who marked it said to me, I said, What did I get wrong? I think you made a mistake marking my exam.

Lisa Beres 21:04

Oh, I know what it was do companies lab.

Ron Beres 21:06

Yeah, that would have been good.

Udo Erasmus 21:08

But he said to me, he laughed. He said, So how many instars in a fruit fly, or in a crane slam? And I said four. And that's part of crane flight development, right? He said, Well, you circle to. That was the one mistake I made. And I actually knew the right answer. I don't know why I circled the wrong one. Anyway, so I was good. And I knew that but we never got anything about what are the side effects? What are the poisoning effect? And then when I got poisoned, I called the people who did the course and said, can I come and look at some of the research on pesticides? And say, oh, no, you're gonna have pesticide poisoning. You just got a flu. It's going around. So they lied to me. So then I went to Greenpeace, and met a couple of women who had collected that they had a stack, it's like two feet, high stack of studies on pesticide poisoning, different pesticides, different poisoning different, different things. So I went through that and my palms started to sweat because I said, Oh, shit, I have cancer to look forward to. And we don't have an antidote for this. And so then it was like, Okay, well, I have biochemistry, genetic background, let me figure it out. And fundamentally, it's like, if you do the reverse of what you did to get it, then you should be able to get it. Right. Right, very simple, simple thing. So I said, Okay, bodies made out of food, also water and air, but I was just thinking food at that time. So if body is made out of food, then I want to read everything I can about nutrition and health and nutrition and disease. So I was doing that when at the MEDLINE database, huge database had 16,000 citations, different studies, cited in it so huge, and looked for everything I could find. And I was looking at minerals, there's a teeny central minerals, there's 13 essential vitamins, there's nine essential amino acids that come from proteins, there are two essential fatty acids that come from oils. And each one the body can't make but has to have, has to therefore get from outside. If you don't get enough, you cannot stay healthy, your house will deteriorate. And if you don't get enough, long enough, you die. Wow, each one of these 42 I didn't know that. That's interesting. And if your health is going down, because you didn't get enough of it, but before you die, because death, by definition is not reversible, right? Before you die, you bring enough back into the diet, then all the problems that come from not getting enough are reversed. Because life knows what to do to make a body that works. If you make sure here at your mouth, that you bring in the building blocks, all of them.

Ron Beres 23:53

So it's a quick turnaround. So it's a quick turn around if you can, you know.

Lisa Beres 23:56

Are you saying any illness Udo?

Udo Erasmus 23:59

Relatively. Yeah, I'll get to that in a second. Okay, okay. And I got ended up getting into oils, because that was the most confusing area. So there was a study I read it said Omega six is an essential nutrient. Yeah, I heard you say that in the introduction. Omega six has any central nutrient. And the very next study I read says Omega six gives you cancer and kills you. And I'm going, what the hell? How can I be you know it, you have to have it, and then you get killed by it. It's like there must be something wrong here. And it was that that made me look deeper into how oils are made. And out of that came the quote that you read at the beginning, more health damage is done by damaged oils. More health problems come from damaged oils than any other part of nutrition and more health benefits will come from making the oil change your body needs from damaged oils to oils made with health in mind.

Lisa Beres 24:57

Okay, that's a soundbite for this whole entire interview.

Udo Erasmus 25:00

I already gave that soundbite. And so then it was like, okay, then the year after I got poisoned, I got poisoned in 1980. 1981 Is it was established that not only Omega six is essential, but omega three is also essential by that same definition. And 99% of the population does not get enough for omega three for optimum health. And every cell in your body needs it. And I had an epiphany. I was like, Oh my God, if we could make oil Oh, the other thing was, oils are the most sensitive of our nutrients. They're easily damaged by light by oxygen. And by heat. They need a lot of care. They need more care than any other nutrient. We give them less care than any other nutrients. We throw them in a frying pan. We're like punch in heat, damage them and turn them into smoke. Right. So knowing all of that said, Oh, my God, if we could make oils with health in mind, so they're not damaged by light, oxygen heat. And we could bring the Omega threes that are too low in 99% of the people back into the diet. Oh my god, we could help almost everybody. Yeah. And I got so excited. It's like, Oh, my God. I just found a purpose for life. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I moved in with my mother. When I was 41. To write a book, the book is now called Fats That Heal Fats That Kill and to design a message for making oils with health in mind, because if you know they're damaged by light, oxygen heat, and how do you create a very tight system, so that no light oxygen or heat can damage the oil from the time it's in the seed protected by nature's packaging, through the pressing and the filtering and the settling and the filling, till it's in a brown glass bottle. Because plastic leeches into oils, that's not good in a brand glass bottle in a box to cut out all the light and in the refrigerator in the factory. So you have to make a very tight system. And I've built that system. Wow. And so it's like the idea. And then I got put into the Hall of Fame in the Canadian Health Food Association for starting an industry. Wow, I was making oils with health in mind.

Lisa Beres 27:18

Did you run up against that sounds like an expensive process compared to how probably other people were doing that? Did you come up against that? Like, oh, these processes are pricey, and people aren't going to value? The glass bottles, even though they're required. I don't want to pay that extra amount. We are where the customer is like, willing.

