56: Wireless Wakeup Call: Tips to Protect Yourself

Narrator

How would you like to improve your health and keep your family safe? You're listening to that healthy home hacks podcast where we firmly believe enjoying optimal health shouldn't be a luxury. Healthy Home authorities and husband and wife team Ron and Lisa will help you create a home environment that will level up your health. It's time to hear from the experts. listen in on honest conversations and gain the best tips and advice. If you're ready to dive in and improve your well-being and increase your energy, you're in the right place. Alright, here are your hosts, Baubiologists, authors, media darlings, vicarious vegans and avocado aficionados. Ron and Lisa Beres.

Ron Beres

Welcome to today's show. Your listeners, I've got a question for you. You use your cell phone more than 17 minutes a day. You're honest, be honest, I'm guessing 100% of you do. And you're not going to want to miss today's program that's focused on the safety of cell phones and Wi Fi, otherwise known as electromagnetic radiation. EMR emits from everyday devices that make our lives fast, efficient, convenient. But at what cost to your health?

Lisa Beres

Wireless radiation. It's all around us. From Wi Fi routers and cell phones, cordless phones, wireless earpieces, wireless headsets, computers, laptops, monitors, smart TVs, baby monitors, smart meters and gaming devices to the 1000s of towers stretched across the US that transmit and receive signals.

Ron Beres

In 2011 wireless radiation was classified as a possible human carcinogen by the World Health Organization. A study published in November revealed that 1,000 or more hours of cellphone use, which equates to 17 minutes a day over 10 years is associated with 60% increase in brain tumor risk, especially on the side of the head where people hold their phones.

Lisa Beres

Yep, that combined with the National Toxicology Program�s landmark 10-year, $30 million study. If you haven't heard of it, the 2019 results were mind blowing. After rats and mice were exposed to cell phone radiation for two years, scientists found clear evidence of cancer in the male rats, heart cells, some evidence of increased brain gliomas (brain cancer), adrenal gland tumors, DNA damage in the brains of male and female rats and mice, and lower birth weights of female rats offspring. Yet, for 25 years, the FCC has refused to revise the regulations that were created back in 1996. To determine what level of radiation from cell phone use is considered safe. Today, we have more phones, more powerful phones, more wireless radiation, and more research. Yet the FCC continues to ignore these critical findings.

Ron Beres

And research also found that women who carry cell phones in their bra have elevated breast cancer risk.

Lisa Beres

Ladies don't do that. Please. The National Institutes of Health and the American Cancer Society funded a study in 2019 and 2020 at Yale University that found increased thyroid cancer among heavy cellphone users. So, while a 2019 lawsuit was filed, the US Court of Appeals of the DC Circuit ruled this past August that the FCC had to reexamine the research and determine if the regulations should be updated. But the court did not set a date for the FCC to comply, which means the commission could retain its old regulations indefinitely.

Ron Beres

Oh boy. But someone who's going to shed the light on this dark subject, including 5G is our special guest, R. Blank. R is a technologist, entrepreneur and writer. He is the CEO of Shield Your Body, which creates products that make it easy and affordable for people to reduce their exposure to wireless radiation from devices like cell phones and laptops. He, along with his father, Dr. Martin Blank, who by the way is one of the world's leading EMF scientists, co-authored Overpowered, widely regarded as one of the best books written on the science of health effects of EMF radiation. He is also the host of The Healthier Tech podcast.

Lisa Beres

This follows a 20-year career in software development for blue chip firms including Apple, NBC, Disney, Microsoft and more. R. has served on the affiliate side faculty at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and previously on the faculty of the University of Southern California Viterbi School of Engineering. R has an MBA in entrepreneurship from UCLA Anderson School of Management, and an undergraduate degree from Columbia University. Welcome to the show R!

R. Blank

Thanks, guys. That was quite an intro. It's a real pleasure to be here. Thank you very much.

Lisa Beres

Oh, thank you. We are so excited. We've been familiar with the work of your father and how revered he is in the industry. And a lot of people listening may or may not have heard of him. But we're going to dive so deep into this topic. And we just thank you for the work that you're doing and bringing this awareness.

R. Blank

Thank you. Yeah, right back after you both.

Ron Beres

But first things first. R, how did you get your name? How did you get one letter?

R. Blank

So, my father really liked crossword puzzles. So, word games were kind of his thing.

Lisa Beres

He would get along with your dad, Ron.

Ron Beres

Exactly. My dad loves crossword puzzles. But why are those like a special letter that has more impact than other letters?

R. Blank

I like to say, you know, when people asked me what R stands for, I say truth, justice and the American way.

Ron Beres

Oh, there you go. Okay, very good.

Lisa Beres

Just start calling me L, it's easier. I like, like it, R.

R. Blank

It should catch. The amount of paper we'd save is amazing.

Ron Beres

We'll get into the topic at hand. Can you explain what the scientifically established health effects of EMF and 5G are?

R. Blank

Okay, well, so Wow, that is a big question. Yeah. And you guys gave a really good overview in the introduction. And I think what it shows pretty clearly, and this is one of the things that really one of the takeaway, the big takeaways I had from the experience of working on overpowered of my father, but the science really shows is that EMF manifests with negative health outcomes in virtually every system in which those outcomes are measured. Right. So, we have multiple types of tumors, right? People talk about brain tumors the most, but as you pointed out in the intro, there's thyroid, there's breast, there's colorectal, there's lymphoma and leukemia. There's multiple types of tumors and cancers, but it's not just tumors and cancers, right. So you have infertility, you have some fertility, you have birth defects, you have rates of miscarriage, you have sleep disruption, melatonin interfering with melatonin production, you have higher rates of anxiety, you have immune system malfunction, both autoimmune disease as well as immunosuppressive behaviors. And it's not just in humans, right? You see similar outcomes when you measure these outcomes in nature. So, you see the impacts on trees and plants, you see impacts on bees and birds, whales, anything that relies on Magneto reception for navigation, turtles.

Ron Beres

Curiously, I'm sorry. You mentioned plants and trees and nature. Are there any studies offhand that, you know, have that go into that, because I'd be interested in knowing more about that?

R. Blank

Yeah, I don't have the memorized.

Ron Beres

Not to throw you off, but I just in general. What would be the ramification of damage done?

R. Blank

Okay, well, I mean, I can remember some of the outcomes, one that's been studied multiple times, is, for instance, trees that are located near cell towers or radio towers, you see much less leaf growth, much thinner growth than the trees that are further away from these towers. That is the type of thing that you can see there's a famous study when it was first produced. It wasn't a quote unquote, a study because it was by a group of school girls, so it was later replicated and peer reviewed by researchers. They put two sets of watercress seeds, one next to a Wi Fi router and one not next to a Wi Fi router. And the ones next to the Wi Fi router did not germinate. They did not grow. And the ones further away did again it became famous through the work of a group of school girls, but it was later replicated by real scientists and peer reviewed watercress. I don't know exactly why. But watercress is one of these types of plants that you see studied quite a bit when it comes to EMF.

Lisa Beres

Yeah, we talk a lot about energy on this podcast. We've had energy healers and frequency medicine doctors on here to talk about that. And obviously the Nikola Tesla's famous quote, �If you want to understand the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration� which is all around us. And it makes sense that we're all living organisms. Plants and trees and everything, pets, animals, wildlife is going to be affected by the energy frequencies of that. Can you tell our listeners what some of the biggest sources of EMF is today? I know everybody just thinks of their cell phone when they hear this topic, and I think they're not paying attention to all the other sources around them.