Udo Erasmus 27:38

You know what? You it's a question you ask is in the state I was in? That was a completely irrelevant question. Yeah. And it never occurred to me to ask it. Okay, good. It was so unfired for oh my god, we could help so many people. Yeah, we started on a shoestring. We didn't have any money. Wow. I wrote the book, Living off my mother. Right. That's how I got that done. And I designed the method on paper. Because at all I had no money. Right, right. But the buzz was there. Yeah. You know, I was excited. I was on fire. Well, when you get on fire for something. Yeah. A lot of things start to happen.

Lisa Beres 28:19

Yeah, that's right. We just did a conference this weekend called Success Leadership Summit quantum vibes. It's all about tapping into your quantum energy and potential and yeah, like nothing's impossible when you align. Yeah. And

Udo Erasmus 28:31

so we started on a shoestring and we start set up in a place above a butcher shop, downtown Vancouver.

Lisa Beres 28:39

A butcher shop.

Udo Erasmus 28:41

And veggie wieners. You know, they soy bean wieners, Yves was the guy who started that, and he had just vacated that place. So we inherited that place. And then we bought a small machine. And then we built the system. And we just started from nothing. Wow, we literally and then flax oil is the richest source of Omega three of any of the seed oils. Okay. And it's also the most sensitive because omega three is five times more sensitive to damage by light oxygen, he didn't make a six. Okay, so we said okay, if we can make flax oil with health mind, and if we can do that and pull it off, than any other oil we'd ever want to make with health in mind would be a piece of cake.

Lisa Beres 29:24

So easy, right?

Udo Erasmus 29:25

We did the hardest oil first.

Lisa Beres 29:27

Nice. Does flaxseed have omega six also?

Udo Erasmus 29:30

It has about 14% Omega six, okay. And about 57% Omega three, okay. It's very high in three, low and six. Okay. And then we started going out and telling the story and created a buzz and in two years, flaxseed oil became the second highest selling oil in the health food industry where we were active. In two years, and literally everybody wanted to work with us.

Lisa Beres 29:57

And you'd ever heard of flaxseed oil before that, right? I mean, I had never heard of it growing up.

Udo Erasmus 30:01

In that time there was something called linseed oil, which was not made with health in mind and linseed oil was usually used for protecting furniture because it crosslinks with oxygen. Yeah, and light and then protects the furniture. Right? It smelled has a paint smell when you use it that way.

Lisa Beres 30:17

I think it's used in flooring too. Isn't it linseed oil? Yeah. In linoleum, linoleum. Yeah.

Udo Erasmus 30:23

You made out of that.

Lisa Beres 30:24

Yeah. What is story? Yeah.

Udo Erasmus 30:28

And then people, everybody wanted to work with us. And we did a road trip in 1988. Because we didn't have any money in a van without air conditioning. Hottest months, by August, half a year and a half of September. Through the US. 101 days. 85 cities. Wow. Five states and 17,000 miles by road. Ah, cool. Everybody who would listen to us about it.

Lisa Beres 30:52

I want to see the movie on this.

Ron Beres 30:56

It was so hot. Did you have refrigeration there to hold some of the samples? Well, how do you manage that?

Udo Erasmus 31:00

No we didn't take samples. We take the samples. He told the story. And then I told the story. And then the guy who was my driver, I slept on the floor of the van. He had a he'd built himself bunkered across the back, our clothes were in a in on a broomstick. Inside the double doors of the van, right. And every couple of days when we get completely hot and sweaty and sticky. We would walk into a Marriott Hotel like we owned it. And we would go and clean up in the showers and wash our clothes and wring them out in the showers and get back into the van and continue to.

Lisa Beres 31:37

Crazy how many guys in the van to just him and me. Okay.

Udo Erasmus 31:41

Yeah, we did the whole thing on raw vegetables. Because we noticed as soon as we hit the road because we're literally working all day driving all night, we noticed that if we ate carbs, we got tired. And if we ate meat, we felt heavy. Yeah. And so we said, okay, you know what? We didn't have a refrigeration. We didn't have air conditioning. We didn't have anything. So all we did was picked up raw vegetables and much dry vegetables.

Lisa Beres 32:08

Oh my gosh.

Udo Erasmus 32:09

We had no facility for that. And you know what? We were so on fire. Yeah, I lowered this thing that was possible. I don't remember ever feeling like I was working. Oh, that's beautiful. And I had no business background. And I set standards right and left. One of the standards was everybody wanted to distribute flexure. So I would do an interview with them. Wow. And the interview would be very short sometimes. So first question was, do you have refrigeration in your location? If the answer was yes, then I would pass them off to Rhys the driver who to see if they could make a business deal. Yeah. Okay. And if they said no, I have a second question. And you get one. Are you willing to bring it in? Yeah. If they said yes, I would say tell us when you've got it. And if they said no, I would say this is a good time to end the interview. How? We were not willing to compromise our standards. Yeah. Because the oil should be refrigerated. You get about two weeks without refrigeration. Maximum. Oh, maximum

Lisa Beres 33:15

I was gonna say. So the sensitivity with the oil is not just in the manufacturing process. It's also when it gets to your house, right? Yeah.

Udo Erasmus 33:21

So the oil is refrigerated in the stores. You said it at Whole Foods? Yeah, it's in the brown glass bottle in a box in the fridge in the supplement section in the stores.

Lisa Beres 33:32

Okay, that's where you'll find it. Okay, great. Yeah. And so it's in the fridge.

Udo Erasmus 33:35

And then when you take it home, you refrigerate it at home, and you add it to food after the foods come off the heat source. Put it on cook foods. Oh isn't anything but you never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever use it for free. Because the better it is for your health. The more chemically active it is and the more it will get damaged when you put it in the fridge.

Lisa Beres 33:55

Okay, and you can tell Can't you when the oil has been damaged it'll it'll smell rancid correct?

Udo Erasmus 34:01

Well, you could smell it but if the food turns brown, or yellow, if it goes from green to yellow, you've already wrecked molecules to brown more wreck mark if it's black more wreck molecule as it turns into smoke. You really wrecked it.

Lisa Beres 34:16

Ingesting.

Udo Erasmus 34:17

And that's how we wreck our food and that's how we make ourselves sick. Right? And we use oils to do it and the oils turn into smoke too.

Lisa Beres 34:24

Would you say that for all oils? Udo so cooking with any oil. Is it no no. Yes. Even coconut Well, I know coconut does it has the low.

Udo Erasmus 34:33

Here's the kicker. Does the food turn brown? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. wreck the food.

Ron Beres 34:39

Even an air fryer?

Udo Erasmus 34:40

Yeah, what it will airfryer you don't have to use oil, right? Yeah, yeah.

But if you burn the food, you still wreck the food and create a toxic molecules, because these are molecules that are not present in nature. Nature's mandate for eating for every creature, you know, like the doctors and the politicians and the lawyers and the farmer. They didn't invent health. Oh, yeah, okay just invent stuff to make money on, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Nature. Nature invented health life invented health in nature. Every creature that eats eats all its food fresh, whole, raw, organic, local. Yeah, probably sun ripe. But not That's not always true. Yeah. And for humans, probably more plant and animal based. Because when we were hunters with rocks, we came home without meat almost all the time. And the vegetable.

Lisa Beres 35:33

Hey we're vegan. You're speaking our language. Ron and I are vegans. Eight years.

Udo Erasmus 35:37

Vegetable don't run away and they don't fight back and they're easy to hunt down. That's right.

Lisa Beres 35:42

I have a funny story. I'm Ron, and I feed wildlife. Not all of it. But we have our ones that we feed and squirrels is one of them. And we believe them walnuts. And this bag. I thought it wasn't that old, but maybe it had just been open. And I did think it had a strange odor. Not like nauseating. I just noticed it and I put the nuts out for the squirrel. They come right up to me now. It's really adorable. And she takes it and she sniffs it and she drops it down. And then she goes to the next one. And she does the same thing. And I'm like, oh my god Ron. This walnut is clearly bad. And I didn't even know it. Like their sensitivity is so much stronger than ours. Right that she knew that. And then one time my mom and I were at a little beach shack here in Orange County having veggie burgers. And I got a gluten free bun and my mom got a regular bun and my mom was throwing the pieces of the bun to the squirrels. I know you're not supposed to do that. But she did. And then I joined in and threw a piece of my gluten free bread and the score came up and smelled it dropped it back down. It wouldn't eat gluten free bread.

Udo Erasmus 36:41

Well, yeah, and margarin have been put on window sills and stayed there for three years. No creature would eat. Yeah, that's true. That was also in California. That was in Petaluma.

Lisa Beres 36:52

Yeah, it's kind of creepy. I've seen that with the ants. And yeah.

Udo Erasmus 36:54

So you asked if it's the oil available in capsules? Yes, it is. Okay, that's for travelers and we recommend six capsules a day. Okay, but when you're at home, you should use the bottled oil because it's 1/3. The price I'll catch it capsulation is expensive. And you actually optimum is much bigger than that optimum is one to two to three to four tablespoons depending on your weight. Okay, in winter, when it's called a tablespoon per 50 pounds of body weight per day, okay, and it's somewhere when it's hot, maybe half or two thirds of that.

Lisa Beres 37:27

Okay, so those capsules do they have to be refrigerated also?

Udo Erasmus 37:31

The capsules don't have to be refrigerated. But the oil does.

Lisa Beres 37:35

Okay, that's what I got.

Udo Erasmus 37:36

The oil after it comes off the heat, okay. Compatible with every food that you eat, with fruit with vegetables with starch with protein. Okay, they enhance flavors and improve the absorption of oil soluble nutrients. That's if you eat whole foods. Yeah, those will be in Whole Foods. And you want to take as much as it takes to make your skin soft and velvety.

Lisa Beres 37:59

So how long would it take if you're having dry skin or issues like that? How long would it take after starting the flaxseed protocol?