R. Blank

That is a great question because, you know, when you step back and the way I like to paint this picture for people, is to think about your bedroom, and it might not be the case with the two of you, but in General an average person, think about the bedroom, what is in that bedroom. And then think back to when you were a child, what was in that bedroom, most people today would have a mix of things like their phone, smart TV, a charging station, tablet, or an e reader, maybe smart alarm clock. I mean, you think about the variety of all of this technology. And then you think back to when you were a kid. And you know, when I was a kid, really the only thing in my room that emitted EMF was my alarm clock. So, you have this proliferation of sources of exposure in life that when you're experiencing in real time, it can be hard to appreciate, you know how each year it's growing. But when you take it all accumulated, right, you see the number of sources keeps growing more and more, more or less exponentially in the environment. And that's actually, one of the reasons we needed 5G, which we can get to in a little bit is because of the number of different sources. Now, for a lot of people, actually their cell phones may well be their biggest source of exposure, or one of the biggest sources of exposure, it depends a lot on several factors, but also how they use that piece of technology in their lives. So first off just a bit of context, there are cell phones are actually very high-power devices, right. They're designed to communicate over a span of many miles. And that's just the cell card, because most of them also have Wi Fi cards, they have Bluetooth cards, they have NFC chips, and possibly other forms of wireless connectivity built in each of these are additive, right? It's not like, you know, once you turn on Bluetooth, the cell phone turns off. So, these all formed together to form a really big source of EMF. And the thing with cell phones is that people are trained to just have them not only near them, but often on their person for extended periods of time, every day of their life. And so that's why I believe for many people, their cell phones are their biggest source of exposure. And there's a lot that they can do with well short of actually giving up their phones, to mitigate that significantly. But beyond that, a lot will depend on your life and your lifestyle. If you work in a high EMF office, there could be, you know, that could be a really big source for you. And a lot of people when I say that, you know, they'll think of computers in a white-collar office. But you know, for electrical industry workers, right, they have tremendous exposure exposures at the workplace. If you live in an area with a lot of cell towers, those could be significant. If you live in an apartment building, whenever you check your Wi Fi, and you see 50 networks available to you. Right, that could possibly be a pretty significant source. So, a lot of ways there are so many of these sources, I'll give you one more example just help illustrate the variety. It could be that when you sit down and watch TV at night, and you sit on your couch, that it's your refrigerator, which is behind the wall right behind you, that is your biggest source, because refrigerators are such massive sources of this stuff. And most people don't think about it.

Lisa Beres

For listeners who are like, wait a minute, uh, refrigerators are not wireless. We're talking about electromagnetic fields. Yeah, which includes electric fields and magnetic fields, and the wireless technology. So, I know we've done shows on this. But for people that are not really familiar, a little background there, these all affect us.

R. Blank

I'm really glad you pointed that out. So, as you both know, and I'm sure many, but perhaps not all of your listeners know, right? When we're talking about here with electromagnetic fields or EMF, they exist on what we refer to as a spectrum, right? Because there's a bunch of different types. And right in the middle of that spectrum, is visible light sunlight, then there's a whole bunch of forms of EMF with more energy than sunlight. We call those ionizing and everyone knows those are super dangerous, and even very, very, very low doses. Those would include X rays and gamma rays. And that's why, you know, when you get a dental X ray, they cover you in a lead jacket, and they leave the room, right? That's how they hide stuff. Yeah, they hide away. That's ionizing. Now there's a whole set of EMFs with less energy than visible light. And that's what we call non ionizing forms of EMF. And there's multiple types of those. And that's what we're generally talking about when we have this conversation. And these are the types that are emitted by human made technology. And so yes, like, you're right, when people think about this, they'll often think of cell phones and other wireless technologies. Those make use of what's called, you know, depending on who you're talking to, and when radio frequency or microwave, they're kind of used interchangeably, but they're also emitted by anything that runs on power. And that's referred to as elf or extremely low frequency. And yes, they're measured. You measure the electric field and the magnetic field components of that separately, but so yes, while you may not have a smart refrigerator, right, so your refrigerator isn't a source of Radio Frequency EMF, it is running on power, they tend to actually be very significant sources of EMF in people's homes, which is why you shouldn't have them up against a shared wall if possible, right? You don't want that on the other side of the head of your bed. Exactly, yeah. Are you in baby's nursery or anything like that? Or how about a hotel room or you're sharing the wall at the elevator, same magnetic fields, talk about getting a good night's sleep, increasingly as wireless because that's where the massive proliferation is happening. Human made EMF began entering our environment in about 1850, with the invention of the light bulb, so had nothing to do with wireless communication. At that time, it's all about the power grid. Technology has just gone so fast, like you said, as a child, like none of this existed, well, the wireless that we are so dependent on today. And our if you could also maybe elaborate a bit on the Fitbit, these trackers, these health trackers, I just feel like that's another source that people are just like, kind of connected to this technology, you know, all day tracking their steps. It's interesting, because it's supposed to be tracking health, but they don't realize the dangers that yeah, we noticed you're not wearing one. So that's probably a good sign. That's where one with a lot of my work, I take a very pragmatic approach, I would say more pragmatic than a lot of EMF advocates, I run a business. And so, I deal with real consumers. And that's all by way of saying, you know, I don't go around telling people not to use technology, I try to educate them on what the risks are. And you know how to use it more safely, and so that people can engage in this kind of cost benefit analysis of, you know, should I really use this piece of tech, how should I use it, how much of my life should it become. But when it comes to wearable technology, I take a much stronger kind of perspective. So that I think manifests most strongly with technology, like air pods and other Bluetooth headsets. These are devices that I strongly recommend people never use. When it comes to smartwatches that serve a health tracking function and health trackers, it's a little more nuanced, right? Because if people are really actually using the information that's being gathered to live a healthier life, you know, then they're I think there's a strong argument to be made for the value that that tracker is bringing to their lives. Now you add to that the fact that devices and I'm not an expert on this, but I've started doing some research, because I'm asked this question an awful lot. And it was my understanding that there are several models of Fitbit, for example, where you can effectively disable the wireless communication while it is on you, and it's collecting data, then you can take it off and enable the wireless, and then it'll sync up with whatever device it syncs up with. And my understanding is that the Oura ring is similar. And it was designed for that purpose. And there are a lot of people that I know, in fact, one of the guests on my podcast this season, who runs a digital detox retreat and is very aware of EMF. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And it's Indonesia, you should see the photos, it's amazing. Oh my God, he's firmly aware of the EMF issue. And he takes a lot of practical steps to minimize his exposure. And he still wears an Oura ring. And he has used it for his optimization process that he's using in Israel life. So, I do believe that with these fitness trackers, again, you know, use it smart. But if you really are making use of it to live a healthier life, then at least go into it, picking the one that emits the least amount of EMF. And you know, go into it, knowing what the risks are from that side of it. But then when it comes to other wearable tech, like the Apple Watch is, you know, especially some of the more advanced ones that also have cell phone modems in them. Anything that is encOuraging you to wear an EMF transmitter directly on your body for extended periods of time is something that I strongly recommend against that includes now I think, well, we're already seeing more of this, I believe it's going to become the kind of the next front in wearable technology that's actually popular are all of these glasses. I mean, Google Glass came out almost 10 years ago. And it was fun to poke fun at it because of how bad a product it was. But Facebook has glasses, snap has glasses. The consumer technology show in Vegas every year for some reason whose name is escaping me right now. This year, there were like a dozen glasses, products like that. And with these, they're all designed to be wireless. They're all obviously designed to be worn for extended periods of time. They're all designed to be situated very proximal to your brain and your eyes and a set of very important nerves in your head. And again, people need to realize, right, this is additive to their existing exposures. Hey, that's a great point. Yeah, so it's not just the risk of the glasses or the Air Pods. It's that risk in addition to everything else that you are currently being exposed to.

Ron Beres

Great point so we know technology isn't going away. You�ve gave numerous examples. And outside of some of these wearable devices, how can we use self-care to build a healthier relationship with technology?