Udo Erasmus 38:06

It depends. The feedback we've gotten some people notice within hours. Oh, wow. On some people might take close to a month. It depends how much you take. But it also depends on how observant you are. A lot of people don't notice a lot of things about themselves.

Lisa Beres 38:23

They need to be sidelined, denial. Wrinkles are coming people.

Udo Erasmus 38:29

Oh yeah, you're really spoiling somebody's day here.

Lisa Beres 38:34

They need flaxseed.

Udo Erasmus 38:36

Anyway, so you add them to food after they come off the heat. You can cook put them in hot, cold, warm foods with anything. And you want to take whatever it takes to make your skin soft, smooth and velvety. Now why is that skin gets the last and loses them first. Because they have such important functions in your inner organs. Hmm, nature prioritizes getting it to the inner organs and only if that's all taken care of. They show up in your skin. Right? It's how you measure optimum. If your skin is dry, you need more of the right kind of oil.

Lisa Beres 39:10

It's really good for your eyes right? It lubricate.

Udo Erasmus 39:13

Yeah, when people get dry eyes, the oils help both of them together is better than just one of them alone. Yeah.

Lisa Beres 39:19

Then you think of like, typical, you know, we think oh, I have dry skin put lotion on. I mean, I know that's like very much what people would commonly reach for and you don't think about doing that from the inside?

Udo Erasmus 39:30

Yeah, the best way to oil your skin is from within.

Ron Beres 39:33

Oh, okay. Oh, like that. Okay, so let's discuss the pink elephant in the room. A lot of people talk about healthy fats and oils these days. What do you think they're missing? And what do they have? Right?

Udo Erasmus 39:48

Ever since I've been doing this work for over 40 years now. I started in 1980 and flax oil started in 1986. So I've been working with this longtime by the way I became Omega 6 efficient on flax seed oil, because the array it has so much tree and so little six that it crowds up the six, because three inverted in the same system. So if you get too much at one at crowds with the other, if you get other crowds at the one, that takes us back to omega six oils, most people get 10, or 20, or maybe even 50 times more omega six than omega three. So we get way too little omega three, like we're down to 1:16. So what people got in 1850, and we've doubled, tripled, quadrupled, or maybe even more, our omega six intake. So we've really skewed the ratio, flax oil is the only oil that can make your omega six deficient, because it has more omega three than omega six, like four times more. And you can't go higher than maybe twice as rich in omega three and omega six. That's what we do in the blend out and I became omega six defficient. I got dry eyes, skipped heartbeats arthritis, like pain, and my finger joints, and thin papery skin. Those are classic omega six deficiency.

Lisa Beres 41:00

So interesting.

Udo Erasmus 41:01

They fixed it by eating sunflower seeds, which have a lot of omega six and Omega three, to bring the ratio back and out of that camp, I think we need to make a blend that has the right ratio, so that one isn't crowded out the other isn't crowded out. That's made with health in mind. And that has enough Omega six, also made with health in mind to replace the Omega sixes that are damaged. So now let me go to your pink elephant question. Ever since I've started working, there have always been people who've said, oils are poisonous. seed oils are toxic, Omega sixes are toxic. Don't use seed oils and Omega sixes. And there was actually a guy I would call him and nutcase in Oregon, who basically said if you get enough, B vitamins, you don't need essential fatty acids, essential fatty acids are not essential. And when he said that there were 6000 studies that disagreed with him. Wow. And he actually came out and he bad mouthed what I was doing. And he told people that I was in bed with the oil industry. And now there's some people saying flax oil is bad. And enormous amount of marketing money was put into it into propping up and oil that's bad for you. Oh, wow. But that's completely those people who write those books, not one of them has ever talked to me. They don't actually know what we're doing. They're making assumptions. Right? And they only got half the story. All right. So here's the half of the story is you should not use damaged oils, damaged oils damage your health. You're blaming Omega sixes, which are essential for every cell in your body, and are turned into hormone like regulating substances with function in every one of your body's 60 trillion cells. They're blaming the oil, when they should be blaming the damage, the damage. And the reason for that is they haven't done their homework, right? They didn't have that thing. Omega sixes are essential Omega sixes cause cancer kill you. They haven't had a moment like that. Or if they did, they didn't say I need to get to the bottom of why this contradiction. Yeah, so they're blaming and because nobody talks about the damage done to us the industry has never talked about when you take an oil, and you treat it the way the industry treats it and make a colorless, odorless, tasteless oil that they sell in plastic bottles, you actually treated with sodium hydroxide, which is a corrosive base, then with phosphoric acid, which is very corrosive acid, then you bleach him to get the color out because the color molecules attract light, which then damages the oil, take those out, then the oil goes rancid and smells bad, then you have to heat it to Frank temperature to boil off our damaged molecule. And that's the harsh processes on very sensitive molecules. In the process, you get a half to 1% of the molecule heals damaged, right change from how nature made them to something that never existed in nature. When you put those in your body, wherever that molecule goes, it will occupy space in your body, but will not be able to do the work that is supposed to be done in that space because it's the wrong molecule. Right? Yeah. That's why they're toxic. They interfere with what's supposed to be going on wherever they land in your body. And that could be anywhere, right? So when I came across the contradiction, I went looked deeper. And that's what I found out the damage done by processing. People who write those books and there's probably been 40 in the time that I've been around the right now there's about four of them. Very active and a lot of people are repeating this bullshit from people who didn't do their homework.