R. Blank

Yeah. So, this comes down to what I call the two rules of EMF protection. Really, my father came up with them, but I kind of bring them like father like, son. Yeah, I made them catchier. And this is true. And this is what I tell people all the time, even when they're coming to me through my company, what products should I buy? The first line of defense are these two rules, which is minimize and maximize, minimize your use of EMF emitting technology. And you want to maximize the distance between that tech and your body when you do use it. Now, what do I mean by that, right? Minimize use, there's a lot of ways you can minimize your use of tech without forgoing the benefits and enjoyment of technology. So, examples are, you know, turning off your Wi Fi at night when you're not even using it. And that's one of the top tips I give, that's actually in general, one of the biggest single changes that people can make in terms of its impact on their life. In fact, the guy I was just telling you about AJ, who runs that digital detox retreat, he used his Oura ring to measure that. Once he started turning off his Wi Fi at night, he got 15 minutes more of REM sleep every night. And so, it was just tangible, how much of an improvement he realized immediately.

Ron Beres

That is significant because I think that 15 minutes of that kind of sleep, it takes like an hour or two to get to that zone, right? Isn't it's more than it's like a cycle, right isn't the middle of the cycle? So, you need three or four cycles. I'm not an expert on that. But we've had experts have talked about it, that makes sense, you get an extra cycle of sleep, basically.

Lisa Beres

The restorative sleep, it's that restorative sleep. So, when you're lacking that, right, it's that kind of just haggard feeling in the morning you slept, but you didn�t get that.

R. Blank

I mentioned him because he actually measured it and gave me his results. But I talked to people all the time where that's basically the first thing they try. And they're like, I slept better right away. And that works, even if you're in an apartment building. And there's other Wi Fi networks near you. Because and I'll explain this in a little bit, when I get to the second rule, the distance between you and your router is shorter than the distance between you and all of your neighbor�s routers.

Lisa Beres

Same with smart meters too, right? Because we live in a community, we've opted out of the smart meters and somebody was like, well, your neighbors have it. Well, their further away. It�s kind of like reducing that body burden and that load.

R. Blank

Turning off your Wi Fi at night. That is a great immediate tip. A good example of how you can minimize your use of tech. Another good example, is just not buying a piece of new smart tech. Right? I come from a long background in the tech industry. It was in California, which is like the heart of the tech industry. For a long time, I was under this hypnosis to where you know, the new thing came out. Oh, that's cool

Ron Beres

Oh, so you were standing in line with us? Yeah, is that what happened? Actually, that�s my brother to be honest, he doesn't miss a beat.

R. Blank

I know that feeling of just, oh, the new whatever it is, is out. I need to go get it. I mean, and I'm not talking about you have an iPhone 12. The iPhone 13 came out I'm talking about; you're wearing headsets and the air pods come out or you're not wearing anything. And the Apple Watch comes out. CES is the name of that conference. I was at CES and I saw Samsung and LG have these amazing smart refrigerators. They look so cool. And you just want it before you even sit back and think why do I need a smart refrigerator? Right? Yeah, that's the hypnosis that you get into on time without it.

Lisa Beres

Yeah, exactly. My dumb fridge. It's great. I love my dumb technology.

R. Blank

So, with all of these things, you know, really think about whether it's actually going to be adding value to your enjoyment of life. Is it something that you need? Is it something that you will actually enjoy? Or is it something that you're just kind of being told you should buy? And so smart fridges I think are a good example because they are increasingly popular and I have yet to hear a single compelling use case justifying their existence. Yeah, Nest thermostats. That's one where I have actually heard some good use cases, but I still like you know, think, is this something you really want? In fact, I just recently got an elliptical and a rowing machine I'm pointing because they're actually here in my office, but I got an elliptical on a rowing machine both come with Bluetooth, and there's no way of turning it off.

Lisa Beres

Is it the peloton brand? No. Oh, because the same thing with Peloton we looked into the treadmill and you have to have Wi Fi and we're hardwired. And we're like hmm, that would have to get a little separate tower to even just get the machine to turn on.

R. Blank

Well, I'm not even using any of the functionality enabled by the Bluetooth, right. I'm not like streaming live exercise experiences. I'm not using my phone to track anything, but I can't turn off the Bluetooth increasingly, technology is built this way. And sometimes it's frustrating right with some smart TVs. They make you feel like you can disable the Wi Fi like Do you hit the button and you're like, Oh, good, I disabled the Wi Fi. And it's still actually enabled.

Lisa Beres

Right? So, the point of that are is not that you might not be connected to the Wi Fi, but it's searching for that. Yes, danger is in. So, listeners, do you understand that? Same thing with your iPhone, right? So, do you advise, okay, if you're on cell service, make sure your Wi Fi is turned off, if your Wi Fi is on make sure you're and turning those things off when you're not using the other because otherwise, you're getting extra radiation.

R. Blank

So that is another great example of what I minimize, which is to turn your phone into airplane mode when you're not using it. But as you say, to actually get into the settings, right, because people tend to think of airplane mode as an all or nothing thing. But it really does give you the ability to turn on individual wireless connections and disable all the others. And you should really only be using the ones enabling the ones that you're actually using

Lisa Beres

Guys listening, just create new habits. I know some of this sounds like oh, you know, I don't want to put the effort in. I want my technology to do everything for me. But you know, we're hardwired home. Ron and I have no Wi Fi in our home, the only exposure is our cell phone, and we are constantly putting it in airplane mode throughout the day. You can still take pictures, I don't know if people know that you can still take pictures with your airplane mode on and so especially for your kids, please, you know, this is like we're going to get into that. In fact, let's get into that now. So, children are at the highest risk, which we know from this exposure due to their developing brain. So, are what are the effects of EMF on reproduction, children and the immune system function specifically?

R. Blank

Okay, so it's great question, there's a lot there to answer. So, I'll just try to break it down a little bit. Right, which is, so we'll start with reproduction. One of the areas where there's very strong, very, very strong science is on the impact of this type of exposure on sperm, which is, for instance, men who carry their phones in their front pockets have much lower metrics of sperm health than men who don't. And what's interesting there, I think many of your listeners will like to know this, not only is that one of the areas where the effect is realized, most quickly, it's one of the areas where when you stop the exposure, the healing process is realized most quickly, because sperm is regenerated approximately every 24 hours. So, when you stop carrying your phone in your pocket, you can actually make a really big difference in your sperm count pretty quickly. And it's not just phones and pockets, it's laptops and laps, those are the two biggest ones, but it's any exposure that is proximal to the gonads will have that outcome. Now when it comes to women, the reproductive cells are inside the body. And I say that because there's more natural shielding, right? Males, the gonads are external, they're exterior, and so they're more vulnerable to these forces. But when it comes to eggs, those are a bit more protected. The downside is that they won't heal, right, because you are born with all the eggs you are ever going to have. And so, if they get damaged, they get damaged. So many women experiencing infertility and couples struggling with that. I don't have the stats, like I can put a link to that in the show notes. But I know anyone listening like just think about that and what you can do heed our advice on this. So, when it comes to the impacts on eggs, I haven't seen a whole lot of science on that. But we do know what its impacts on cells and on DNA are particularly on cells that only have one strand of DNA. But what I was going to add to that is the impact in utero. There is research. For instance, there's a study out of Kaiser Permanente, that showed women who have greater levels of EMF exposure in utero had a 2.72 times greater risk of miscarrying than women who had less EMF exposure while their child was in utero. There's another study also out of Kaiser Permanente, that showed that women who had higher levels of EMF exposure when they were pregnant, their children had a notable increase in the risk of developing asthma by the age of 13. So, these types of impacts can be realized many years later. So, with men, you're really seeing strong outcomes, negative outcomes with sperm health. And when there's been a successful impregnation, you really start to see the impacts when it comes to issues of miscarriage risk, and then incidents of birth defects, both of which are obviously very undesirable outcomes. So that's as it relates to reproductive now, I think you wanted to get to where the child was actually born, are children to like children as they're grown up? how vulnerable they are? And you know, we see we all see it. Kids are constantly on these tablets now. Yeah. So, with children. First off, you have to sit back and realize, like, I painted this picture earlier in our conversation where, you know, think of your room. Now, think of your room when you were a child. The children today are being born into this world, right? So, their starting point is already a much higher degree of exposure. You know, society is on this path of deploying more and more and more of this stuff.

They are being exposed to so much more of this toxin, it's hard to fathom. And they're facing a lifetime of growing exposures because that's again, where we continue to deploy more and more of this stuff. But when it comes to children, there's several reasons why they are more vulnerable to damage from these exposures, one of which is that they are smaller. Now that's obvious, right? And it goes beyond this, but as a starting point, they are smaller. So, let me give you an example. If you have a phone going up to your head, and the radiation would penetrate an inch into your head, and then it penetrates an inch into a child's head, that covers a much greater percentage of area of that child's head in that child's body than it does in the adult children, their bodies are growing very rapidly, what that means is cells are dividing and multiplying very rapidly. So, any damage to the cell then multiplies throughout their body. And then as I say, you know, they're facing a lifetime of this stuff. So, any damage that they incur, they are going to have to cope, their bodies are going to have to cope and live with for a much longer period of time than if someone you know, my age were to have that same type of damage from an exposure. And there's one final thing I'll throw into this portion of our discussion, which I just want people to understand. Cellphone radiation is technically regulated. And there's a lot of reasons why that's not true. But let's just say for the sake, we're going to get into that, yeah, they are technically regulated. What people need to understand is cell phones are regulated, right? There's a maximum amount of radiation that a six foot to 220-pound man would absorb from that cell phone, and children. There's not a child I've ever met that comes close to six foot 220 pounds.

Ron Beres

Maybe Shaquille O'Neal was? We just don't know.

R. Blank

And what that means is a child is going to absorb a heck of a lot more of this radiation from the same cell phone that you would.

Lisa Beres

Same with chemicals are same with like all the toxic chemicals in our home. I mean, they're getting higher doses of exposure to that because of their tiny bodies. Yes. And it penetrates the blood brain barrier and children does it not?

R. Blank

Yes, EMF penetrates the blood brain barrier. There's a few of these tongue twisters I deal with all the time. And, voltage gated calcium channels is another. I just got through it, though. Yeah. But yes, EMF penetrates the blood brain barrier, it also leads to leakage of the blood brain barrier, which leads other toxins gives them a channel to traverse into the brain that impacts you know, kids and adults, but again, with kids, they're more vulnerable to this damage, and to have to live with the results of the damage.

Lisa Beres

Because technology is moving faster than humans are evolving. So, we haven't really evolved to, you know, handle this kind of technology, unfortunately.

R. Blank

That goes beyond just the physiological responses too. I mean, socially and psychologically. Yeah, you're Yeah, I mean, we see the challenges of coping with this degree of change, you know, every day,

Lisa Beres

Honestly, like, when I'm on my phone too much. I feel depressed, I feel a little down.

Ron Beres

What are you listening to?

Lisa Beres

Instagram, whatever. If I'm on social media, I have to make myself turn it off because there is that addicting quality, as we all know, but it's psychologically can really suck you into this kind of�

R. Blank

Oh, it's engineered to, it's literally engineered to. I mean, they have, on the first season my podcast we had on a psychologist who deals actually specifically with tech addiction. And he went into detail about how these things are engineered specifically to foster addiction and addictive behaviors. I don't know if you had a chance to see the, I believe it was called The Social Dilemma on Netflix. It was a really fantastic documentary, I'd strongly encOurage both of you to check it out Social Dilemma, and it's also about this issue about how these networks are engineered to because in a way, what I'm talking about is kind of off topic from what we're supposed to be talking about. But and another way, right, when you are fostering addictive behaviors with technology, you are fostering excessive EMF exposures. And so, I feel like it is an important aspect for anyone who is concerned about EMF health, to really kind of recognize and understand some of the ways that these experiences are really being engineered to maximize your exposure to EMF radiation, even though that may not be Facebook's goal. That is actually what they are doing.

Lisa Beres

That is so crazy. Yeah, people are they get like panicked if their phones like not even within a couple feet of them or they haven't seen their phone or they haven't checked their phone and I heard they modeled that after when the funds were designed originally after a slot machine. So, the dame right the ding the lights that's like a reward to your brain. Yeah, the dopamine triggers dopamine. Yeah. So interesting. You know, I wanted to mention this one thing before we go on to the next question. When Ron, at the top of the show asked you guys if you actually Use your phone for 17 minutes a day like duh! I'd love to meet someone who doesn�t? Because this was actually based on a study. And if you use your phone for just 17 minutes a day over a period of 10 years, it was associated with a 60% increase in brain tumor risk, especially on the side of the head where people use their phone. 17 minutes, guys, just think about how much more we are using that. I didn't want to leave that cliffhanger without telling people what that meant.

Ron Beres

Oh, yeah, getting from the problem, let�s get to some of the solutions. So, what are some easy and free ways our listeners can live healthier and reduce their EMF exposure starting today?

R. Blank

So, I'm glad you asked that, because it reminds me that I didn't actually finish the answer earlier, right, I thought I left a cliffhanger for people, I told him there's two key rules, there's minimize and maximize. And we went in, we explained minimize. And so, I'll just recount that real quick, right, you want to minimize your use of this technology, anything that emits EMF. And you can do it in a lot of ways that doesn't force any tradeoffs in your benefit or enjoyment of technology. So, turning off your Wi Fi at night, putting your phone into airplane mode, when you're not using it or disabling the specific wireless connections when you're not using those. Those are great examples of minimize. So then move into maximize maximizing the distance between your body and your technology when it is in use when you are using it. Now why does this matter? So much? Right? I'm talking about keeping your phone further away, keeping your laptop further away, keeping your Wi Fi router further away? Why does that matter so much? And the answer is because the power of EMF radiation diminishes exponentially with distance. So, if you have your phone and it's an inch from your body, and you take it two inches away, the power of your exposure has just been cut by 75%. And that continues with each doubling. And so, the more distance you can have between your body and whatever the source is, you're going to have a really big impact on that, on that exposure. And then on your cumulative exposure. Great examples of this. I think I may have already said them, but not carrying your phone in your pocket or your bra. This is one of the exposures that I believe for a whole lot of people are one of the, if not the biggest, actual single exposure in their lives.

Lisa Beres

I'm shocked that so many women carry phones in their bras, I just wouldn't want to do that. It doesn't sound comfortable. Get a purse, ladies. No. I'm kidding. But what about men? What can they do? If they're not going to put it in their pocket?

Ron Beres

Their wife can hold it right? Is that how that works?

Lisa Beres

Or, your Faraday cage?

R. Blank

Well, it's not just men, it's also you know, women at the gym, right? I mean, one thing you can do is to put it into airplane mode. So, when the tradeoff there is, you're not going to get calls or Facebook pings are whatever you're waiting for. But if you can live without that for whatever period of time, you have to carry it directly on your body, then do that, right. And so if you're using it for working out and you're trying to listen to music, right, I know a lot of these apps allow you to download the songs to the app, and then you can put it into airplane mode and then listen to your music. And then with the phone on your purse, you could do that with the podcast. Yeah, you could do with the podcast, too,

Ron Beres

Or is your alarm clock, if you have to have your phone for whatever reason, as your alarm clock right put on Airplane mode.