Lisa Beres 44:51

Is that Udo. Why you're hearing so much about seed oils right now? Not flaxseed really. I haven't but those oils I rattled off I noted the column The Hateful Eight, they actually have a name for him The Hateful Eight, the oils that you see in all the processed foods. And all of that is, are you saying the same thing about that they're getting a bad rap because of how they're treated and cooked with and managed? Yep, you're actually not bad oils in their core.

Udo Erasmus 45:17

Whereas if you get those oils, by eating the seeds, they come from, right, organic seeds. Yeah, like sunflower seeds, fresh seeds not burned not roasted or salted. Yeah, fresh seeds, the oil in those Omega sixes, and those are essential nutrients. Okay, and the Omega threes in those, if any, they're not so many seeds that have a lot of omega threes in them, okay, are essential nutrients. But when you damage them, they're not essential nutrients anymore. Now, they're toxic molecules.

Lisa Beres 45:48

Right when they're bake and cooked and fried.

Udo Erasmus 45:50

You're taking in an essential nutrient. And you're changing it into a toxic molecule. Yeah, right. Right. So that's what should be blamed for the problems caused by seed oils, right? And the seed oils are all damaged. So a half to 1% damage. When I found that out. After I looked deeper, I called the American oil chemists society. They're the umbrella organization for the oil industry. And I said, I want to talk to one of your researchers. They put him on the line. And I said to him, so I have a question, you know, that the oil is damaged by the processing? Why do you do that? Yeah. And he said to me, well, one of the reasons we do that is because we can get rid of half of the pesticides in the oil by heating the oil to Frank temperature. It's like you fry the well for 30 minutes to get rid of half of the pesticide. But in my head, I'm going Oh, you mean the other 50% of the pesticide stays in there. I didn't even know. All right, at that point. At that time. I didn't even know they were pesticides in oil. Right? Because nobody ever talked about it. Yeah. But I said to him, so why don't you start with organically grown seeds? Yeah. Did you don't have that problem?

Lisa Beres 47:01

Money?

Udo Erasmus 47:02

No. Silence. He didn't say anything. And I waited. It was like, it was probably three seconds. But it seemed like it seemed like an eternity right? On the phone. And then when he came back, he was really angry. He says, I don't know what your problem is. The oil is 99%. Good. It's only 1% damage. And if you got 99% on an exam, you'd be damn happy, wouldn't you? Think I'm backing off? I say well, maybe I'm overreacting. It's only 1%. But I wasn't impressed with the 99 because I got 99 and a half percent on my pesticide exam. Right? And occasionally, I got 100% in my genetics exams, when the next best mark was 62. Oh, okay. Because I loved the topic, and I was so focused on it, and I just, that's great. I backed off. So then I said, Okay, well, how do I find out? Is this a problem? Or is it not a problem? So I said, Okay, it's I like doing questions. You know, if you ask good questions, you get good answers. So here's my question. If I have a tablespoon of an oil that is 1% damaged by the processing, how many damaged molecules will be in that tablespoon? Have you heard this? Have you heard this? No. Okay, so I want you each to guess how many damaged might you you have no basis for making the guests. I understand that. But it's really good for your audience to see what happens.

Ron Beres 48:25

Okay, Lisa? Ladies first.

Lisa Beres 48:27

You have one tablespoon.

Udo Erasmus 48:29

One tablespoon of an oil that is 1% damaged? How many damaged molecules will be in that tablespoon.

Lisa Beres 48:35

100,000.

Udo Erasmus 48:37

Okay, good. Perfect.

Ron Beres 48:38

I'm gonna go back. I'm going I'll say a billion even though..

Udo Erasmus 48:41

1 billion. Yeah. Okay. So 100,000 has five zeros, correct? Yes. And a billion has nine zeros, correct? Yes. So your highest estimate here is 10. zeros to short a number. So if you have a 1% damaged oil, a tablespoon of it will contain 60 quintillion damage molecules. Wow. And 60 quintillion damage molecules is more than a million damaged molecules for every one of your body's 60 trillion cells. Ah, okay, that's in one tablespoon. Wise people use two to four tablespoons a day. Plus, you get pesticides in there plus you get plastic leaching into the soil.

Lisa Beres 49:30

Unless. It's disclaimer, unless it's like kudos were to USDA certified organic. Right?

Udo Erasmus 49:36

Unless it's made with health in mind right? Yeah, right. But the industry doesn't make it.

Lisa Beres 49:41

Because I think people still don't get that Udo people are still like organic. It's you know, it's expensive. Why do I need it because it guarantees that your food isn't processed.