Lisa Beres

That�s a big one, I really can't stress that enough. Because especially the younger generation, they are just so used to using their phones as their alarm clock, which is fine, but they don't realize you can turn it on airplane mode/

R. Blank

That'll still work, there's a bunch of games that will still work. Netflix allows you to download a bunch of not all of their library, but there's a bunch of their library that you can download to your devices and then use it in airplane mode. There's a lot of experiences on your phones and tablets that will still work and on your smartwatches that will still work in airplane mode and you want to use airplane mode as much as possible. But then you asked what do men do and you know, women who don't have a separate purse or whatever, you know, that's where the role of good EMF protection products come in, right? The two key rules, the minimize, and the maximize. Those are the first line of defense; you should implement whichever ones that you can realistically in your life. You know, it just takes a little bit of thinking about what you know, each person is willing to do comfortably. But once you do, it turns out everyone has a few of these that they can start implementing right away with no trade off to any aspect of their life, right, we may just have to change.

Lisa Beres

That's a great point. We're not abandoning the convenience of technology; we're actually trying to just protect ourselves better and be more cognizant. I know like creating the habit of turning my phone on airplane mode took a while right 28 days to form a habit or whatever that number is. Do it for 28 days, you know be committed to it. And now when I don't have my phone in airplane mode, I panic Oh, I gotta turn it on Airplane mode. So just like any habit it takes a little while it'll feel inconvenient at the beginning but pretty soon that'll become your new norm turning off your router at night and I know we're going to get into your solutions are you have a store called shield your body that has so many of the solutions that work kind of talking about, do you have a solution for turning off your router like anything, right?

R. Blank

I don't try to provide every single solution, because there are stores that do that. So what you would want for that kind of use case is a kill switch, you can buy one of those on Amazon or a number of other stores and just plug or a timer, you know, like you would put on your lights, when you're going out of town. You just put it on your router, and you set it for, you know, maybe an hour if you normally go to sleep to give yourself a little leeway. And then right as you wake up, and it'll automatically do it every day. So that would be the product that I would recommend for that.

Lisa Beres

So important. So especially if you have kids, oh my gosh, get that thing turned off every night. So yeah.

R. Blank

But when it comes back to the example of phones and pockets, what are you going to do, right, so that's an example where let's say there's some aspect, you have to carry your phone for work, you don't have any other bags that you can put it in, and it has to be on because it's for work, right. So, you're the kind of person who wants to minimize your EMF exposure, but you're being put in this scenario, where you can't from this particular situation. So that's again, where good EMF protection products come in. And so that's, for instance, why I created our phone pouch, which is just a pouch for your phone, but the back is lined with radiation shielding and the front isn't. So, when you're carrying it on your belt or in your pocket, your phone can still communicate with the world. But it's deflecting a bunch of the radiation from your phone away from your body. And that's a good example of the role that EMF protection products can play. I strongly advocate that protection products should be the second line of defense that there's this whole set of behavioral changes because no EMF protection product, not mine, not anybody else's, are 100% effective, you know, in all scenarios, there's still going to be some exposure. So, the best way to cut that exposure is by actually getting rid of that exposure in the first place, or minimizing its power by getting it further away from you again in the first place. And then you need to have further reductions. That's where this type of protection comes into play.

Lisa Beres

Okay, and we know our bedrooms are the most important room in the home. That's where we recuperate and RFID restores. So, what are some ways we can create a sleep sanctuary I think we talked about some of them.

R. Blank

A great one is to not have your phone in your bedroom, you can keep your phone in your bedroom and put it into Airplane mode if you prefer. Although separate from the EMF issue, there's a whole bunch of studies that just having your phone near you actually increases your anxiety and will harm your sleep. But in from the EMF perspective, putting your phone into airplane mode, that's just as good as keeping it really, really far away from us. When it comes to EMF, turning off your Wi Fi at night. Even though that's not in your bedroom, it'll seep into your bedroom, obviously, for some people de energizing. And I know both of you are familiar with this, but de energizing the entire bedroom is really powerful way for people to experience. Because when you de energize, right, you're cutting the power to the whole room. Because there's EMF coming out of all the electrical wiring, you know how bad that is, or how much of it there is will depend on a whole lot of variables. And you won't know unless you're measuring. But there's a lot of people who just try, you know, the go to the they come to my site, they learned some stuff, they go to their circuit breaker and de energize their bedroom. And they report back that their sleep has been fantastic. When it comes to alarm clocks, right. There's a whole bunch I have one next to my bed. I think it costs $13 on Amazon with free shipping, right? And it runs off of a single double A battery. And it has an alarm and it has a light and that I can turn on. So, it's not just not using your phone in bed. There's also a bunch of research showing that you should actually stop, you know, sooner than that, depending on how strict.

Lisa Beres

The blue the blue light, right?

R. Blank

Yeah, well blue light is part of it. And blue light is a form of EMF, it's on the EM spectrum. But it's often considered kind of separate from EMF, because it has wide acceptance and EMF maybe just as final exam, yes, but it's not just the blue light. It's also the lower frequency forms of EMF that you're exposed to. When you're using your technology. Again, it has impacts on your endocrine system and your melatonin production on your attention and how much focus you have and so on and so forth. Now, you know, I make exceptions myself, for instance, I do something that a lot of people in my industry or your advocates don't move or say I shouldn't do, which is you know, I read my Kindle at night. I keep it in airplane mode, but I read a book to go to bed and I don't feel guilty about that. I feel that's actually a healthy habit.

Ron Beres

You�re like an EMF Renegade.

Lisa Beres

No, that's good. Because for lot of people, the book helps them fall asleep actually.

R. Blank

Yeah and it�s a Kindle is so didn't mean to use a specific brand, any good e reader, but the Kindle is such a great you know, I can have like 30 bucks and flip through them and not lose my place and change the font size and all that kind of stuff. So, it's such a convenient way to read books and I like reading books to fall asleep. I like that reading books as a part of my life. But I do make sure that I can airplane mode when I go to bed, and that's an example of how people can make these, you know, you make these decisions for yourself and your life, what works for you? What are you willing to give up? What do you in fact, happy to give up? You'll be for people who bring their phone to bed. And you're listening to this and you're like, maybe I should try? I don't know, I'm afraid. I guarantee you. I know the first couple nights will be hard. Like, you'll just have this poll to Yeah, what am I going to do? I'm laying here, how am I going to fall asleep. But I guarantee you within just two or three nights, you're going to be so much happier that that phone is not with you. It is really shocking. I mentioned earlier in this episode, digital detox, I went on a self-crafted digital detox, I didn't go to a fancy retreat in Indonesia, I rented a house, not too far from where I live, there's no cell service, and the house didn't include any internet. And we went for the weekend, three days, you know, the first couple hours, you know, we get there. And I'm like, Well, let me turn on Netflix. Oh, wait, what I can't do that. It was just a few hours later, I was getting into it, you know, it's on the beach, you're hearing, you're hearing the waves, and you start to preach, and you're just hanging out. And the impact was so intense. I really strongly advocate that people try mini detox as much as they can practically, you know, given their life limitations, because I think it'll be very enlightening to people, the changes that they will encounter confront in themselves, and then how they'll feel coming out of it. Even when you go back to having a cell connection and enjoying your Wi Fi, your approach to all of it will be different. And then the ways in which you will feel freer to actually reduce your exposure to EMF, it'll just be much easier. It's like the paths will open up to you.

Lisa Beres

You'll want to do it instead of feeling like you have to you'll want to. Yeah, I could not agree more during COVID, Ron and I used to well, pre COVID, we always went to the gym, that's just our form of workout, we went all the time, you know, they have Wi Fi in there. And of course, all of the electronic equipment. And after COVID when it closed, we started hiking more we live in a really nice area with lots of hills and the oceans not too far. And so, we started we're like, are you kidding me? Why weren't we doing this earlier? I mean, we pay to live here in this beautiful area, why aren't we hiking more, we were kind of forced to and it was a really good thing that came out of that for us. Because oh my gosh, we're going to get into grounding. And the importance grounding, that connection with nature cuz the gym is that kind of noise. It is that like pollution noise that you can hear in the background, that kind of like buzzing stuff is always on the fluorescent lights, the you know, all of that. And so, the peace and the quiet as we're going on these hikes. And we're paying attention to this flower that just bloomed and these new bunnies that we met and this hummingbird and this beautiful butterfly and the hawks that come around and all this wildlife that's always been there, and we just really never appreciated it or stop and slow down enough to really connect and understand it. I mean, Ron, and I can tell you every little thing now we go on the walk were like, oh, yeah, that bunny lives over there. And there's the you know, and we know it.

Ron Beres

That�s Benny, hey Benny.

Lisa Beres

Yeah, we have names for them. And doves and all of that, and all that it's really cool. That has really become our form of, you know, this nature connection that we didn't have before. You know, you might think, oh, you know, I go out in nature. I said that to Oh, yeah, go out, you know, go to Hawaii once a year or whatever. No, no. Right. And, and really making it a part of your week, if not your day, and that fills you, I feel so different. You're getting the vitamin D from the sunshine, you're getting the oxygen, the fresh air, you're getting the negative ions, there's something else magical and spiritual that happens. That is really kind of I can't even explain what it is. But it's something that really centers and ground you that if you're feeling stressed because I have gone on that walk sometimes really frazzled with something that's going on. And by the time I get back, it's all gone. It's just gotten it doesn't feel that important anymore. So, I would really highly encOurage that for anybody.

Ron Beres

What a really great tip from both of you. You know, we kind of teased this earlier, but aren't tech safety regulations designed to protect us are?

R. Blank

No, they are not.

Ron Beres

Oh, wow. Okay. Can you elaborate your answer?

R. Blank

First thing, I mean, we're talking obviously, specifically about EMF, right? I mean, because there's a whole bunch of ways in which tech is insufficiently regulated to protect our lives and our safety and our privacy. But when it comes to emf in particular, first thing people need to understand is that there's a whole set of EMF exposures that have no regulations at all. We know that for instance, you know, cell phone, radiation emissions are regulated, you know, but how much radiation you're exposed to from the electrical wiring in your home is not regulated, how much radiation you're exposed to from the power line in front of your home is not regulated. There is a whole bunch of this stuff that is not regulated at all. It's literally not, that's just the starting point. Now you get to questions like cell phone regulations, which is a really popular area of discussion, right? Because they say, Oh, we regulate these things, right, you're protected. That's why cell phones are safe. And the fact is, they're not. So as a starting point, right, cell phones are technically right allowed to emit a certain amount of radiation. that limit is based off of not burning you EMF with enough power can burn you, it can heat your tissue and it can burn you. That's exactly how a microwave oven works. Because microwave ovens emit microwave EMF radiation with such power, it actually cooks your dinner for you. Cell phones use very similar forms of EMF but just with much less power than a microwave oven. And that safety limit is there to prevent you from getting burned. In other words, it's there to prevent that immediate term damage. That is the only thing they are designed to protect you from.

Lisa Beres

The SAR, right? The specific absorption rate, which is what yeah, the specific absorption rates versus the information carrier waves, and the pulses, right?

R. Blank

And again, all of the stuff that we've been talking about all the health effects that we've been talking about this entire discussion, those come from longer term exposures that isn't immediate damage, hold your phone up to your head and then get cancer, right, that takes time. That takes years, it can take decades. But none of the regulations are built to protect you against those exposures. They're only designed to protect you against immediate term exposure. As you mentioned, the unit of measurement for the regulations is SAR specific absorption rate. I keep talking about, you know, the amount of radiation that a cellphone emits is regulated, that's not what's regulated, it's how much your body absorbs is right? It's a you it's a measurement of absorption, not emissions. That's the basis of these regulations. But the thing is, as I said earlier, it's not about how much radiation you absorb. It's about how much radiation a model of a six foot to 220-pound man would absorb. I don't know what Ron's full body looks like.

Ron Beres

Six ten, R.

R. Blank

Two of us or all three of us are smaller than that model. And that means we would absorb more of that radiation, then what the regulations are set to Allow. Yeah, and then the little child, the baby, then there's another aspect, right? When people in the United States, there's the Federal Communications Commission, that's who sets these cellphone emission standards. People know that cell phone radiation is regulated by the FCC. But what they think they hear is, oh, the government tests these products, and make sure that that's all they emit. But that's not the case, the FCC sets the standard. But then the companies hire the testing, they go to a lab, they say here's some money, test my new iPhone, and that means they get to design the test. And they self-report the numbers. And in almost every instance, where these are attempted to be validated by third parties, the numbers are much, much, much higher. There's a famous incident out of France, it was dubbed phone gate, where the government actually tested it was 300 300. And some different models of cell phones. 90% of the models they tested emitted more radiation than they said they did. And several models emitted more than was legally allowed and ended up being recalled from the market. That's what happens when you allow for this self-reporting system. It's self-policing.

Lisa Beres

I think this podcast could be called that because it's every industry are it's the fragrance industry. It's the flame retardant industry. It's the chemical industry, the plastic, and we hear this from so many guests that we interview and scientists and we are naively trusting these regulatory agencies to take their word for it, when in fact, people don't dig that deep and understand all the stuff that you're explaining. Even though we get things pulled from the market, 20, 40 years later, DDT and asbestos and lead and tobacco and all of these things, we still kind of don't learn the lesson.

R. Blank

People like to believe that if something is available for sale, it is safe. And as you see time and time again, across multiple industries, that's just not true. And in fact, earlier, the question of air pods came up. And I can't point to a single study that shows you that using air pods will increase your chance of developing cancer. And why? Because they've just released the Air Pods, they didn't study him for years and years and years and figure out you know, how much ever-increasing cancer is there? Now, you and I, we can sit here and we can draw conclusions based on the decades of research that does exist into similar technologies and similar exposures. But that's all by way of saying this stuff is released into the market without any long-term testing into its health risks and health impact.

Lisa Beres

It makes me think of something else going on in the world right now. But I won't go down that road.

R. Blank

So, yeah, that's how cell phones were deployed. And the studies came later. That's how Wi Fi was deployed, it was deployed. And the studies came later. And we're now sitting here at a point in time where we have those studies on cell phones and Wi Fi, but we don't have them on Air Pods. And we're, you know, being asked to believe that there's somehow safer when there's absolutely no reason. Slightly different exposures in different parts of your body, but for also different durations. And so, the actual variables will switch around. But really, there is no level of this stuff is human made EMF, there is no level of it, that is safe, right, and I'm not calling obviously not calling to ban technology, I just want people to understand that there is no level of this that is safe, every little bit more that you are exposed to increases your risk to broad number of systems in your body doesn't mean you'll develop every disease that I'm talking about, or that we cover and overpowered. But it increases your risk for all of them. And over time, more risk you have the more different things, the odds that you get some negative health impact from this stuff, it really starts to add up, there is no safe level of any of these types of exposures, every additional exposure carries increased risk. And I just want people to be aware of that and to start making decisions in their personal relationship with technology in light of that information.