Udo Erasmus 49:51

I'll get back to that in a second. Yeah, flax oil cost four times more than the usual oils that people bought when we started four times more. You know, not a single person ever questioned the price. We made it with health in mind. We charged what it costs. So we could make a small profit the profits not great, right? But we bust it. We were on fire. We were excited. We were charged, you know, and people heard the story. And the enthusiasm is really what sold it.

Lisa Beres 50:23

Oh, yeah. Right. Your belief in it. And your knowledge. I mean, honestly, this is like we aren't taught this in school. Unless you're, you know, going to college for nutrition.

Udo Erasmus 50:33

Even then wasn't because the curriculum is written by the pharmaceutical industry. Yeah, yeah. Or the food industry. Right. Yeah. growth industry. Heinz, you know, the ketchup people? Yeah. In 1937. They wrote a nutrition book for the nutrition faculties at universities.

Lisa Beres 50:49

It's crazy. Wow. Hi. It's loaded with high fructose corn syrup. People if you don't know, Heinz ketchup, yeah.

Udo Erasmus 50:55

And Heinz ketchup, you know, they said, you know, tomatoes, you can't digest too bad. You can't absorb the lutein in tomatoes, the red pigment, if you don't cook it? Well, they said that because they cook it to make ketchup. But if you eat your tomato with oils, the lutein dissolves in the if you chew it up properly, it absorbs perfectly well.

Lisa Beres 51:19

Yeah, and even doctors I, we have two of our closest friends are doctors. They said, Oh, yeah, they were lucky if they got one semester or one class, just one class on nutrition. So.

Udo Erasmus 51:30

Well, yeah. Because the Rockefellers wrote curriculum for the medical profession, and they were selling unnatural products that can be patented. And they were then based on petrochemicals because they own Standard Oil. Yeah, right. And then just all of the alternate practitioners, so they were naturopath and chiropractors. They said they were all quacks. And anybody who didn't do that, you know. And then the other thing is, they called it health care. When it's actually disease management. They don't practice health care. Yeah. Hygiene is health care, right? Nutrition is health care, eating in line with nature, or eating in line with nature and your nature. Yeah. southcare. There are a lot of levels to that. Oh, yeah. Eating fresh, whole raw, organic. Because it's healthier.

Ron Beres 52:19

Right? Absolutely.

Udo Erasmus 52:20

But frying is not.

Lisa Beres 52:22

Frying is that? Are you a vegan? Are you a raw foodist? Are you a mixture?

Udo Erasmus 52:26

I have done everything under the sun. We grew up mostly on plants, because we lived on a farm without electricity. And my father would have to drive it to town. 15 miles, and then back. Every Friday, bring a piece of meat. So we had meat once a week. Okay, when I was at university, I tried all kinds of stuff. Now I'm pretty much plant based. Yeah. And I do it not because I want to be vegan, although there are definitely benefits to the environment. But I do it because I feel best that well, math. Yeah. And I've really have been paying attention to what my body tells me. Yeah.

Lisa Beres 53:04

Which is really what we all should do. I mean, it's always coming down to how do you feel? How does that food make you feel? Like you said, Do you feel sluggish and like you need to fall asleep or unbutton your pants after you ate something? That's probably a sign that it's not good?

Udo Erasmus 53:16

Right? Yeah, you're not following the right symptoms?

Lisa Beres 53:21

Yeah, yeah. When we ran an I did a raw vegan cleanse. And were utterly shocked at how much energy we had. Because we weren't told that that was one of the benefits. We just did it because we thought it's good for you. But we didn't really know for how long? Well, we did it a couple times two weeks at a time. Yeah. And I love the food to be honest. And I gosh, I would go to the gym and do a workout and feel like I could do another one. Like it's so much energy, but it is very strict and it takes a lot of time to cook and prepare. It's very time consuming, I'd say so it's not for everybody. We're vegan and we're pretty much Whole Foods but full raw. That's tough. I like hot food sometimes. And I think that my body needs that heat sometimes. So Ron likes his French fries.

Ron Beres 54:09

Probably shouldn't have french fries but I do enjoy french fries for sure, right?

Lisa Beres 54:13

Occasionally.

Udo Erasmus 54:14

You know why? Because you got them with mother love when you were kid you need to keep the mother love and you need to throw out the fries. Oh, is that mother's wham bet we're bamboozled into cooking with oil. We used to call that frying because the industry promoted it because they wanted to sell more oil. Yeah. When I was a kid cooking meant cooking and water. And the other thing was called fry. Wow No everybody when they say cooking they mean fry. Yeah, they do. Yeah, the word has changed all by advertising input from the oil industry. Yeah, that is so crazy. Never been good for you. So you need to separate the mother love from the bad habit she taught you and to get get rid

Lisa Beres 54:58

of the bad habit? No, but no That's no on a positive note.

Udo Erasmus 55:01

If he doesn't do that, then just make sure his insurance is paid up.

Lisa Beres 55:06

For sure, okay, sorry. airfryer. Now we do like fries with no oil actually.

Ron Beres 55:10

So what we just learned that instead of the food is damaged.