Lisa Beres

That's so true. You know, William Rea talked about the rain barrel and the body burden, and how you know, as we kind of go through life, while our bodies like a rain barrel, and we bring in all of these toxic substances, and you know, it's a little bit here, it's a little fragrance here, it's a little pollution from the air, and maybe there's arsenic in your water, and maybe there's VOCs in your home, and maybe there's flame retardants in your bedding. And then all of a sudden, you've got all of this electromagnetic radiation that you're being exposed to. And that's when the barrel cracks, and you start to get this initial maybe short term, like acute symptoms, maybe it's an allergic response, maybe you're noticing more allergies. And then later, you know, down the road, these leads to bigger things like cancer and diseases, and then infertility and reproduction disorders and all of that. That was my journey. When I got sick from toxins in my home, I had just too much body burden, and it cracked, my barrel cracked. And it was a blessing because it led me down this road. And you know, really educating people on the importance of reducing your body burden. And like you said, you don't have to do everything. But you definitely have to take action today. We live in a really, really toxic world where stuff is self-policed, and not regulated, like it should be. And if you're listening, and you're not being proactive right now, I hope you feel inspired to make those little changes. It doesn't have to be an overhaul, you don't have to go completely hard-wired tomorrow, but you know, do those little things, your intuition is probably whispering to you. So, listen to that. And then take those little actions.

R. Blank

Here, here, here.

Lisa Beres

That�s my little tangent, you know, I'm living proof of that. So, and you know, it's a daily practice, you got to just do it. Just tell you, but you got to keep doing it. regulatory change, like everybody's talking about 5G, everybody's so nervous about 5G Towers going up near their house, what can we do? How can we take action in our communities? And how can we protect yourself that way?

R. Blank

Okay, when it comes to 5G, there's a couple of different characteristics that define it. So 5G, for those who don't know, actually, what the term means it's the fifth generation of cellphone network. That's what 5G stands for. By the way, it is not the same as a five gigahertz Wi Fi router. There are some people who, you know, because they're dual band, Wi Fi routers, and they think that a 5G router, that's not 5G, what we're talking about with 5G, the fifth generation of cell phone networks, that's a new generation of how cell phones are communicating with each other, started in the cities, it's rolling out more and more areas. And one of the characteristics of 5G that makes it distinct from prior generations is that it's operating on this new segment of the electromagnetic spectrum. Your listeners will recall that we talked about that earlier in this interview, right? EMF exists on a spectrum. And there's radio wave and microwave, which is where wireless communication happens. There's a new segment of that spectrum that has been allocated to the cellphone carriers. In order to communicate, these go up into what are called millimeter waves. They're very high energy. And there's a lot of concern that because these are a whole new set of exposures, that it could possibly be more dangerous. Now, my opinion is that not more, that part of it is not more dangerous. It's just dangerous, right? Because with every different segment of the spectrum, right, there's a whole different set of health outcomes. But with each segment, you can see different diseases kind of concentrate. So, when it comes to for instance, the low frequency powerline radiation, leukemia is very tightly associated with that there's other health outcomes but just as one leukemia tends to appear more as a negative health out of exposure to these low frequencies. When it came to radio, melanoma turned out to be one of these diseases where you see a concentration of appearance. With all of these different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, you see a broad range of negative health outcomes, you also see concentration of specific negative health outcomes. And I believe that's what we're going to see, when it comes to the 5G frequencies, that is certainly no reason to think it's safe. And odds are, we'll see the same thing happen with these new frequencies that we've been seeing over 100 years now with these older frequencies. So, what is most concerning about 5G to me, and this steps back, and I forget exactly how I brought it up earlier in the interview. But I talked about it's the proliferation of these devices is exactly why we needed 5G. And when I say we needed 5G, I don't mean the three of us, I mean, modern society, I'm fine with a landline. Yeah, exactly. That's because the 4g network was getting congested, there was too much traffic. And the network was not engineered to carry more traffic. And so they needed to engineer a new network from the ground up, in order to accommodate the sheer amount of data and the sheer amount of devices that need to connect to the network and the sheer amount of data that those devices will be sending back and forth, and back and forth. So, they may be selling it to you that you can download a movie in eight milliseconds. But that's not really why they built it, they didn't build it for that they build it because, you know, there's, as you're driving to work, there's going to be 100, Tesla's, each of which is sending terabytes of data back and forth along this network every day. And more and more and more things like that. And so that's kind of what I'm talking about here, which is it was built to support a massive explosion in the number of devices that can connect to the network, each one of those new devices is going to be another source of EMF in our lives, right. And it is additive to our existing exposures, which are already overpowered. That's what is concerning about 5G to me. And I feel like that gets a little lost some of the time when people talk about, oh, it's millimeter wave or 60 gigahertz. I mean, it's concerning. But it's only concerning because, you know, if it were 5.4 megahertz, it would also be concerning, right? Because these frequencies are concerning. And now they're talking about 6G. Well, of course, I mean, it's not going to stop.

Lisa Beres

Yeah, the data is just getting more and more and more, right. The usage.

R. Blank

It has been on average about every 10 years, you need another generation of the network in order to support its development. Now that could change. It's not a fixed rule. But it has been about every 10 years.

Lisa Beres

Yeah, that probably will. Wow. Well, you corroborated what, Oram Miller said. We had him on 5G Episode early on our show. And he said the same thing. R., he was like, everybody's so nervous about 5G Because it's gotten a lot of media attention. And that's good. I guess in a way it's brought attention to this whole topic. So, I think that's actually the thing people who weren't even paying attention are now. But he still said even with 5G, your biggest worry is your cell phone. Yes. Don't worry so much about 5G, about the things that you can't control.

R. Blank

Oh, that is a great lesson because a worrying about things out of your control. Not only is it futile, it's actually self-defeating. Because worry will reduce your health creates anxiety, create stress, but also from that perspective, it's good advice. The other side is that there is so much that you can do to improve your health and to reduce your EMF. That's one of the characteristics of EMF that distinguishes it from so many other toxins. Not all of them, but so many of them, which is you can personally make huge changes in your exposure instantly. You know, if you live in a place with lead in the water, there's a limited amount you can do antibiotics out of the poultry. Right? Very limited. Give purging the oceans of Yeah, be vegan. Yeah, no, but pesticides in the vegetables, right?

Ron Beres

Yeah. Right. Yeah, sure.

R. Blank

Grow your own. I know there's solutions. But you can't do that overnight. There's so many of these toxins in the world. And it's good to be aware of them. And there are some that you can make changes to but there's very few where you can have such a huge impact on your own personal exposure to the toxin so quickly without spending any money. It's all about your behavior.

Lisa Beres

I have a $10, it's a $10 landline. That's what I have. I got it at Radio Shack and that's my office phone. I want to give this tip to listeners; I think I've said it and then all episode but I want to say it again. Because I know a lot of people have anxiety about putting their phone in airplane mode at night. What if there's an emergency? What if I miss a call? Call your phone company, get an inexpensive emergency line, like $10 a month and they give you like 10 minutes you can call out but you can get unlimited incoming calls. That's your solution to abandon keeping your phone on at night.

Ron Beres

Because if your power goes out. It still works. Yeah, your landline.

Lisa Beres

And cordless phones because a lot of people are still are confused. They don't think cordless phones are a threat. But they are also.

R. Blank

Oh no, they can be bigger actually within the house, they can be an even bigger source of EMF than a cell phone depending on again, how things are situated. And because some of those base stations are transmitting nonstop.

Lisa Beres

Right, right. So, get those cordless phones out of your house, we used to have, like 15-20 years ago. Oh my god, same thing. After measuring. We were shocked that it was the biggest polluter in our home. And Ron was working next to it all day. Very convenient. And I was sleeping really bad then. I mean, there was a lot of like health implications. You were very like high anxiety and stress at that time, and I wasn't sleeping well. And we had cordless phones.