Udo Erasmus 55:14

But if you still burn the food, then you're still doing damage to the food, which will then do damage to you.

Lisa Beres 55:20

We don't burn the fries. They're golden, right?

Udo Erasmus 55:22

Golden is in the direction of brown.

Lisa Beres 55:24

Sorry Ron I tried to help you. Right, right, right.

Udo Erasmus 55:29

Because the potato when it's fresh cut is white. Okay. I'm just saying I'm just here to tell you the truth.

Lisa Beres 55:36

I'm so glad I threw a run under the bus. Because listeners, you've heard him throw me under the bus before so today was my day.

Ron Beres 55:41

He's a french fry truther.

Udo Erasmus 55:43

Well, you know, we can all have a raw whole food party under the bus.

Lisa Beres 55:46

Ah let's do it. Bring the bells. Let's do a tour. Let's do a bus tour. And calibrate. Okay, who do I gotta leave listeners with this question. And I know we're getting close on time. But it's so important. Can you share with our listeners a little about mental health for modern times, and how we can keep our Power and Light no matter how dark, confusing and chaotic the world becomes. And this is like

Udo Erasmus 56:09

I'll make it very simple. But I have to tell you, if you want to get into human nature and total health and mental health, we got to do another show. Okay, there's so much to do. And let me tell you, the short thing is, you have to be the light in your sphere, you have to be the light, that light is always beautiful. Is always perfect health is always filled with love. Something in you loves you unconditionally. 24/7 lifelong. Okay. But your focus needs to go there, if you want to feel it. And usually our focus is in here or out there. Yeah, right. Then you say, Oh my God, oh, look at what they're doing. Oh, god, that's really bad. You see all this stuff, you know, negative, negative, negative, negative, here's what I can do. I can tell you that life is always incredibly beautiful, and an incredible gift. And there is no gift like it for human beings. And the world sucks a lot of the time.

Lisa Beres 57:14

We just got out of the Buddha mode.

Udo Erasmus 57:16

Because we get out of Buddha mode and then do really stupid things. We're doing stupid things because we're discontent. And we're discontent because we're disconnected. Heartache Begins With disconnection from self, not with somebody dumping you, that's a trigger. But the cause is your own disconnection from yourself. Interesting, right? But I'm telling you, this is like, we could probably do too.

Lisa Beres 57:40

I'd love to do a show on I don't think we've done a show on that. And that's so important. You know, thank you for sharing that.

Udo Erasmus 57:45

So mental health, you know, what is mental health? Well, if your life is always whole, and always healthy, and your mind can't go into your life, although your life, support your mind, right? Life is the energy behind your thinking, and you're doing right. But what you're thinking does not affect the energy. The energy is always free of that. That's why if you know how to go there, and behind the energy that is unconditional love is an awareness that is all encompassing peace that fills the entire universe. That is not affected by anything, not the explosions, not the galaxies explosion, not your anger, you know, not your diarrhea, it's not affected by anything. Right, everything is taking place in this container, in a container of peace.

Lisa Beres 58:34

Your own individual container.

Udo Erasmus 58:37

So the piece is not affected by anything going on in the world of change, right? And the love is not affected. And if you're inspired because you're feeling it, so then you're going to shine into the world. That's not affected either. It's when you lose your connection to that, that you start tripping on Jose did that oh, they should do that. Oh, why not? This? Oh, why am I so stupid? You know that all of your mental stuff. You know what, that's all made up. Somebody made it up. You made it there. My parents made it up or your culture made it up? You know, something made it up, right? And you're in a world of change where everything changes. And if you want constancy from change, that's never going to happen, because it's the nature of things to change to change. Yeah. embrace that change. It's the nature of things that don't change to not change. You want something that's calm and peaceful. You've got to go to that in you, which never changes.

Lisa Beres 59:31

Which is we talked about at the top before the show started. It's quiet. It's getting to that quiet place. Yeah, that meditation, that stillness.

Udo Erasmus 59:39

And by the way, all of the great masters talked about that. Yeah. Because they did that. They did their stillness practice, they connected to it. And then they spoke from what they experience, because that's who you really are in there. Or if you're not the body, like if I say to you, hey, whose body is that? Most people would say it's my body. You say This is my body, then you've just told me you're not the boss, you're the owner. And you are the owner of the bodies, your properties and who are you as owner of the body? For Life owns the body. And life is that energy? Yeah, you are that energy. And when your life and body part company, your body goes flat, permanently, and the life you go with the life. Yeah, so beautiful. And the life doesn't just disappear. Energy is something, it has a nature, you can't just like, vaporize the nature.

Lisa Beres 1:00:29

Right? Your soul, your spirit that's immortal.