Ron Beres

It was a long time ago, obviously when that was more than a long, long time ago. But on top of that, not only was at the office desk phone, it was the phone in our kitchen, which was underneath our bedroom that was given off, you know, high levels of pulses, as well. But getting into reducing stress and all these sorts of things. We did an episode, episode number 15 actually, with Clint Ober. R., can you share with our listeners, the benefits and hazards of grounding?

R. Blank

Okay, great, great question. So grounding, and I'm sure both of you are well acquainted with this, and a lot of my customers use grounding. So first off, I mean, there's two terms, there's grounding, and there's earthing. And they're used interchangeably a lot of time. And sometimes you don't know actually, which one people are talking about, the actual process of grounding is bringing your body into contact with the earth, the earth itself. So that means not pavement, but like soil, or grass, or sand, in contact with meaning no shoes. So, we're touching a tree, right? These are all ways in which you can bring your body into contact with the earth. And in doing so you're actually becoming part of this larger circuit of the planet. And when you do that, it's one of these things where when you even try to say technically and scientifically you end up sounding spiritual. But what circle of life? Yeah, exactly. But it come a tree hugger, you become part of the circuit of the planet, right? That No, actually you are becoming part of the planet that has numerous benefits, which include right discharging, as you said earlier, Lisa, just charging the positive ionization, the accumulation of positive ionization in your body, which is one of the impacts of EMF exposure. It's also a result of other types of toxin and stress exposures. But by coming into contact with the earth, direct contact, you are discharging that, right, that then dissipates accumulation of free radicals, it helps address oxidation in your body, there's a whole bunch of these stress factors that you can measure as improving when you properly ground into the planet itself, then there are people who can't do that, right, a lot of people who live in cities or because of their schedules, or whatever. And so, they buy products to help them ground at home, grounding mats and grounding sheets. Now, there are ways in which, and I know in your BVI community, proper use of this stuff is very important. And you know, when it's designed specifically for the person that so for instance, you know, I know of one instance, where a woman had a very high kind of scenario of electric field exposure with her computer, and part of the comprehensive solution to reducing that was using a grounding wristband that would help while she was working on the computer, it would discharge these fields away from her body, right? It is an important tool in the toolkit when properly utilized by an expert. But there's a lot of people who are just like I hear, grounding is good. Let me go buy a grounding mat and start doing it. And the issue there, for those who don't know, I assume many of your listeners do. But for those who don't know, what that does, is you are plugging into the ground outlet in your house in the United States or North America, that's that third prong around one at the bottom of your plug, that's the ground. And so, you plug your mat into the ground, and the ground is eventually kind of plugged into the earth. And so, it's supposed to emulate the impact and the effect of grounding into the earth. The issue is that the grid itself has a whole bunch of other things going on. And one of them that people are very familiar with his dirty electricity, right. And when you have grounding products plugged into the ground of an outlet, if there is electricity flowing again along your grounding conductor that is going to flow to your grounding product and expose you to that. There's another force which I learned about quite recently from Andrew McAfee, who I know has done some instruction at the building Biology Institute, and does EMF consulting in North Carolina, called ground current and that is when there is current flowing on the ground and conductor that will also flow to your mat. And ground current, the threshold of harm from ground current is one micro amp. Which, by way of saying it's a really, really, really low threshold at which this stuff has been shown to be associated with increased risk of leukemia. Again, as I pointed out, I said earlier, right, the low frequency is associated with leukemia. And this was research performed by the US government that came to these conclusions and published. So most recently, our most recent product at SYB is called the NCB or nuisance current blocker. And it was developed by Andrew McAfee. And what it allows you to do is to plug BNC B into an outlet, and then to plug your grounding product into the NCB. And that still allows you to get to take the advantage benefits of grounding, it blocks the contact current and the dirty electricity from reaching your grounding product. So, it's reducing your exposure to these hazards that you would otherwise have if you are grounding directly into your building.

Lisa Beres

Wow, great tip. Right?

R. Blank

And we have a lot more information on the website, because I know this is kind of new information for a lot of people. So, we have a lot of kind of supporting information to explain contact current.

Lisa Beres

That is so important. Yeah, because that's the first I've heard of that. Although, physiologically, I've experienced that with the grounding pad where Ron, you know, I was like something's not right. I mean, he calls me the canary. Anyway, yeah, I'm going to be the most sensitive to everything, that something's not right. With this grounding pad. It's making me feel like more stimulated, not less.

R. Blank

And it's also an issue with certain types of EMF protection, because there's certain types of EMF protection, particularly in high electric field environments, where you are supposed to ground it. So that would include for instance, a wall painted with why shield paint, or an EMF protection canopy. These are two common examples where you're actually they you're supposed to ground it to discharge the electric field that would otherwise be swimming. But when you do it, again, the same issues up here of the contact, current and the dirty electricity, and so forth. And many dirty electricity filters are only designed to clean the dirty electricity off of the hot and the neutral, not the ground. And so that's again, where the NCP comes into play.

Ron Beres

So how much is this adapter that you actually add to any grounding device? What's the typical price point?

R. Blank

So right now, it is $300. We are about to launch the Pro. So, the one that's out now is called the NCB. And that's basically it works on a single product you can put unplug it and plug it into a different product. But at a given point in time, it can only deal with one product. We're about to release the NCB Pro, unlike the NCP, anyone could buy and use the NCB. The NCP pro needs an expert to install it. So, we're finalizing the materials to help train people and how it works and how to use it. But that can be installed by an expert. And then that can filter from the grounded conductor for the whole house. Again, I need an expert to be able to install that one. And that one will be about $400.

Lisa Beres

Oh, wow, that's great. Oh my gosh, I'm going to put links to that. And speaking of all of this amazing, these products, where can people take action, get involved or learn more about your work are and those solutions that we've discussed to protect themselves?

R. Blank

Yes, thank you. So, my website is www.shieldyourbody.com that shield your body, all one word, dot com. And when you get there, you'll see we have a great catalog of products, we also have a tremendous amount of free educational information right there at the top of the homepage is the guide to the five top tips that you can start to reduce your own exposure. And you can get that right there at the top of the homepage. But we have a ton more information. In fact, right now we're just starting the process of trying to reorganize the website so that it'll make it easier because we just have so much information, it's become kind of hard for people to find unless they're using Google. But there's a huge amount of information there. That's also where you can find links to my healthier tech podcast. If people prefer YouTube, I mean, we're on all the social platforms to shield your body. But on YouTube, that is I'd say our best in terms of the content. And so, it's www.youtube.com/shieldyourbody and we have all our webinars archived up there. We have lots of educational videos, but there and we have a ton of information if people are interested in learning more on this subject. We have a lot of it for free.

Lisa Beres

All its scientific information. I know you are the real deal. Your father, the pioneer. I mean just I heard about him for so many years. All the incredible work that he's done now we met his son.

Ron Beres

What a good boy.

Lisa Beres

R., thank you so much for being with us today.

R. Blank

Oh, thank you both so much for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity to meet you and to communicate with your audience.

Lisa Beres

Oh, thank you so much. You have so much passion and knowledge to share with the world and we thank you for making this world a brighter and safer place for us all to enjoy. Friends. If you'd like to learn more about shielding yourself from harmful EMF�s run, don't walk over to shieldyourbody.com to shop cell phone cases they have consultations, everything from bed canopies and baby blankets and so much more. They've got you and your family covered.

Ron Beres

And they are offering a scholarship which encOurages the participation of underrepresented communities in the area of building health, safety and education by covering the tuition costs of the building biology advocacy program from the building Biology Institute, total value $965. You can learn more at shield your body dot com forward slash scholarship. We will also include this in all the resources we discussed in the show notes at www.RonandLisa.com/Podcast.

Lisa Beres

Yes, head there and guys, stay tuned next week and get ready to uplevel your health. See you then. Bye, everyone.

Ron Beres

Bye everyone.

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