Udo Erasmus 1:00:32

So if you're living in a world that's overwhelming and anxiousness, producing, and too much change, and too little control, and all of that, that's pretty much where the issues come from. It's because you're not connecting yourself. Your awareness, your focus to where your foundation is that and then you go back and forth was all of the things that changes you like, Oh, my God, oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's driving me crazy. Yeah, of course, it because it's crazy. It will drive you crazy. Yeah. And it's going too fast. It's changing too fast. And you don't like the things people are doing. And then you have something to complain about. And it's this one thing after another, but here in the middle of all of this, here you are, in perfect peace, unconditionally empowered and loved, and shining, right. And so literally, you can say, You know what, I'm not sick, but my body is. I'm not mentally ill, but my mind is going nuts. But I'm not the mind and I'm not the body. I am the energy, I am the awareness. I am the peace, I am the Love. This is the nature of every human being. And imagine that eight people took the time and did the homework to come back to the thing they got connected from because in the womb, you were connected to them. You were in meditation for nine months in the most boring environment imaginable. But you weren't bored. You're in bliss. You were in light.

Lisa Beres 1:02:00

There's a school. I think it's an Ohio Maha Rashi. University.

Udo Erasmus 1:02:04

Oh, my Russia University. Yeah.

Lisa Beres 1:02:06

Where they teach meditation, right. And there's also, I believe, elementary school there where the kids like, they meditate. They meditate every day. And there's like, yeah, there's no punishment. There's Oh, meditate and think about you know, that or whatever.

Udo Erasmus 1:02:22

Yeah, well, that's the best use of a time out would be to meditate and meditate. Right? Yeah. To reconnect to, to that beautiful place. There's a guy who wrote a book called Hear Yourself, hear yourself, how to find peace in a noisy world. If you like reading, you should get it. Thank you for that. So how to find peace in a noisy world?

Lisa Beres 1:02:44

Okay, we got to do a whole show on this because it's so important. And there's so many people suffering right now, you know, with the rates of depression are skyrocketing. Suicide, sadly, is skyrocketing among teens, and then the political arena and the worldly events about and like you said at the beginning, they've always been there. It's not new. Yeah, you know, it's not new, this chaos and destruction. And that has been going on for all time. So it's our job to maintain our bubble like you said, exactly.

Udo Erasmus 1:03:12

And the point of why people are committing suicide. Why is that because they don't feel their life is worth living. But at nobody's helped them to find that. They don't know that there's something inside of them that is so gloriously beautiful, that if they could find their way to that, they would say, Oh, my God, this is the most incredible thing. I'm a human being, I'm alive. God, I get to have sadness, and I get to have joy, and I get to have babies, and I get to have all these things, right? Oh, my God. And I only get it for maybe 100 years if I'm lucky.

Ron Beres 1:03:46

But not French fries.

Lisa Beres 1:03:48

We don't get french fries. Yeah, but they get oil they get flack.

Udo Erasmus 1:03:54

French are hell. So and then you didn't exist for 4 billion years. Now you're here for 100 years, then you're gonna not exist for building it. I don't know how long, right? Maybe this is the time? Yeah, maybe this is the holiday and make the most of it. But how do you do that? What if you were fully present? With all of your being in the space your body occupied? What would you find there? Yeah, you find everything. Everything you're looking for out there? Is actually you have and yeah,

Lisa Beres 1:04:27

And when we all do that, we light up the world. We inspire others.

Udo Erasmus 1:04:32

We're 8 billion people are living that way are doing their homework, this way to be a completely transformed late everyone because we're living out of our discontent into the world. So we do destructive things. Yeah, yeah. But when you're when you're living out of peace, and that you just basically live into a world of peace where you don't hammer people, right. When you're living into a world of peace.

Lisa Beres 1:04:53

You don't want to break your energy becomes too important. You don't want anything to disrupt that because that peace is so valuable, right? That it's like we have, it's the most important thing.

Udo Erasmus 1:05:02

Even the wars take place in peace? Everything takes place in peace. Peace is everywhere. But you only know that if you connect to it in the core of your being, right, so the Warriors on the battlefield, there's peace within them, peace around them, peace between them peace above and below them. But their focus is you're my enemy. I'm going to kill you. You're my enemy, I'm gonna kill you. And then perfect peace. They kill each other. Now, wow. If they knew, if they tapped into that peace, they would put down their weapons. They'd say, Hey, you're a human being. I'm a human being the fact that you're alive and human is good enough for me. How can we help each other make our lives better?

Lisa Beres 1:05:41

Right, because they're fighting someone else?

Udo Erasmus 1:05:43

How can we make sure that our kids are getting to live in peace?

Lisa Beres 1:05:46

We're all the same at the core. I mean, you know, yeah.

Udo Erasmus 1:05:49

It's not complicated. And it's only a matter of doing the homework individual.

Lisa Beres 1:05:54

Yeah, do your homework and get some flaxseed oil. Okay, well, thank you Udo for being with us today. This was so enlightening and amazing. Friends, be sure to snag your free gift. The first draft of Udo's new upcoming book, your body needs an oil change. I love that title. As well as a bonus video of course you guys can get this for free just head to Udo and that's edoerasmus.com/healthyhomehacks where you can learn bad oils out good oils in if you do it right. You will look better and feel better think better, do better and be better. And friends.

Speaker 1 1:06:12

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Udo Erasmus 1:06:50

And I'll be back. Yeah yeah.

Lisa Beres 1:07:02

Thank you.

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